Scooby vs The World
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I saw a Ferrari at the pod run a 14.2 sec 1/4, don't tell me he was not racing
Oh and what is the fastest 1/4 for a Ferrari ?
Anywhere near Mr Foresters? don't think so.
People with silly money do silly thing's(ie buy a super-car ) what makes it super, The price? There are quite a few of these "supercars" parked near my house in a underground car park. Price of parking is around £35-00 per day. They sit there for months at a time and are never driven.
"oh look I have just bought a Ferrari, but I wont drive it"
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Oh and what is the fastest 1/4 for a Ferrari ?
Anywhere near Mr Foresters? don't think so.
People with silly money do silly thing's(ie buy a super-car ) what makes it super, The price? There are quite a few of these "supercars" parked near my house in a underground car park. Price of parking is around £35-00 per day. They sit there for months at a time and are never driven.
"oh look I have just bought a Ferrari, but I wont drive it"
Toffee nosed runts
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I'm sure Audilover will tell you otherwise, but if you take on a well tuned US muscle car, you'd better be prepared to eat some humble pie!! Would love a go in a Hennesey Viper Venom!!!
Totally agree though - it was a great day when someone in america said to his buddy! "Gee chuck, them Europeans are using superchargers to force air into their little 2.0l engines! Think we should do that on the V8?"
Monster engines were then force fed air and the result is monster everything........everywhere. Torque, power, top-end, from idle, the lot
As a fan of straightline power I really am gutted at how good the yanks have it! So much choice and tuning seems to be soooo much cheaper!
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I saw a Ferrari at the pod run a 14.2 sec 1/4, don't tell me he was not racing
Oh and what is the fastest 1/4 for a Ferrari ?
Anywhere near Mr Foresters? don't think so.
People with silly money do silly thing's(ie buy a super-car ) what makes it super, The price? There are quite a few of these "supercars" parked near my house in a underground car park. Price of parking is around £35-00 per day. They sit there for months at a time and are never driven.
"oh look I have just bought a Ferrari, but I wont drive it"
Toffee nosed runts
Oh and what is the fastest 1/4 for a Ferrari ?
Anywhere near Mr Foresters? don't think so.
People with silly money do silly thing's(ie buy a super-car ) what makes it super, The price? There are quite a few of these "supercars" parked near my house in a underground car park. Price of parking is around £35-00 per day. They sit there for months at a time and are never driven.
"oh look I have just bought a Ferrari, but I wont drive it"
Toffee nosed runts
Here we go again with the 0-60 quotes. Why can't you guys see that 0-60 is probably the worst measure of a vehicles ability to accelerate. It's positively criminal that it managed to become something of an industry standard.
A good scooby with somewhere in the region of 300-400bhp will utterly tank 99.9% of all cars ever made off the line. Seriously, go to LetsTorqueBHP - Home pick a scooby that you like and start comparing its 60-100mph time to other exotica and fast cars. Prepare to be shocked! Now compare it to some of the fast hot-hatches out there and imagine them with just a remap....snapping at your heels?! If I had my way every magazine would quote 20-120mph times
You probably need to chase an Impreza down the 1/4er mile in a faster RWD car to appreciate this. When I had the Honda I got thumped by a 250bhp bugeye until midway down the strip when I eased past. The 4WD, whilst great fun, is pretty deceptive
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying scoobies are sh*t or nothing just looking for a little bit of reasoned perspective on the board. At the end of the day I bought my scooby because it can keep up with the cars I've mentioned in some tests of acceleration. Ultimate bang for buck but I'm under no illusions what would happen if a Ferrari got to stretch her legs
A good scooby with somewhere in the region of 300-400bhp will utterly tank 99.9% of all cars ever made off the line. Seriously, go to LetsTorqueBHP - Home pick a scooby that you like and start comparing its 60-100mph time to other exotica and fast cars. Prepare to be shocked! Now compare it to some of the fast hot-hatches out there and imagine them with just a remap....snapping at your heels?! If I had my way every magazine would quote 20-120mph times
You probably need to chase an Impreza down the 1/4er mile in a faster RWD car to appreciate this. When I had the Honda I got thumped by a 250bhp bugeye until midway down the strip when I eased past. The 4WD, whilst great fun, is pretty deceptive
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying scoobies are sh*t or nothing just looking for a little bit of reasoned perspective on the board. At the end of the day I bought my scooby because it can keep up with the cars I've mentioned in some tests of acceleration. Ultimate bang for buck but I'm under no illusions what would happen if a Ferrari got to stretch her legs
. and FWIW an M5 would be around 7.3 seconds from 40-100....When considering on road "races" there's loads of factors which mean that a mildly modded scoob can embarass certain exotica.. Driver skill being primary... Scooby owners may just be better drivers
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car
• noun 1 a powered road vehicle designed to carry a small number of people. 2 a railway carriage or (N. Amer.) wagon.
— ORIGIN originally meaning wheeled vehicle: from Latin carrus.
Defo not a device
Here are my figures from the Lets torque bhp, is my car classed as a super car now
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 392
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1270
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 313.62
0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.47
0 - 100 (Secs) : 8.84
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.37
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.08
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 116.90
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.68
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 120.92
Banny
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 392
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1270
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 313.62
0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.47
0 - 100 (Secs) : 8.84
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.37
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.08
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 116.90
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.68
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 120.92
Banny
The point is, we all know the scoob is not the fastest/best on the twisties/straight line/hanging its **** around a corner etc, but it dosent stop us thinking it is....
when you drive in london every day like I do and you get overtaken by buses/mpv's and pedestrians, then it dosent matter one bit
when you drive in london every day like I do and you get overtaken by buses/mpv's and pedestrians
, then it dosent matter one bit
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That's because it pretty much is banny At that weight I assume its a classic or stripped new-age but with circa 400bhp it'll fly at anything under big mph
letstorque calculates the stats. The advantage here is that all the other variables are fixed so its an examination of weight, power and drivetrain. Evens the field and I find it very useful.
At that weight I assume its a classic or stripped new-age but with circa 400bhp it'll fly at anything under big mph letstorque calculates the stats. The advantage here is that all the other variables are fixed so its an examination of weight, power and drivetrain. Evens the field and I find it very useful.
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Kenny, my daily driven modified Scooby accelerated twice as quickly from 100-125 mph than my E46 M3. You know how they handle yumps, surface changes, mud and wetness. Where the considerably slower accelerating M3 was bouncing off the road you could go flat out in the Scooby.
Don't know what else to say.
Don't know what else to say.
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I know John, but it was pretty modified you have to admit that. Also, if I recall one of your reasons for selling is that it was a lot of hassle to keep it healthy and daily driveable with the power and the mods. The M3 was quick out the box but I accept not suitable for your prefered kind of driving on your prefered Fife roads. I can only assume that this is why you have an MR340 EVO now, its like the scooby, but achieves similar speed with very basic mods. Win-win.
As much as I'm loathed to use the term Twisties, it is infamous on here for a good reason. In the UK I really doubt you can go any faster on the twisty roads than you can in a sorted Evo or Impreza. But it's the posts of motorway conquests in mildly modified impreza's against F430s, 500bhp M5's, etc that gets on my nerves a little. If I raced 0-40mph I honestly doubt I would lose a race to anything, ever! That's not the point though IMHO.
All I know is that when I've taken on big power cars (i.e 450bhp+) when they get to 100mph they simply ****-off! I took on a R33 Skyline in the S2000 and he was opening up football pitches on my after about 90mph, simply incredible!
As much as I'm loathed to use the term Twisties, it is infamous on here for a good reason. In the UK I really doubt you can go any faster on the twisty roads than you can in a sorted Evo or Impreza. But it's the posts of motorway conquests in mildly modified impreza's against F430s, 500bhp M5's, etc that gets on my nerves a little. If I raced 0-40mph I honestly doubt I would lose a race to anything, ever! That's not the point though IMHO.
All I know is that when I've taken on big power cars (i.e 450bhp+) when they get to 100mph they simply ****-off! I took on a R33 Skyline in the S2000 and he was opening up football pitches on my after about 90mph, simply incredible!
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It was tricky to keep it going because I was pioneering new specs. I intended to have a forged 2.33 and built five speed to run 450 BHP, but both items were less reliable or more problematic than standard items!
The Evo appears quite easy to run at 400 BHP for a few hundred pounds in mods (no problems at all whereas the Subaru did at this power for this long), but it does weigh 1400kg. Suspension is bouncier than the Subaru, but it grips better on the faster flatter stuff. Driving it out the box has the go-kart feel of a Scooby on coilovers.
The only reason to me to buy a more expensive car would not be for performance or refinement, but the combination of the two which is compromised. A £10k Mondeo is as comfortable and refined as a £50k sports saloon and easier to live with/maintain. A £23k Evo with a few hundred on mods is up there with the performance stuff at three times the price.
The Evo appears quite easy to run at 400 BHP for a few hundred pounds in mods (no problems at all whereas the Subaru did at this power for this long), but it does weigh 1400kg. Suspension is bouncier than the Subaru, but it grips better on the faster flatter stuff. Driving it out the box has the go-kart feel of a Scooby on coilovers.
The only reason to me to buy a more expensive car would not be for performance or refinement, but the combination of the two which is compromised. A £10k Mondeo is as comfortable and refined as a £50k sports saloon and easier to live with/maintain. A £23k Evo with a few hundred on mods is up there with the performance stuff at three times the price.
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M3 5.1 0-60, m5 0-60 5 secs ferrari 0-60 4.6 secs so why wouldn,t a lightly moddified sti keep up with these in a race to 60 or 1/4 mile race might not keep up top end once the 155 limiter is lifted. I have a 360 bhp ra and can do m3 up to 120 without problem and before you say was it racing ive owned an m3 evo,new m3 is slightly quicker but still to heavy imho.Scooby 0-60 standard times type r 4.4 22b 5secs p1 4.9 uk turbo 5.4 spec c 4.6 just ,wrx sti 5secs as quick as the cars mentioned as standard.
This is exactly the point i was trying to make
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I completely agree with Saxo Boys point but there was this one time when I got caught up in the middle of a TVR owners club convoy driving over Ashurst Beacon (upholland). They couldnt shake off my previous scoob
Ah... hang on... I see what I did there... D'oh
Ah... hang on... I see what I did there... D'oh
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Here we go again with the 0-60 quotes. Why can't you guys see that 0-60 is probably the worst measure of a vehicles ability to accelerate. It's positively criminal that it managed to become something of an industry standard.
A good scooby with somewhere in the region of 300-400bhp will utterly tank 99.9% of all cars ever made off the line. Seriously, go to LetsTorqueBHP - Home pick a scooby that you like and start comparing its 60-100mph time to other exotica and fast cars. Prepare to be shocked! Now compare it to some of the fast hot-hatches out there and imagine them with just a remap....snapping at your heels?! If I had my way every magazine would quote 20-120mph times
You probably need to chase an Impreza down the 1/4er mile in a faster RWD car to appreciate this. When I had the Honda I got thumped by a 250bhp bugeye until midway down the strip when I eased past. The 4WD, whilst great fun, is pretty deceptive
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying scoobies are sh*t or nothing just looking for a little bit of reasoned perspective on the board. At the end of the day I bought my scooby because it can keep up with the cars I've mentioned in some tests of acceleration. Ultimate bang for buck but I'm under no illusions what would happen if a Ferrari got to stretch her legs
A good scooby with somewhere in the region of 300-400bhp will utterly tank 99.9% of all cars ever made off the line. Seriously, go to LetsTorqueBHP - Home pick a scooby that you like and start comparing its 60-100mph time to other exotica and fast cars. Prepare to be shocked! Now compare it to some of the fast hot-hatches out there and imagine them with just a remap....snapping at your heels?! If I had my way every magazine would quote 20-120mph times
You probably need to chase an Impreza down the 1/4er mile in a faster RWD car to appreciate this. When I had the Honda I got thumped by a 250bhp bugeye until midway down the strip when I eased past. The 4WD, whilst great fun, is pretty deceptive
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying scoobies are sh*t or nothing just looking for a little bit of reasoned perspective on the board. At the end of the day I bought my scooby because it can keep up with the cars I've mentioned in some tests of acceleration. Ultimate bang for buck but I'm under no illusions what would happen if a Ferrari got to stretch her legs
Good website mate. That explains why i always get beat by type r's and vxr's. They are over a second quicker to 100 and from 60 - 100.
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Let's be honest most drivers can't get anywhere near the straight line potential of their scoobies!
I'm sure Michael Schmacher would **** all over a WRX in a 2.0 136bhp focus from the lights as he know how to get the power down.
I put my hands up and admit, when I've been outdown by a lesser car it's for the reasons of not fully understanding how to exploit the powerband and avoid turbo lag.
I've seen an STibeat an M5 handsomely from the lights, but I knew it was because the M5 driver didn't know how to exploit the car's potential.
I'm sure Michael Schmacher would **** all over a WRX in a 2.0 136bhp focus from the lights as he know how to get the power down.
I put my hands up and admit, when I've been outdown by a lesser car it's for the reasons of not fully understanding how to exploit the powerband and avoid turbo lag.
I've seen an STibeat an M5 handsomely from the lights, but I knew it was because the M5 driver didn't know how to exploit the car's potential.
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I'm sure Michael Schmacher would **** all over a WRX in a 2.0 136bhp focus from the lights as he know how to get the power down.
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Not a chance - i'd pan him, after all he's old and washed out
I'm sure Michael Schmacher would **** all over a WRX in a 2.0 136bhp focus from the lights as he know how to get the power down.
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Not a chance - i'd pan him, after all he's old and washed out
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I'm sure he'd like to, but he's banned
Totally agree though - it was a great day when someone in america said to his buddy! "Gee chuck, them Europeans are using superchargers to force air into their little 2.0l engines! Think we should do that on the V8?"
Monster engines were then force fed air and the result is monster everything........everywhere. Torque, power, top-end, from idle, the lot
As a fan of straightline power I really am gutted at how good the yanks have it! So much choice and tuning seems to be soooo much cheaper!
Totally agree though - it was a great day when someone in america said to his buddy! "Gee chuck, them Europeans are using superchargers to force air into their little 2.0l engines! Think we should do that on the V8?"
Monster engines were then force fed air and the result is monster everything........everywhere. Torque, power, top-end, from idle, the lot
As a fan of straightline power I really am gutted at how good the yanks have it! So much choice and tuning seems to be soooo much cheaper!
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I know John, but it was pretty modified you have to admit that. Also, if I recall one of your reasons for selling is that it was a lot of hassle to keep it healthy and daily driveable with the power and the mods. The M3 was quick out the box but I accept not suitable for your prefered kind of driving on your prefered Fife roads. I can only assume that this is why you have an MR340 EVO now, its like the scooby, but achieves similar speed with very basic mods. Win-win.
As much as I'm loathed to use the term Twisties, it is infamous on here for a good reason. In the UK I really doubt you can go any faster on the twisty roads than you can in a sorted Evo or Impreza. But it's the posts of motorway conquests in mildly modified impreza's against F430s, 500bhp M5's, etc that gets on my nerves a little. If I raced 0-40mph I honestly doubt I would lose a race to anything, ever! That's not the point though IMHO.
All I know is that when I've taken on big power cars (i.e 450bhp+) when they get to 100mph they simply ****-off! I took on a R33 Skyline in the S2000 and he was opening up football pitches on my after about 90mph, simply incredible!
As much as I'm loathed to use the term Twisties, it is infamous on here for a good reason. In the UK I really doubt you can go any faster on the twisty roads than you can in a sorted Evo or Impreza. But it's the posts of motorway conquests in mildly modified impreza's against F430s, 500bhp M5's, etc that gets on my nerves a little. If I raced 0-40mph I honestly doubt I would lose a race to anything, ever! That's not the point though IMHO.
All I know is that when I've taken on big power cars (i.e 450bhp+) when they get to 100mph they simply ****-off! I took on a R33 Skyline in the S2000 and he was opening up football pitches on my after about 90mph, simply incredible!
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I'm sure Michael Schmacher would **** all over a WRX in a 2.0 136bhp focus from the lights as he know how to get the power down.
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On a track though, there would be nothing in it. IMHO
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