POLICE INTERCEPTION - Basildon
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well if you can point out one case of that happening then let me know. if they claim that then there smoking the confiscated drugs.
last christmas i had a load of bit stolen from my car, side skirts, indicators wing mirros etc, what did the police do? gave me a number and that was it, even though cctv was there they never even looked ( i asked the carpark people and they never came and collected the tape).
againa case of police failing to do ther job properly and getting priorites wrong, you could argue its a single incident, well wrong, the police i spoke to said i chose the worst car park int he county (one of the highest in the country) to park my car in. so i ask you, y are they not doing something about it?
have to agree with mark on this one. i'm happy to know that the anpr team are out there. if one of my cars gets stolen or anyone's from here, friends, family etc, i'd hope that it gets picked up by the anpr.
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I'm sorry to hear about your stuff being nicked, it is a P.I.T.A and not very nice. I think most people who post on here (including me) have been the victim of stuff or cars being stolen
againa case of police failing to do ther job properly and getting priorites wrong, you could argue its a single incident, well wrong, the police i spoke to said i chose the worst car park int he county (one of the highest in the country) to park my car in. so i ask you, y are they not doing something about it?
But, surely the responsibility in the first instance should be down to the people who own/run the car park in the first place? Prevention is better then cure perhaps?
againa case of police failing to do ther job properly and getting priorites wrong, you could argue its a single incident, well wrong, the police i spoke to said i chose the worst car park int he county (one of the highest in the country) to park my car in. so i ask you, y are they not doing something about it?
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well if you can point out one case of that happening then let me know. if they claim that then there smoking the confiscated drugs.
last christmas i had a load of bit stolen from my car, side skirts, indicators wing mirros etc, what did the police do? gave me a number and that was it, even though cctv was there they never even looked ( i asked the carpark people and they never came and collected the tape).
againa case of police failing to do ther job properly and getting priorites wrong, you could argue its a single incident, well wrong, the police i spoke to said i chose the worst car park int he county (one of the highest in the country) to park my car in. so i ask you, y are they not doing something about it?
last christmas i had a load of bit stolen from my car, side skirts, indicators wing mirros etc, what did the police do? gave me a number and that was it, even though cctv was there they never even looked ( i asked the carpark people and they never came and collected the tape).
againa case of police failing to do ther job properly and getting priorites wrong, you could argue its a single incident, well wrong, the police i spoke to said i chose the worst car park int he county (one of the highest in the country) to park my car in. so i ask you, y are they not doing something about it?
Your issues would have been part of the normal police role, and as I said, I agree that they could spend there time solving proper crimes
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i agree, its a public carpark used for the tram system in nottingham and run by the council, prevent as you say is way better than conviction, so y not have a police car drive round the carpark everynow and again,a nd put security people on.
but to do nothing when people have the property damaged or stolen and have then doing things like this, its kinda like saying go rob somewhere and we'll do nothing yet drive with a small number plate and we'll nail you to the wall. come on, the priorities are way way wrong.
don't get me wrong, i do think its not (normmaly) down to the individual officers, and due to policies they are made to enforce, but those policies need to change, and if enough officers and public speak up and use there experiance to say were doing this wrong then things can change, but they never do and go for the easy targets to make good crime prevention figures
but to do nothing when people have the property damaged or stolen and have then doing things like this, its kinda like saying go rob somewhere and we'll do nothing yet drive with a small number plate and we'll nail you to the wall. come on, the priorities are way way wrong.
don't get me wrong, i do think its not (normmaly) down to the individual officers, and due to policies they are made to enforce, but those policies need to change, and if enough officers and public speak up and use there experiance to say were doing this wrong then things can change, but they never do and go for the easy targets to make good crime prevention figures
well if you can point out one case of that happening then let me know. if they claim that then there smoking the confiscated drugs.
last christmas i had a load of bit stolen from my car, side skirts, indicators wing mirros etc, what did the police do? gave me a number and that was it, even though cctv was there they never even looked ( i asked the carpark people and they never came and collected the tape).
againa case of police failing to do ther job properly and getting priorites wrong, you could argue its a single incident, well wrong, the police i spoke to said i chose the worst car park int he county (one of the highest in the country) to park my car in. so i ask you, y are they not doing something about it?
last christmas i had a load of bit stolen from my car, side skirts, indicators wing mirros etc, what did the police do? gave me a number and that was it, even though cctv was there they never even looked ( i asked the carpark people and they never came and collected the tape).
againa case of police failing to do ther job properly and getting priorites wrong, you could argue its a single incident, well wrong, the police i spoke to said i chose the worst car park int he county (one of the highest in the country) to park my car in. so i ask you, y are they not doing something about it?
a mate was nicked on a drugs raid in benfleet (just like to say he was there inocently). the car that was being used by on of the guys that owned the place was taken at gun point. 3 crimes solved in 1, 400 cannabis plants seized, stolen car recovered and a lead back to the people that took the car at gun point.
at the end of the day any crime that is taken care of by the police is a crime no matter how small and as above can lead to other things.
yes it's annoying that you get stung £30 for having a number plate on the car that you've paid for but you shouldn't have anyway.
a lot of the time when incidents happen they won't go and nick the people that have taken a few bits from a car in a car park. it may be that they are trying to find out how big an operation is going on and 1 arrest could blow the whole thing. it's incredably annoying that it appears that nothing is being done but at the end of the day i'm sure there are reasons.
i'm not a copper and must admit that i get infuriated that things don't appear to be getting done some times. i also get annoyed when i get pulled over. but at the end of the day police are there to do a job and the anpr team is to start with car defects and as said above lack on insureance, mot etc. they're not there primarily there to answer house thefts etc.
OK guys - just like to state that whilst I agree that the police have a job to do etc... and we could argue all day on whether its done right or wrong - but my wife was driving the car yesterday with the kids in - so its not like she needed to be pulled over - hardly likely it was stolen!!! 6 week old baby and a toddler - as for the number plate - we only had the fmi fitted on friday, noticed the number plate wasn't put back on by the garage, returned to them and they put a sticker on the lower part of the bumper - i.e. so at least it had a plate on it!! Also, the normal (full size) plate had been in the window but had fallen down as she came off the 127!!! Explaining this to the officer, he said that even if displayed in the window - it was not legal.
Regarding the noise factor that someone mentioned - she was hardly booting it with the kids in the car - so the noise wouldn't have been at its maximum anyway.
Regarding the noise factor that someone mentioned - she was hardly booting it with the kids in the car - so the noise wouldn't have been at its maximum anyway.
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there is some road traffic act or law / something from the dvla that has a section 14a. this states that imported vehicles can have smaller plates because of the recess in the bumper being too small to accept uk size plates. not a problem for impreza's though i'm afraid. they take uk size plates. will depend on the office that pulls you over.
sure someone will be along in a mo with the full title of the document that i'm refering to.
sure someone will be along in a mo with the full title of the document that i'm refering to.
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/lea...mberplates.pdf
Display of Vehicle Registration Marks on Imported Vehicles (which have a restricted space for a standard sized number plate)
Certain imported vehicles may be permitted to display number plates with smaller characters if :-
1.The vehicle does not have European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval
2.The vehicle's construction/design cannot accomodate standard size number plates
Specifications for smaller sized plates (for certain imported vehicles):-
Character Height ~ 64mm
Character Width ~ 44mm
Character Stroke ~ 10mm
Space between characters ~ 10mm
The Standard Oblong plate is ~ 524mm x 112mm
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Well.....what a discussion this has turned out to be !!
It was me mate, i'm affriad you will have to get in line, theres a load of people already within the Police that want my job !!
Now how does one respond to a comment that like? My initial view was that it doesn't deserve comment, but then thought it does if not in an attempt to illustrate the work we do. Guessing you don't actually come from Essex, your statement seems very sweeping for an area you perhaps have no knowledge of how it is actually Policed. Your experiences are obviously not good, however this is an issue you need to address with your local force. I feel however despite your experiences your comments are very derogatory and unfair. I personally don't mind what you say about the Police as it will be nothing i haven't heard before, if anything it makes you look a little juvenile on a public forum using such terms.
Really ?? Is that not what the Police are there for, to detect and reduce crime. If someone reports a crime it is personal to them. There are varying levels of severity in reported crime for sure, however one is as important as another surely? As for "making cash" how is this done in your mind ? The Police is a non profit organisation, we don't charge people for dealing with their assault, burglary, theft of vehicle or road accident, so "making cash" doesn't happen the way you suspect it does.
I personally can name a number of incidents which happen on a weekly basis where people are arrested due to the vehicle being connected with a specific crime, whether this be a house burglary, theft, armed robbery etc. Again your views i would suggest are based on suspicion and not fact. Last year the ANPR Intercept Team recovered in excess of 100 stolen vehicles on the road in Essex alone. This does not take into account the large number of other arrests which were made for offences which you suggest we should be dealing with.
We are a high profile and high visibility Policing resource. Although we do predominately deal with ANPR related activity, we also deal with other road traffic enforcement. Whether this is mobile phone usage whilst driving, small number plates etc etc. If there is something wrong with your vehicle and for whatever reason it is not "technically road legal" you take the risk of being stopped and being dealt with in some way or another. I think we are all adult enough to recognise this.
Those engaged in criminal activity generally use vehicles. They do not get the bus to burgle a house or walk with a 40" plasma as the proceeds from a burglary. So by targeting a small percentage of the population in vehicles, we will detect those crimes which are important.
As stated another activity is for No Insurance and Driving licence. I personally would not like to be involved in a collision with someone who has no licence or insurance or both. So by targeting those individuals this should reduce this risk and financial consequence to us all.
Its nice to see that the majority of people on this thread are behind what we do and fully appreciate the reason for why we are in existence. We do not hide what we are about or why we do what we do, if anything it is to try and negate any comments such as those brought by Tidgy.
It was me mate, i'm affriad you will have to get in line, theres a load of people already within the Police that want my job !!
Really ?? Is that not what the Police are there for, to detect and reduce crime. If someone reports a crime it is personal to them. There are varying levels of severity in reported crime for sure, however one is as important as another surely? As for "making cash" how is this done in your mind ? The Police is a non profit organisation, we don't charge people for dealing with their assault, burglary, theft of vehicle or road accident, so "making cash" doesn't happen the way you suspect it does.
I personally can name a number of incidents which happen on a weekly basis where people are arrested due to the vehicle being connected with a specific crime, whether this be a house burglary, theft, armed robbery etc. Again your views i would suggest are based on suspicion and not fact. Last year the ANPR Intercept Team recovered in excess of 100 stolen vehicles on the road in Essex alone. This does not take into account the large number of other arrests which were made for offences which you suggest we should be dealing with.
We are a high profile and high visibility Policing resource. Although we do predominately deal with ANPR related activity, we also deal with other road traffic enforcement. Whether this is mobile phone usage whilst driving, small number plates etc etc. If there is something wrong with your vehicle and for whatever reason it is not "technically road legal" you take the risk of being stopped and being dealt with in some way or another. I think we are all adult enough to recognise this.
Those engaged in criminal activity generally use vehicles. They do not get the bus to burgle a house or walk with a 40" plasma as the proceeds from a burglary. So by targeting a small percentage of the population in vehicles, we will detect those crimes which are important.
As stated another activity is for No Insurance and Driving licence. I personally would not like to be involved in a collision with someone who has no licence or insurance or both. So by targeting those individuals this should reduce this risk and financial consequence to us all.
Its nice to see that the majority of people on this thread are behind what we do and fully appreciate the reason for why we are in existence. We do not hide what we are about or why we do what we do, if anything it is to try and negate any comments such as those brought by Tidgy.
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Its nice to see that the majority of people on this thread are behind what we do and fully appreciate the reason for why we are in existence. We do not hide what we are about or why we do what we do, if anything it is to try and negate any comments such as those brought by Tidgy.
i personally have had 2 dealings with the police latley reagding my number plate being to small and wrong fonts. on both occasions i was just given a breaf talking too. The Police officer also stated that it wasn't in his/her interest to nick me for them, but advised me to change them
I am now going to change them this week
If i don't and i get pulled again then i only have myself to blame.
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Well.....what a discussion this has turned out to be !!
It was me mate, i'm affriad you will have to get in line, theres a load of people already within the Police that want my job !!
Now how does one respond to a comment that like? My initial view was that it doesn't deserve comment, but then thought it does if not in an attempt to illustrate the work we do. Guessing you don't actually come from Essex, your statement seems very sweeping for an area you perhaps have no knowledge of how it is actually Policed. Your experiences are obviously not good, however this is an issue you need to address with your local force. I feel however despite your experiences your comments are very derogatory and unfair. I personally don't mind what you say about the Police as it will be nothing i haven't heard before, if anything it makes you look a little juvenile on a public forum using such terms.
Really ?? Is that not what the Police are there for, to detect and reduce crime. If someone reports a crime it is personal to them. There are varying levels of severity in reported crime for sure, however one is as important as another surely? As for "making cash" how is this done in your mind ? The Police is a non profit organisation, we don't charge people for dealing with their assault, burglary, theft of vehicle or road accident, so "making cash" doesn't happen the way you suspect it does.
I personally can name a number of incidents which happen on a weekly basis where people are arrested due to the vehicle being connected with a specific crime, whether this be a house burglary, theft, armed robbery etc. Again your views i would suggest are based on suspicion and not fact. Last year the ANPR Intercept Team recovered in excess of 100 stolen vehicles on the road in Essex alone. This does not take into account the large number of other arrests which were made for offences which you suggest we should be dealing with.
We are a high profile and high visibility Policing resource. Although we do predominately deal with ANPR related activity, we also deal with other road traffic enforcement. Whether this is mobile phone usage whilst driving, small number plates etc etc. If there is something wrong with your vehicle and for whatever reason it is not "technically road legal" you take the risk of being stopped and being dealt with in some way or another. I think we are all adult enough to recognise this.
Those engaged in criminal activity generally use vehicles. They do not get the bus to burgle a house or walk with a 40" plasma as the proceeds from a burglary. So by targeting a small percentage of the population in vehicles, we will detect those crimes which are important.
As stated another activity is for No Insurance and Driving licence. I personally would not like to be involved in a collision with someone who has no licence or insurance or both. So by targeting those individuals this should reduce this risk and financial consequence to us all.
Its nice to see that the majority of people on this thread are behind what we do and fully appreciate the reason for why we are in existence. We do not hide what we are about or why we do what we do, if anything it is to try and negate any comments such as those brought by Tidgy.
It was me mate, i'm affriad you will have to get in line, theres a load of people already within the Police that want my job !!
Now how does one respond to a comment that like? My initial view was that it doesn't deserve comment, but then thought it does if not in an attempt to illustrate the work we do. Guessing you don't actually come from Essex, your statement seems very sweeping for an area you perhaps have no knowledge of how it is actually Policed. Your experiences are obviously not good, however this is an issue you need to address with your local force. I feel however despite your experiences your comments are very derogatory and unfair. I personally don't mind what you say about the Police as it will be nothing i haven't heard before, if anything it makes you look a little juvenile on a public forum using such terms.
Really ?? Is that not what the Police are there for, to detect and reduce crime. If someone reports a crime it is personal to them. There are varying levels of severity in reported crime for sure, however one is as important as another surely? As for "making cash" how is this done in your mind ? The Police is a non profit organisation, we don't charge people for dealing with their assault, burglary, theft of vehicle or road accident, so "making cash" doesn't happen the way you suspect it does.
I personally can name a number of incidents which happen on a weekly basis where people are arrested due to the vehicle being connected with a specific crime, whether this be a house burglary, theft, armed robbery etc. Again your views i would suggest are based on suspicion and not fact. Last year the ANPR Intercept Team recovered in excess of 100 stolen vehicles on the road in Essex alone. This does not take into account the large number of other arrests which were made for offences which you suggest we should be dealing with.
We are a high profile and high visibility Policing resource. Although we do predominately deal with ANPR related activity, we also deal with other road traffic enforcement. Whether this is mobile phone usage whilst driving, small number plates etc etc. If there is something wrong with your vehicle and for whatever reason it is not "technically road legal" you take the risk of being stopped and being dealt with in some way or another. I think we are all adult enough to recognise this.
Those engaged in criminal activity generally use vehicles. They do not get the bus to burgle a house or walk with a 40" plasma as the proceeds from a burglary. So by targeting a small percentage of the population in vehicles, we will detect those crimes which are important.
As stated another activity is for No Insurance and Driving licence. I personally would not like to be involved in a collision with someone who has no licence or insurance or both. So by targeting those individuals this should reduce this risk and financial consequence to us all.
Its nice to see that the majority of people on this thread are behind what we do and fully appreciate the reason for why we are in existence. We do not hide what we are about or why we do what we do, if anything it is to try and negate any comments such as those brought by Tidgy.
Answered in a mature and sensible fashion - IMHO
(Ms Gooner) I would just like to point out here - that I do not have a problem with the police - and I for one have needed them at some point, as most of us have. However, I am still a bit peeved as it must've been down to the officers discretion to pull me over. My husband (Gooner), drove the car down the A13 on Saturday morning and actually went past an Evo police car - and they didn't pull him over................ Is it cause I'm a woman in a scooby!!!??? LOL
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- my numberplate is now rectified - and legal
For the record Officer
- my numberplate is now rectified - and legal
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(Ms Gooner) I would just like to point out here - that I do not have a problem with the police - and I for one have needed them at some point, as most of us have. However, I am still a bit peeved as it must've been down to the officers discretion to pull me over. My husband (Gooner), drove the car down the A13 on Saturday morning and actually went past an Evo police car - and they didn't pull him over................ Is it cause I'm a woman in a scooby!!!??? LOL
For the record Officer - my numberplate is now rectified - and legal
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- my numberplate is now rectified - and legal 
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(Ms Gooner) I would just like to point out here - that I do not have a problem with the police - and I for one have needed them at some point, as most of us have. However, I am still a bit peeved as it must've been down to the officers discretion to pull me over. My husband (Gooner), drove the car down the A13 on Saturday morning and actually went past an Evo police car - and they didn't pull him over................ Is it cause I'm a woman in a scooby!!!??? LOL
For the record Officer - my numberplate is now rectified - and legal
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- my numberplate is now rectified - and legal When I run Jess to work around 8.30pm it's less than 1/2 mile.Yet every night you can bank on seeing at least one car with a headlight blown, one with fog lights on, one on the phone & one with blue washer jet lights or side lights. But that's life, for every one that gets away with it you can be sure there are plenty that don't. When you are the victim it's very easy to say "Why me?" but think positive as now you have been stopped it should be someone else's turn now.
And nicely put Steve.
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Well.....what a discussion this has turned out to be !!
It was me mate, i'm affriad you will have to get in line, theres a load of people already within the Police that want my job !!
Now how does one respond to a comment that like? My initial view was that it doesn't deserve comment, but then thought it does if not in an attempt to illustrate the work we do. Guessing you don't actually come from Essex, your statement seems very sweeping for an area you perhaps have no knowledge of how it is actually Policed. Your experiences are obviously not good, however this is an issue you need to address with your local force. I feel however despite your experiences your comments are very derogatory and unfair. I personally don't mind what you say about the Police as it will be nothing i haven't heard before, if anything it makes you look a little juvenile on a public forum using such terms.
Really ?? Is that not what the Police are there for, to detect and reduce crime. If someone reports a crime it is personal to them. There are varying levels of severity in reported crime for sure, however one is as important as another surely? As for "making cash" how is this done in your mind ? The Police is a non profit organisation, we don't charge people for dealing with their assault, burglary, theft of vehicle or road accident, so "making cash" doesn't happen the way you suspect it does.
I personally can name a number of incidents which happen on a weekly basis where people are arrested due to the vehicle being connected with a specific crime, whether this be a house burglary, theft, armed robbery etc. Again your views i would suggest are based on suspicion and not fact. Last year the ANPR Intercept Team recovered in excess of 100 stolen vehicles on the road in Essex alone. This does not take into account the large number of other arrests which were made for offences which you suggest we should be dealing with.
We are a high profile and high visibility Policing resource. Although we do predominately deal with ANPR related activity, we also deal with other road traffic enforcement. Whether this is mobile phone usage whilst driving, small number plates etc etc. If there is something wrong with your vehicle and for whatever reason it is not "technically road legal" you take the risk of being stopped and being dealt with in some way or another. I think we are all adult enough to recognise this.
Those engaged in criminal activity generally use vehicles. They do not get the bus to burgle a house or walk with a 40" plasma as the proceeds from a burglary. So by targeting a small percentage of the population in vehicles, we will detect those crimes which are important.
As stated another activity is for No Insurance and Driving licence. I personally would not like to be involved in a collision with someone who has no licence or insurance or both. So by targeting those individuals this should reduce this risk and financial consequence to us all.
Its nice to see that the majority of people on this thread are behind what we do and fully appreciate the reason for why we are in existence. We do not hide what we are about or why we do what we do, if anything it is to try and negate any comments such as those brought by Tidgy.
It was me mate, i'm affriad you will have to get in line, theres a load of people already within the Police that want my job !!
Now how does one respond to a comment that like? My initial view was that it doesn't deserve comment, but then thought it does if not in an attempt to illustrate the work we do. Guessing you don't actually come from Essex, your statement seems very sweeping for an area you perhaps have no knowledge of how it is actually Policed. Your experiences are obviously not good, however this is an issue you need to address with your local force. I feel however despite your experiences your comments are very derogatory and unfair. I personally don't mind what you say about the Police as it will be nothing i haven't heard before, if anything it makes you look a little juvenile on a public forum using such terms.
Really ?? Is that not what the Police are there for, to detect and reduce crime. If someone reports a crime it is personal to them. There are varying levels of severity in reported crime for sure, however one is as important as another surely? As for "making cash" how is this done in your mind ? The Police is a non profit organisation, we don't charge people for dealing with their assault, burglary, theft of vehicle or road accident, so "making cash" doesn't happen the way you suspect it does.
I personally can name a number of incidents which happen on a weekly basis where people are arrested due to the vehicle being connected with a specific crime, whether this be a house burglary, theft, armed robbery etc. Again your views i would suggest are based on suspicion and not fact. Last year the ANPR Intercept Team recovered in excess of 100 stolen vehicles on the road in Essex alone. This does not take into account the large number of other arrests which were made for offences which you suggest we should be dealing with.
We are a high profile and high visibility Policing resource. Although we do predominately deal with ANPR related activity, we also deal with other road traffic enforcement. Whether this is mobile phone usage whilst driving, small number plates etc etc. If there is something wrong with your vehicle and for whatever reason it is not "technically road legal" you take the risk of being stopped and being dealt with in some way or another. I think we are all adult enough to recognise this.
Those engaged in criminal activity generally use vehicles. They do not get the bus to burgle a house or walk with a 40" plasma as the proceeds from a burglary. So by targeting a small percentage of the population in vehicles, we will detect those crimes which are important.
As stated another activity is for No Insurance and Driving licence. I personally would not like to be involved in a collision with someone who has no licence or insurance or both. So by targeting those individuals this should reduce this risk and financial consequence to us all.
Its nice to see that the majority of people on this thread are behind what we do and fully appreciate the reason for why we are in existence. We do not hide what we are about or why we do what we do, if anything it is to try and negate any comments such as those brought by Tidgy.
Excellent reply.... If only the ANPR unit was around in 2001 when my classic was hit on my driveway 
Escort van stolen from basildon used by a few ******* from tilbury who lost control on a straight road..... 
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