Aztec Performance Ltd

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https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...highlight=f360

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swtmerce

I couldn't agree more with these points. I have a 300 bhp classic STi and of course it requires my attention when applying speed. On the other hand, I recently had the fantastic opportunity to exercise my friend’s Magnum Engineering AC Cobra (450 lb ft torque and very little weight) and it was hugely demanding. Indeed, it’s too demanding for the road and should really only be opened up on the track. You have to be constantly thinking ahead to understand when you can apply the throttle because when you do, you pile on so much speed so quickly that you have to let off before you know it! Driving this car brought into perspective the fact that I don’t want mega power out of my Scoob – maybe just bring it up to 330/330

wrx 'n' chips

I would say that once you get to about 320BHP, you would be better spending the extra dosh on weight-saving techniques, handling improvements or even driving courses.

There is a guy near me - who owns a lightened 320BHP sti - he has spent a lot of time on the track etc - learning his car's capabilities and he scares the **** out of his passengers - guaranteed. (me included and i drive a 300bhp/tonne westfield sei like i stole it!)

For the additional BIG cost from 320BHP to say 450 / 500 and associated reliability issues - i don't believe the difference in performance is worth it.

RB5_245

I don't know if it's worth the cost or effort, but for some people it just has to be done.

Dave

GazTheHat

I guess to some extent, like someone previously said, it would be nice to say "four hundred horse power".

In reality, probably different to own & drive. I'll let you know after the Stage 2 18g whether it "just has to be done".

RB5_245

:crylol: I thought the limits of a TD04 would be fine.. Then a VF35 would do the job, then I went for a 20G instead of a 16G 'Just in case' now the 20G will be off the car soon enough.

I think there needs to be some sort of group similar to alcholics annonymous for this ailment

Dave

The Chief

When i bought mine i promised myself a back box and thats it.

Well after 2 grands worth of tuning i can honestly say one thing.

'No matter what it will never be enough'

GazTheHat

There is, and you're posting on it

GazTheHat

I made that promise too, when going to 333-style conversion. "Honestly love, it will be the car i've dreamed of".

It was great, but on the drive home i was thinking what the next stage would be like and would be as big of a difference.

I very much doubt i'll go past Stage 2. I don't think i could possibly drive any faster, with my ability, road conditions, traffic etc. No-one wants a point n' squirt car.

AlanG

That's one of the problems, with this much power, all those straights you've been used to are now very very short.
Whereas before with less power, you could put your foot down and feel your car building up speed as it went, then brake for a bend, now you're only on full throttle for a matter of a few seconds before you have to press the brakes for bends, yet now, you find you are pressing the brakes a lot harder, just because of the sheer speed obtained in the same distance.

Same as BOB'5 Straight cut synchro on 1-4. Is great on the back roads, yet civilised when on motorway.

Steve Whitehorn

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Have to totaly agree. I Personaly think around 300-320bhp ish is all you need for the road. After that the extra power tends to become a bit unusable in most road situations. The car would be be become quicker in the real world if you chucked the money at the brakes, handling mods and at driver training.
(Once a car is quick the driver ability becomes thé main determining factor)

Obviously on the track - there is alot of point to bigger power. Also I am not knocking the people who chuck money at getting big BHP - respect . Must be a good sense of achievement to see the power gains.

What a great thread - by the way - what scoobnet should be all about
Steve

P20SPD

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Pretty much as Alan, i probably have at least £20k's worth of parts on my car as it stands in current spec, but have probably spent double that getting there.

Fecking stupid when you think about it!

£2k will just about buy you some good brakes and wheels needed to cover the brakes, just so the car can slow down as Alan describes.

I have driven some of my friends cars (subarus) down roads i know like the back of my hand, and positvely scared the sh!te out of them, just from speed. None of those people will go in my car, unless its on a nice flat straight road.

I took someone out in David Wallis car about this time last year, with my PPG Synchro gearbox on, and he was all manly "they cant be that fast, etc, etc" After my dad convinced me to show him 1st hand, and david agreed, i drove out up the road 1.25 miles, round the roundabout and back. Now this is on a dead straight road, super smooth, no hidden access roads, etc, and he was like a quivering wreck!

Some of you will ahve been to Scooby Shoot Out when they did the 1.25mile top speed section from a standing start. Heres a run down of roughly what sort of speeds cars achieve in that distance, subject to wings, head wind etc.

Standard 130~140
250~300 140~150
300~350 150~160
350~400 160~170

Not bad you may think, now watch this Lateral Performance 0-194.8 in 1 Mile at TOTB 5 - Google Video which is me driving the Lateral Performance car at TOTB this year, where i achieved 194.8mph in 1 mile!! At the 1/4mile mark i was doing 136mph.

Relevance? Imagine trying to accelerate like that on your favourite B road, that has a decent straight section, with enclosed hedges, undulating tarmac, potholes etc!

It's a total different concept, you find yumps that were never there before, your skipping as it brakes, because you still going that fast, you have put 50 different steering corrections in over the last 1/2 mile, trying but failing to keep it in a true straight line!

One day, i will put the camera in the car

GazTheHat

And i think we'll all lOOk forward to that.

By the sounds of it, you've got a truly awesome car, but at the same time a widow-maker.

David_Wallis

Out of all the cars I have driven in anger, I think stevens feels the easiest to control, It also has 18" wheels opposed to my 17"'s Not that I have ever pushed stevens anywhere other than a straight line due to the arch rub

From my point of view from having a std scoob in 2001 ~ 208bhp then getting 345bhp (Which pretty much the only other people around that level was andyf) 345bhp was about right in a light car on a dry day.

Hindsight now I would say a well set up 400bhp and 400lbft with a nicely shaped flat grap is the way to go..

My car (old one actually) made more power at 3000 rpm than a std impreza, and bear in mind it hasnt come on boost at that point!

When they do come on boost you Need to hang on.. I put no effort into driving my mondeo, but You need 110% with a 600bhp car. To be fair steven's driving doesnt bother me, other road users do!!

My main problem is that circa 600bhp just wasnt enough!! My knees were no longer shaking when I got out of the car..

so:



Would I recommend it to anyone?

No, its pointless, over 500 is wasted on the road. Fine in a race car, not in a road car.

David

P20SPD

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My knees are quivering at the thought of someday driving your car with that turbo on

I nearly did that in my 2nd scoob, at that tought me a valuable lesson, respect the car AND the road!

That also can sum it up, dropping your concentration from 95% to 90% in a 350bhp scoob, whilst accelerating flat out, wont cause too much of a problem. Dropping from 110% to 109% could have disastrous affects.

David, wheres them videos you had of someone driving your car on B and C roads?

nadirv8

Im not a scoob owner but I am impressed! had 2 recent little bouts with Subaru's in my TVR Cerbera. The first with the WR1 on '02 plate. Saw him give a little stick down a duel carriageway... so followed. Caught up (cos he wasnt going all out) and we both shop off the roundabout. He went ahead first (prob 60yds) and wasnt till I was 5500rpm in 3rd that I caught up and overtook. It looked unmodified too - well impressive.
Although more impressive was the one inside the town with loads of long corners! That modified WRX got loads of grip down and slowly overtook and i was left struggling like a plum to keep the rear end from spinning out. It was a game of overtaken on the corner - back up at the straight. Got to say tho that the scoob came out tops. Roads a little wet and too many corners for the Tiv. Fair play! just wish i had 4wd.

Moral of the story... DAM YOU SCOOBIES!

hypoluxa

Very much agree, with over 100hp less then what it used to have my car is actually quicker down my favourite B roads. Application is the key.

Yeah, after a couple of miles you feel like having a cuppa & a ***, rather than wanting to attack the next ‘section’. Scary rather than fun.

True, as long as you discount those who had 50hp more

stevebt

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im still undecided on wether or not to take mine up to those dizzy heights, but since i have all the parts and the engine in place it really seems rude not too

andythejock01wrx

What's the power and weight of your TVR ?

Anyway, I reckon a few folk on here would be more than happy with your TVR !

andythejock01wrx

Absolutely Steve !

AlanG

Very true.
On one occasion after i'd had a scare, i drove home along one of my favourite roads at a pretty slow pace, opened the garage door, put the car in and as i was shutting the door, i said to it (sad i know..)
"*you're* either gonna jail me, or kill me".
Never looked at it for 3 weeks, just wasn't interested, before i took it back out again. It just didn't seem like fun anymore, i'd created a monster that was too much for my capabilities on road. I'm slowly getting back to enjoying it the way i'm meant to now, but there's always a niggling doubt in the back of my mind that somethings going to happen.

See? This is the human curiosity bit again.
Go for it Steve.
Just remember, you only regret things you didn't do in life.

Dazza01

My Uk classic is pushing 383bhp / 365ft lbs but ive still got the weak uk box attached to it so not doing too many luanches off at the lights, but when (Santa) i got get me a 6sp in their im hoping to go over 400

P20SPD

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Alan, its alright, i have said similar things. In fact, after having a bad weekend on cars last week, as i left, i looked at it sat in the barn covered in dust, and said "and you can **** off aswell"

I was a very cautious individual untill my potential widowmaking incident (still am a little cautious), my view on life changed, to if you fancy having a go at something, go for it. I havent regretted anything i have done since.

David_Wallis

http://www.wallis2000.co.uk/videos/bump.mpg

http://www.wallis2000.co.uk/videos/bumpy.mpg

new boy

links wont work for me david?

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David_Wallis

Spot on.

David_Wallis

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bigsinky

yes. about 550 BHP. terminal spped at quarters are 135mph. really too fast for the road now. I just pootle about everywhere with just the odd blast. bikes mostly now, i have surprised a few. Plan to get a run around and use the scoob for drag racing only. cost.........erm.........you don't want to know

RMA26

It must scare the ****e out of you sometimes? having that much power on the road?

David - What events are you planning on entering next year? would love to see your car in the flesh

David_Wallis

RMA26,

Time attack, track days, drag days and road use

If your around leeds, then your welcome to come have a look at the new one.