whats quicker?
05 March 2007, 05:20 PM
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The M3 is still quick - as when the DSC is switched off it is only partialy so (I believe this is a pro-active traction control system). So the backend can get twitchy but if it gets too twitchy the DSC actually cuts in. So can make for some pretty rapid progress through the bends.
If you hold the button for 15 Secs and fully turn off the DSC on the M3 then the Scoob will definately be the quicker car on the cross country stuff. The thing I like about scoobs on cross contry road say with damp and dry patches is that you know exactuly where you are with them when the tyres are losing grip - with the M3 (fantastic car that it is) it doesnt give me confidence of exactly how progressive the loss of grip will be on this type of road.
If you hold the button for 15 Secs and fully turn off the DSC on the M3 then the Scoob will definately be the quicker car on the cross country stuff. The thing I like about scoobs on cross contry road say with damp and dry patches is that you know exactuly where you are with them when the tyres are losing grip - with the M3 (fantastic car that it is) it doesnt give me confidence of exactly how progressive the loss of grip will be on this type of road.
The M3 DSC is either on or off. Its the lesser models 330's d's that has the 2 mode DSC i.e holding for 5 seconds turns it totally off
I know this because i spent all day saturday drifting around bedford autodrome, unless i forgot to turn it off, then i got nowhere
05 March 2007, 05:53 PM
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I previously had a E36 M3 and have to say it was quite fun, but as far as the performance goes my JDM WRX Type RA is much faster even up to 100mph.
The top end is only about 120 in the scoob where as the M3 was much much more.
With it haveing short gearing and being the lightweight version makes a difference.
I know the E46 has more power but still think most scoobys would win.
Not always down to BHP.
The top end is only about 120 in the scoob where as the M3 was much much more.
With it haveing short gearing and being the lightweight version makes a difference.
I know the E46 has more power but still think most scoobys would win.
Not always down to BHP.
05 March 2007, 07:41 PM
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I am writing this from Munich and have just spoken to someone very well informed about BMW E46 M3. As it is his job. This is what he tells me...
Apparently most owners only think the DSC is on or off. But in actual fact it has three settings. 1. On 2. Off (But in actual fact only partialy off - some of the electronic wisardary is still asleep in the background and will activate if the car is really pushed. 3. Totaly Off - This involves holding down the DSC button for a longer period of time - at least 15 seconds (Many owners dont know of this)
So is an excellent bit of technology really.
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Steve
05 March 2007, 08:03 PM
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Were you drifting it and getting the back to snapout a bit on Saturday or did you overcook it and spin? The later situation is when some of the DSC stuff aparently wakes up again.
Do you get it on to Bedford or the like often?
Fancy testing the theory to see what happens?
To see if we have uber bull**** on our hands here
I am going for a drink with him on Friday - so will question him more.
I will also be driving a E46 M3 at the end of the month in Britain. But wont get a chance to push it hard in a big space.
Steve
Were you drifting it and getting the back to snapout a bit on Saturday or did you overcook it and spin? The later situation is when some of the DSC stuff aparently wakes up again.
Do you get it on to Bedford or the like often?
Fancy testing the theory to see what happens?
To see if we have uber bull**** on our hands here
I am going for a drink with him on Friday - so will question him more.
I will also be driving a E46 M3 at the end of the month in Britain. But wont get a chance to push it hard in a big space.
Steve
05 March 2007, 09:29 PM
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I did both, Its easy to drift and gain control out of 2nd gear corners/hairpins but its also easy to drift the faster 3rd gear corners. The problem with controlling the faster corners is winding the lock back off once you want to come out of a corner. I got it right a few times but one time i did'nt and ended up fishtailing up the road and finally into the gravel
currently uploading half a lap on you tube so will post up!
but one time i did'nt and ended up fishtailing up the road and finally into the gravel currently uploading half a lap on you tube so will post up!
05 March 2007, 09:31 PM
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05 March 2007, 09:41 PM
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Thats only as much as i can edit and upload at a time as its taking ages. I've got myself sideways on nearly every corner at some point or another.Nothing brave about that hairpin, i was doing it all day long 
05 March 2007, 10:21 PM
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Exactly, plus a 3 series makes a portly newage wrx look positively light weight. 340 hp my look impressive from a 3litre + engine, but 260 -270 lbft of torque at a wopping 4000rpm+ isn`t that great, the disadvantage of running high power normal aspirated engines. Becase everyone knows it`s power that sells performance cars not torque, And also to confuse the matter torque is now displayed in Nm, not lb/ft, this could be because everyone is going metric , or it could be because you get a bigger number in Nm, thus making your car look quicker than it is, becuase every one knows that 300nm is quicker than 225lb/ft, or is it. And the fact that it will be trying to put down over 150 bhp a wheel when you try and launch it compared to a scoobs 50 - 75 bhp per wheel.
05 March 2007, 10:44 PM
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07 March 2007, 02:49 AM
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I expect I will grow up one day, and drive something like an M3 (for it's quality and ability), but right now, money no object, I would rather have a scoob.
You're probably right though - most scooby owners would take the M3
07 March 2007, 09:29 AM
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I am 40 and prefer the scoobs - no contest. I just like cars for the way they drive - so image never comes into it.
If I had to pull into clients car parks - who were driving similiar cars - I would take the M3
If I had to do big miles on the Autobahn - I would take the M3
If spent a lot of time on the track - Then I would take the M3
But I dont do any of the above at the mo.
So the Scoob wins for me - it puts more of a grin on my face when it comes to everyday driving.
If I had to pull into clients car parks - who were driving similiar cars - I would take the M3
If I had to do big miles on the Autobahn - I would take the M3
If spent a lot of time on the track - Then I would take the M3
But I dont do any of the above at the mo.
So the Scoob wins for me - it puts more of a grin on my face when it comes to everyday driving.
07 March 2007, 11:46 AM
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How come you didn't post the vid of you passing the Scooby first? He must have been letting you pass so he could chase you down instead Only messing....nice vid! Can I ask where did you get the vid camera holder or was it not yours?
He must have been letting you pass so he could chase you down instead Only messing....nice vid! Can I ask where did you get the vid camera holder or was it not yours?
08 March 2007, 01:01 AM
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08 March 2007, 08:01 AM
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LOL
I am writing this from Munich and have just spoken to someone very well informed about BMW E46 M3. As it is his job. This is what he tells me...
Apparently most owners only think the DSC is on or off. But in actual fact it has three settings. 1. On 2. Off (But in actual fact only partialy off - some of the electronic wisardary is still asleep in the background and will activate if the car is really pushed. 3. Totaly Off - This involves holding down the DSC button for a longer period of time - at least 15 seconds (Many owners dont know of this)
So is an excellent bit of technology really.
Cheers
Steve
I am writing this from Munich and have just spoken to someone very well informed about BMW E46 M3. As it is his job. This is what he tells me...
Apparently most owners only think the DSC is on or off. But in actual fact it has three settings. 1. On 2. Off (But in actual fact only partialy off - some of the electronic wisardary is still asleep in the background and will activate if the car is really pushed. 3. Totaly Off - This involves holding down the DSC button for a longer period of time - at least 15 seconds (Many owners dont know of this)
So is an excellent bit of technology really.
Cheers
Steve
DSC is OFF when you push the button to turn it off. There is no further intervention "if really pushed" - I drive mine on the lock-stops and you can't really get any more pushed than that
There isn't anything you can't do (fun wise ) once you've turned it off - so there's nothing to hold the button for 15 seconds for.That's been the case for the M3 and CSL I've owned since 2002
PS, there are 3 settings on the CSL - ON/OFF and an 'inbetween' mode called M-Track, where it allows a little more slide than DSC ON would - but M-Track has it's own button to select it.
08 March 2007, 03:05 PM
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Hi Steve,
DSC is OFF when you push the button to turn it off. There is no further intervention "if really pushed" - I drive mine on the lock-stops and you can't really get any more pushed than that There isn't anything you can't do (fun wise ) once you've turned it off - so there's nothing to hold the button for 15 seconds for.
That's been the case for the M3 and CSL I've owned since 2002
PS, there are 3 settings on the CSL - ON/OFF and an 'inbetween' mode called M-Track, where it allows a little more slide than DSC ON would - but M-Track has it's own button to select it.
DSC is OFF when you push the button to turn it off. There is no further intervention "if really pushed" - I drive mine on the lock-stops and you can't really get any more pushed than that
There isn't anything you can't do (fun wise ) once you've turned it off - so there's nothing to hold the button for 15 seconds for.That's been the case for the M3 and CSL I've owned since 2002
PS, there are 3 settings on the CSL - ON/OFF and an 'inbetween' mode called M-Track, where it allows a little more slide than DSC ON would - but M-Track has it's own button to select it.
Thanks for clearing that up for me fella
As you say you have proved that no aids kick in once the button is off - so looks like my German pal has it wrong.
Steve
08 March 2007, 06:47 PM
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It's 1 test with many variables nothing more, but you seem to trot this out as THE metric of performance, which it isn't. Is this your sole criteria for making a judegement call on the merrits of both cars, you have used it a few times in this thread alone.
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You having a laugh mate, a bloody Lambo Murcielago or Gallardo wouldn't stand a chance against my CBR1000RR Fireblade from 0-180mph, so what chance would a M3 CSL!! 
Just visit this link, they have the Suzuki GSXR1000 on it which is basically the same spec as a Fireblade, compare it against an M3 CSL and see it get destroyed, everything on there will get destroyed bar the Bugatti Veyron.
Quarter Mile Simulator
Just visit this link, they have the Suzuki GSXR1000 on it which is basically the same spec as a Fireblade, compare it against an M3 CSL and see it get destroyed, everything on there will get destroyed bar the Bugatti Veyron.
Quarter Mile Simulator
Yes, but only if you can only go in a straight line !!!
I am talking about the real world with bends etc, including circuits...
Nice if you live in a world of straight lines
14 March 2007, 03:53 AM
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You having a laugh mate, a bloody Lambo Murcielago or Gallardo wouldn't stand a chance against my CBR1000RR Fireblade from 0-180mph, so what chance would a M3 CSL!!
Just visit this link, they have the Suzuki GSXR1000 on it which is basically the same spec as a Fireblade, compare it against an M3 CSL and see it get destroyed, everything on there will get destroyed bar the Bugatti Veyron.
Quarter Mile Simulator
Just visit this link, they have the Suzuki GSXR1000 on it which is basically the same spec as a Fireblade, compare it against an M3 CSL and see it get destroyed, everything on there will get destroyed bar the Bugatti Veyron.
Quarter Mile Simulator
According to that simulator the Veyron gets from 0-60 in 0.9secs and onto the QTR in 6.17secs with a terminal speed of 251mph. Not very accurate is it, numb nuts
DJ Vinyl Ritchie.................Jesus!!! Apollo 13 would struggle to match those figures. Richard Hammond had a go, and look what happened to him
14 March 2007, 11:12 AM
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Best of both World's for straight lines and bends
Also bikes are not as slow as some people think around bends, it just depends on how crazy you are....
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14 March 2007, 10:31 PM
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18 March 2007, 09:41 PM
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I've already got my flame proof pajama's on but i thought i'd add this.
I own a MY94 JDM WRX, decat centre, WRsport backbox, Apexi filter and Z4 ecu. I'd estimate now my coilpacks sorted its probably putting out around 260BHP.
Tonight sitting at a roundabout in the left lane of 3 an '03 M3 came and sat the other side of a van in the right lane. I didn't think much of it but as the lights went amber he shot off across the van onto the 2 lane dual carraigeway ahead. I thought "Sod it" and went after him, although he was about 30yrds ahead. I thought after reading this thread i stood no chance but wanted to find out, i honestly thought he'd be off before i even hit 4k.
Well i not only caught him at about 60, i stayed with him up to about 90 when i overtook him!. I was shocked i caught up, shocked i stayed with him and even more shocked as i changed gear i went past him. He was definately going for it, straight road so not really much about ability.
Anyway he wa in the right lane where i needed to be, so i broke, indicated right and let him past pissing myself laughing in shock. Then as he went off i flashed my lights but i don't think he was too happy.
Call me a liar, say he wasn't really going for it but i know the truth. Sorry to re-start this thread but i had to share it.
I own a MY94 JDM WRX, decat centre, WRsport backbox, Apexi filter and Z4 ecu. I'd estimate now my coilpacks sorted its probably putting out around 260BHP.
Tonight sitting at a roundabout in the left lane of 3 an '03 M3 came and sat the other side of a van in the right lane. I didn't think much of it but as the lights went amber he shot off across the van onto the 2 lane dual carraigeway ahead. I thought "Sod it" and went after him, although he was about 30yrds ahead. I thought after reading this thread i stood no chance but wanted to find out, i honestly thought he'd be off before i even hit 4k.
Well i not only caught him at about 60, i stayed with him up to about 90 when i overtook him!. I was shocked i caught up, shocked i stayed with him and even more shocked as i changed gear i went past him. He was definately going for it, straight road so not really much about ability.
Anyway he wa in the right lane where i needed to be, so i broke, indicated right and let him past pissing myself laughing in shock. Then as he went off i flashed my lights but i don't think he was too happy.
Call me a liar, say he wasn't really going for it but i know the truth. Sorry to re-start this thread but i had to share it.