Thank you, just read my post again and relised it sounded really wrong My reason for going for a Bullmastiff was I have 3 children (8 and under) and they rate the highest as a family pet over most breeds inclding labrodors and staffs only down side is the drool, lol

 

Yeh,my vet also said that. He said for such big dogs they are very,very good with children. One of the best family protectors aswell.

 

yes, i just registered as i was told of this post.

The fact that your vet says its true does not make it so im afraid. When i first got my DDB rescue dog, he had a lump on his shoulder, the first vet told me that i MUST have him operated on and have the lump removed...so i saw a different vet, who inspected it and said 'dont worry, its just a cyst, just keep squeezing it and it will go'
Well i did that and he no longer has any lumps - and not only did i save myself a fortune in vet bills by not having him operated on, but more importantly he did not have to be put under anesthetic for a operation that was not needed. I could tell you plenty of other stories too about how vets get it SO wrong!
Many vets will also promote certain brands of dog foods - but many of these contain additives, preservatives, colourings and flavourings - not good for the dog - but they get comission on selling it!!!!

Anyone with half a brain who does a google search will see that there is no such thing as a Welsh Mastiff (or whatever this breeder wants to call it). And as you have pointed out - he is just a 'cross' - and before anyone says any breed was originally created from crossing - thats true - but they were bred to do a certain job - not bred just to con people and make money!

Please dont be offended by my post, I am not condeming you, just breeders like this who take advantage of people in order to make money from selling on cross breeds (of which there are plenty in rescue!)

My own DDB was from a rescue and there are PLENTY of mastiff breeds in rescue - all for a price of £100-£200 (including puppies)- the point i am trying to make is - it matters not what you paid for him - some of these breeds sell for £1000-£2000 but still end up in rescue - Its how you rehome that matters.
If they were decent breeders they would have made you sign a contract to say that they must take back their stock if you can no longer care for him. Then they would have neutered him before re-homing him. But then if they were decent breeders they would not be producing these crossbreeds and making up silly names for them

 

340 tke no notice its ur dog think u shud no wt it is lol i think them 2 newbies are the same person under diff names who just jealous and dnt want u to sell the dog

 

Well ok.

To make this advert fairer on potential buyers then I will now advertise him as a MASTIFF CROSS PUPPY.

Same dog,same temperment,same needs,same price

 

Temperament means everything to our family which im sure we will see in the flesh on sunday. I personally dont care if he's qualdruple crossed crossed or whatever at the end of the day its a personal choice.

Simon will see you sunday

 

Thanks for letting me know,see you on sunday

 

i would like to correct a few suppositions on here .molosser mum is not bullmastiff_lover

i know that because i know molosser mum..and she certainly isn't me
i think you will find i signed my last post .my name is deborah thomas and i am the welfare co-ordinator for uk bullmastiff rescue
our web site you can find here
http://www.bullmastiffrescueandadoption.co.uk/

both molosser mum and myself came to this board because a member of this board posted what you had written on a rescue dog forum and frankly we were appalled
both molosser mum and myself live in wales and working in rescue we have come across the breeder who produces the so called welsh mastiffs before.

whatever your vet says i suggest you carry out what i suggested in my initial post and contact the kennel club to see whether this breed exists or not ..that way you will know for certain

why were we appalled ??
1) because you were suggesting that the dog was something it was not
2) that you were advertising a dog for sale on a car forum.
3) that you are considering selling this poor wee mite to anyone without vet references or a home check .
4) that you are asking silly money for a cross breed ....who you have no clue as to what he is made up of (as there definately no such thing as a welsh mastiff ) and as such you have no idea what kind of temperament this young dog will have as he matures .a potential time bomb in the wrong hands

It may interest you to know that in Wales bullmastiffs were known as "Gafaelgi", meaning "holding dog" or "grip dog". This reflected the bullmastiff's original purpose as a kind of catch dog for two-legged prey such as poachers. Bullmastiffs were originally very popular in England as game-keepers' watchdogs.
unfortunately for you ..i can with absolute conviction assure you that your dog is not a bullmastiff either .i know this because they only come in 3 colours ..red ,brindle or fawn ..as your dog is black and has a head that looks like a cross labrador i can say with some authority that he is not of bullmastiff breeding.
i can also assure you that the spanish mastiff is not a registered breed with the kennel club
this is a link to the spanish mastiff
Spanish Mastiff Information and Pictures
as you can see from the photo the spanish mastiff is a little of a heinz 57 variety itself so i imagine it would be a long way off as being recognised as a registered breed over here .
i think maybe your a little confused there is a spanish dog that in january of this year was anounced to be elevated off the import register to the breed register in this country ..but even then that is not forth coming until january 2008
and as you can see from this link
Dog Club - Spanish Water Dog gallery
the spanish water dog is definately not a mastiff breed

so go ahead sell your labrador cross for silly money ...if there is someone out there foolish enough to pay that sort of money for a cross breed of very dubious breeding then ..good luck to you

to the bullmastiff owner ..your bullie is gorgeous..i too have a brindle girl and a red boy ..both absolutey wonderful companions.your boy won't reach full maturity untill he is at least 3 years old ..this is a very slow maturing breed ...but so worth waiting for ..good luck with him
by the way i wouldn't advise getting another male as bullmastiffs can become very dominant over other males as they mature ..best to get a female friend as a playmate

pics of my two
henson age 2



nomsi age 7

 

I've been slagged off here before for saying that a car forum is the wrong place to advertise a dog.

I know nothing about Mastiffs but consider myself a dog person having had large & giant breeds for 20+ years. I'm afraid that the 2 'newbies' are absolutely right in my book. 2 entire males together can be bad news. Not knowing the breeding can be a time bomb and as for vets knowing anything other than how to make money. My vet is 25 miles away because I don't trust the local ones. Choosing the right vet is as difficult as choosing the right breed.

Flame suit on

 

thats a lovely looking pup mate, im sorry to hear that you cant keep him, good luck with finding him a new home


here is a pic of my english bull mastiff- Deebo

 

Jesus !! What are you being so aggresive towards me for !

I never said the puppy was a pedigree-from the outset i stated he is a 'cross'!

Why do you keep going on about the Kennel club ? I don't care whether they recognise the welsh mastiff as a breed or not,if I was trying to sell him as a pedigree when he isn't then that's fair enough,but i'm not.

And as for being appalled at me advertising him on a car forum-it may interest you to know that I have advertised him in my local pet shop,vets and local newspaper-it just so happens that i'm a member of this forum and have advertised him on here aswell

To be honest,for someone who works with rescue dogs etc you seem to be doing your best at stopping me from selling him to a good loving home which is only going to harm him more in the future

If I was a breeder trying to con people and make loads of money then I could see your point !

Maybe you should take more of an interest in people who are selling Pitbulls to people with kids etc and do your best to stop them being sold

 

its your dog mate you do what you want with her
the problem nowadays is somebody always knows best and like getting on there high horse{or mastiff}.take no notice and pm them telling them to.... off.and get them selves a scooby.

 

Ok, I am another newbie who has just come across this post because I googled Welsh Mastiffs because I was also intrigued by the Gafaelgi claims. Firstly let me say I have nothing against cross breeds and do not rate the Kennel club as the be all and end all authority on good dogs but I'd just like to add an important point about why it DOES matter what type of "mastiff cross" your dog is. You will probably know that at this kennel that claims to breed "Welsh Mastiffs" they breed Rotties and Presa Canarios (which are NOT Spanish Mastiffs and I am sick of comming across ads and websites of breeders in this country calling their Presas Spanish Mastiffs when they are very different breeds with different temperments), anyway don't you think it is highly likely that these Welsh Mastiffs are a cross of their other dogs since the "standard" the website provides for the Welsh Mastiff is an absolute joke, if you want to see what a proper breed standard looks like here is the one for the Spanish Mastiff proper Spanish Mastiff Breed Standard which by the way is not a Heinz 57 but a fully recognised by the FCI and an established breed in other countries that is totally different to the Presa Canario. Safe to say the breeder where you got your rare "welsh mastiff" was lying to you and this is dangerous because they most likely used their Presas and Rotties in their creating these Welsh Masiffs and don't get me wrong I love Rotties (I have a rottie cross myself) but some do have temperment problems. Even well bred Rotties can have a strong agressive streak in them and if you read up about the Presa you will see they are similar in many ways. They are much sharper dogs than the Old English Mastiff and they require a lot more in terms of exercise and leadership to prevent behavioural problems. Probably more than even the Bullmastiff since they are not such laid back dogs. They are true working dogs and need experienced ownership. The breeder who sold you this pup was massively irresponsible to sell such a powerful mixed breed dog which may be sweet and lovely as a pup but will most definately go through a period of adolesance were it WILL challenge your leadership and if you don't know what you are doing, and I mean really know what you are doing with a working type dog then you will more than likely have some problems. Please only let this pup go to a home of a person experienced at raising good tempered, well balanced bullbreeds and/or working dogs. Please be responsible and do a lot of research into the potential behavioural problems your pup could develop in the wrong/inexperienced home otherwise he will end up in an animal shelter or worse. I don't mean any offence by this post, just get yourself better informed so you can do right by your pup and for godsake nobody else buy form that stupid, selfish breeder of potentially dangerous cross breeds.

 

Can you update your website?

What hapened to Angel, did she get her operation?

 

Jesus christ !!! Have you looked at the date on my original post

I sold this dog over a year ago to a member on here who had a lovely family and who was very happy with the dog.

I'm not going through all the arguments again over what a welsh mastiff is as to be honest I couldn't care less now

 

Not so small now lol

 

He's lovely

 

Just for the record he's never bitten anyone

Is partially scared of cats

Loves fireworks goes and sits in the garden to watch em

Partail to the odd broom head lol

Loves to play with my two girls

 

just read this thread from the start as im a dog lover ,didnt even see the dates
ive just spent 10 minutes reading this by the way nice dog grown up nice you have done a good job

 

Thanks Phil, he is without a doubt the best dog ive ever had

Ok he's chewed things and eaten stuff but he's grown out of it now


Loves attentiona loves kids loves anyone lol


I love watching him sitting in the middle of the garden watching other peoples fireworks go off

Were now thinking he's more of a Dane mastiff cross see photo below

What do you think?

 

actually looks like your dog in that picture stood proud

 

he's a cracker! wish my dog wasn't afraid of fireworks and not so fond of chasing and catching cats

 

Thanks for all your comments guys

 

Lovely to see a happy ending to a rocky story
Lovely dog too

 

dogs

 

Thanks mate