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04 August 2007, 06:28 PM
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OK we have the reaction & the speculation, but can someone please tell me what the f*ck is going on??
all the link tells me, is a lollipop was lifted and Hamilton missed his slot?
please clarify
Mart
all the link tells me, is a lollipop was lifted and Hamilton missed his slot?
please clarify
Mart
04 August 2007, 06:31 PM
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The lollipop was lifted for Alonso to go but he stayed in the pit for a further 10 secs with Lewis behind him waiting for tyres. Thus Lewis crossed the AS/F line 4 secs too late to do one more lap fotr pole position.
Chip
The lollipop was lifted for Alonso to go but he stayed in the pit for a further 10 secs with Lewis behind him waiting for tyres. Thus Lewis crossed the AS/F line 4 secs too late to do one more lap fotr pole position.
Chip
04 August 2007, 06:53 PM
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If it was me I would have slowed right down to accidently ruin Alonso's flying lap...unforunatey would have probably then got penailised by the stewards....
Alonso knows that leading from the front at Hungary is crucial so I predict a pile up into the first corner.....
We will see what happens tomorrow!
Alonso knows that leading from the front at Hungary is crucial so I predict a pile up into the first corner.....
We will see what happens tomorrow!
04 August 2007, 07:24 PM
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Just seen this posted in the Sport section here
McLaren team boss Ron Dennis has confirmed Lewis Hamilton was to blame for the qualifying incident involving the Briton and teammate Fernando Alonso, after the rookie driver ignored team orders earlier in the session.
Alonso has been widely criticised after he waited for some ten seconds before leaving the pitlane during his final stop for tyres.
The delay meant that Hamilton had to sit behind Alonso and was then unable to complete his final flying lap.
The incident is under investigation by the race stewards.
Although the Spaniard had been waved by his "lolly pop" mechanic to leave the pitlane, Dennis revealed Alonso's engineer had instructed him to wait as a consequence of Hamilton disobeying the team's orders earlier on.
"He was being counted down by his engineer," Dennis told reporters after qualifying. "He's under the control of his engineer. He determined when he goes. That's the sequence.
"And if you think that was a deliberate thing, then you can think what you want. I have given you exactly what happened."
Dennis said Hamilton's decision to disobey the team's orders had compromised the team's plans during qualifying.
"They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past. And he didn't. He charged off. That's how we got out of sequence," Dennis added.
He further explained: "We have various procedures within the team and prior to practice we determine how it is going to be run, what our strategy is, and how that's going to be enacted on the circuit.
"There are some procedural issues there on qualifying. One of the things that you'll have seen several times over the course of this season is long periods of time where the car has gone down to the end of pitlane and sat for a long time.
"In this situation, we are timed to when we can dispatch the car based on when the car reaches a given temperature, and then we know how long we can hold it at the pitlane.
"The cars are dispatched as soon as possible. In this instance, Lewis's car got up to that temperature first, we went Lewis, we sent Fernando, and the fuel burn characteristics [mean that] there is a small advantage which we play from driver to driver according to the nature of the circuit.
"In this instance, it was Fernando's time to get the advantage of the longer fuel burn. The arrangement was, OK, we're down at the end of the pitlane, we reverse positions in the first lap. That didn't occur as arranged. That was somewhat disappointing and caused some tensions on the pitwall.
"We were, from that moment on, out of sequence because the cars were in the wrong place on the circuit and that unfolded into the pitstops. It complicated the situation into the result, which was Lewis not getting his final timed lap.
"So this really started from that position, and from our drivers not swapping position to get the right fuel burn in order to arrive at the point where we cut the end result to the end.
"Now, as you have often asked the question, and let me make it a very honest answer, it is extremely difficult to deal with two such competitive drivers. There are definite pressures within the team. We make no secret of it. They are both very competitive, and they both want to win, and we are trying our very hardest to balance those pressures.
"Today we were part of a process where it didn't work, and the end result is more pressure on the team. But what you hear is the exact truth of what happened, and we will manage it inside the team through the balance of the season.
"Obviously Lewis feels more uncomfortable with the situation than Fernando. That's life, that's the way it is, and if he feels too hot to talk about it then that's the way it is.
"But what I've done is, I have given you an exact understanding of what took place today. And it's just pressure, competitiveness, and that's the way it is. We've just got to get on and deal with it, but we're not hiding from it.
"We're sat on the front row of the most difficult Grand Prix to win as regards to overtaking, and therefore we want to get on with the race.
"Fernando is here. Have I explained it accurately? [Alonso gives a thumbs-up]. OK. That's the way it is."
To me it looks like because Hamilton didnt slow down and let Alonso past earlier in Qualiy, that Alonso's instructor deliberately made Alonso hold up Hamilton, and Ron Dennis thinks thats ok
Tit for Tat if thats the case, and all a bit stupid if you ask me
McLaren team boss Ron Dennis has confirmed Lewis Hamilton was to blame for the qualifying incident involving the Briton and teammate Fernando Alonso, after the rookie driver ignored team orders earlier in the session.
Alonso has been widely criticised after he waited for some ten seconds before leaving the pitlane during his final stop for tyres.
The delay meant that Hamilton had to sit behind Alonso and was then unable to complete his final flying lap.
The incident is under investigation by the race stewards.
Although the Spaniard had been waved by his "lolly pop" mechanic to leave the pitlane, Dennis revealed Alonso's engineer had instructed him to wait as a consequence of Hamilton disobeying the team's orders earlier on.
"He was being counted down by his engineer," Dennis told reporters after qualifying. "He's under the control of his engineer. He determined when he goes. That's the sequence.
"And if you think that was a deliberate thing, then you can think what you want. I have given you exactly what happened."
Dennis said Hamilton's decision to disobey the team's orders had compromised the team's plans during qualifying.
"They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past. And he didn't. He charged off. That's how we got out of sequence," Dennis added.
He further explained: "We have various procedures within the team and prior to practice we determine how it is going to be run, what our strategy is, and how that's going to be enacted on the circuit.
"There are some procedural issues there on qualifying. One of the things that you'll have seen several times over the course of this season is long periods of time where the car has gone down to the end of pitlane and sat for a long time.
"In this situation, we are timed to when we can dispatch the car based on when the car reaches a given temperature, and then we know how long we can hold it at the pitlane.
"The cars are dispatched as soon as possible. In this instance, Lewis's car got up to that temperature first, we went Lewis, we sent Fernando, and the fuel burn characteristics [mean that] there is a small advantage which we play from driver to driver according to the nature of the circuit.
"In this instance, it was Fernando's time to get the advantage of the longer fuel burn. The arrangement was, OK, we're down at the end of the pitlane, we reverse positions in the first lap. That didn't occur as arranged. That was somewhat disappointing and caused some tensions on the pitwall.
"We were, from that moment on, out of sequence because the cars were in the wrong place on the circuit and that unfolded into the pitstops. It complicated the situation into the result, which was Lewis not getting his final timed lap.
"So this really started from that position, and from our drivers not swapping position to get the right fuel burn in order to arrive at the point where we cut the end result to the end.
"Now, as you have often asked the question, and let me make it a very honest answer, it is extremely difficult to deal with two such competitive drivers. There are definite pressures within the team. We make no secret of it. They are both very competitive, and they both want to win, and we are trying our very hardest to balance those pressures.
"Today we were part of a process where it didn't work, and the end result is more pressure on the team. But what you hear is the exact truth of what happened, and we will manage it inside the team through the balance of the season.
"Obviously Lewis feels more uncomfortable with the situation than Fernando. That's life, that's the way it is, and if he feels too hot to talk about it then that's the way it is.
"But what I've done is, I have given you an exact understanding of what took place today. And it's just pressure, competitiveness, and that's the way it is. We've just got to get on and deal with it, but we're not hiding from it.
"We're sat on the front row of the most difficult Grand Prix to win as regards to overtaking, and therefore we want to get on with the race.
"Fernando is here. Have I explained it accurately? [Alonso gives a thumbs-up]. OK. That's the way it is."
To me it looks like because Hamilton didnt slow down and let Alonso past earlier in Qualiy, that Alonso's instructor deliberately made Alonso hold up Hamilton, and Ron Dennis thinks thats ok
Tit for Tat if thats the case, and all a bit stupid if you ask me
04 August 2007, 08:51 PM
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Hamilton should have probably already pitted, but didnt as he made things out of sequence between the two drivers by not letting overtake in the fuel burning phase on the track.
Clearly tension between those two drivers!
04 August 2007, 10:17 PM
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I don't understand Ron's quote there - from his obvious frustration at the Alonso earlier on.
But, I;ve lost a lot of respect for Alonso this season - moaning at everything. I hope lewis barges him out the way at the first corner (although I think he'll go around the outside)
But, I;ve lost a lot of respect for Alonso this season - moaning at everything. I hope lewis barges him out the way at the first corner (although I think he'll go around the outside)
04 August 2007, 11:43 PM
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McLaren has also been informed that it will not be eligible to score constructors' points from Sunday's race from either car.
Ron is not going to be a happy bunny
04 August 2007, 11:55 PM
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From what it looks like at the moment, it serves them right. It looks like they tried to cover up the incident so they could handle it internally. Except the FIA did not appreciate that.
There are going to be some serious rifts in that team. What with the secrets thing, Alonso moaning and getting demoted, Lewis getting annoyed with Alonso and team orders, and Ron. I would not like to light a cigarette near any of them...its a powder keg waiting to go BOOM
There are going to be some serious rifts in that team. What with the secrets thing, Alonso moaning and getting demoted, Lewis getting annoyed with Alonso and team orders, and Ron. I would not like to light a cigarette near any of them...its a powder keg waiting to go BOOM
04 August 2007, 11:59 PM
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Sounds like the McLaren drivers are playing tit-for-tat and the team are just lying to get round it with minimum disruption! Doesnt bode well for their "oh we didnt see any of that document stolen from Ferrari" arguement 
All I can say is go Kimi! - would be happy to see McLaren get beaten after all this crap!
All I can say is go Kimi! - would be happy to see McLaren get beaten after all this crap!
05 August 2007, 12:23 AM
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Now that kind of behavious would inject some spice into the sport 
Too many polite public schoolboys playing team politics now, let's have some real characters. Schuey wanting to tw@t Coulthard at Spa was the last time there was any proper emotion 
Too many polite public schoolboys playing team politics now, let's have some real characters. Schuey wanting to tw@t Coulthard at Spa was the last time there was any proper emotion
05 August 2007, 12:26 AM
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It's all to clean cut nicey-nicey now isn't it!
Just think if Senna/Prost/Alesi/Irvine was involved.
What were Patrese and Fittipaldi like? They were a little before my time-ish.
Just think if Senna/Prost/Alesi/Irvine was involved.
What were Patrese and Fittipaldi like? They were a little before my time-ish.
05 August 2007, 12:33 AM
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05 August 2007, 11:09 AM
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Great quote in today's papers. Over the radio:
Hamilton - "Don't ever do that to me again."
Dennis - "Don't ever speak to me like that again."
Hamilton - "Go swivel."
I think the Steward's decision was right, and it might well have been Ron's ridiculous explanation that was economical with the truth at best, that cost the team constructor's points. And it doesn't put McLaren in a favourable light re the Ferrari scandal either. Ron Dennis - the new King Kanute.
Richard.
Hamilton - "Don't ever do that to me again."
Dennis - "Don't ever speak to me like that again."
Hamilton - "Go swivel."
I think the Steward's decision was right, and it might well have been Ron's ridiculous explanation that was economical with the truth at best, that cost the team constructor's points. And it doesn't put McLaren in a favourable light re the Ferrari scandal either. Ron Dennis - the new King Kanute.
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05 August 2007, 11:10 AM
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From the BBC website.... 22yo rookie tells RonDennis to "swivel"
"Whether it was Alonso or the McLaren team's decision remains unclear even now but, if the morning papers are to be believed, Lewis Hamilton let boss Ron Dennis know in no uncertain terms that he will not be tolerating any such tactics in future, telling the big man to "swivel". How very playground... "
05 August 2007, 06:07 PM
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Yes Alonso was stupid holding him up, but he did that because Hamilton refused to let him by earlier in the session (despite repeated orders from the team on the radio), so messed up the teams programme.
Hamilton owes everything to McLaren - they've funded his career for the last decade, and if hes now refusing team orders and telling Ron Dennis to "go swivel" that goes down pretty badly in my book
05 August 2007, 08:13 PM
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