are all impreza drivers paranoid?
13 April 2006, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
My work here is done 
The major point I feel is that it is a vastly overrrated car in many aspects. Partly through fault of journos talking out oftheir *****, partly through over enthustiatic owners smelling the coffee and realising that 0-60 times and peak BHP does not really mean "that" much. And finally the cars lack of overall feel and the various shortcommings in handling, brakes, performance, as well as spec. Leaving a slight resentment of their choice of vehicle, accompanied by the endless need to "upgrade" and modify to try and make it "right"
Why do I still have mine? Well, I just can't be arsed with cars anymore to bother with the hassel of buying selling and trawling the area to find another car. I have much more important personal matters that needs to be addressed so I can't waste time brooding over insignificant boxes of pressed metal.
Now excuse me, I have a Kawasaki H1 engine that needs fettling with
The major point I feel is that it is a vastly overrrated car in many aspects. Partly through fault of journos talking out oftheir *****, partly through over enthustiatic owners smelling the coffee and realising that 0-60 times and peak BHP does not really mean "that" much. And finally the cars lack of overall feel and the various shortcommings in handling, brakes, performance, as well as spec. Leaving a slight resentment of their choice of vehicle, accompanied by the endless need to "upgrade" and modify to try and make it "right"
Why do I still have mine? Well, I just can't be arsed with cars anymore to bother with the hassel of buying selling and trawling the area to find another car. I have much more important personal matters that needs to be addressed so I can't waste time brooding over insignificant boxes of pressed metal.
Now excuse me, I have a Kawasaki H1 engine that needs fettling with
I think the reason people tend to modify the Scoob is because it is both easy to work on and because they haven't had to spend the earth buying the car in the first place. I for one would much prefer to spend a "relatively" small amount on a car and develop it as I wish rather than splash out 2-3 times as much and then find I can't live with any weaknesses.
Finally, anyone who believes that wearing a leather romper suit and being referred to as a "Donor" is hardly in a position to try and pass judgement on a group of like-minded individuals such as Scooby owners!
13 April 2006, 10:46 AM
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My lad doesn't even give a second glance to the more established "performance" cars such a the Porsche. Besides, why would I wnat to pay three times the price for only marginally improved performance?
There is more to owning a car than outright performance and handling. The extra cost is in making the rest of the car as outstanding as the performance.
If it was otherwise, we'd all be driving Caterhams etc.......
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13 April 2006, 12:01 PM
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I don't give a **** about people having digs at me about my car. I've got a bug eye WRX after owning a classic and I love it to death. The quirky looks are what makes the car for me. And although everyone claims that it is so ugly and is the crappest model of Impreza, its the only recent one to win a WRC title so as far as I'm concerned its not a bad machine.
For me the fact that I enjoy getting into my car every day is worth all the money in the world, there's nothing worse thatn hating getting into your car and wanting something else.
Granted, a Porsche or Lambo could kick my *** on a track (some tracks ),
but for round town and real world driving for me there is no other car with such a complete package, as said earlier its got the 4 seats, a huge boot and will take me wherever I want to go quickly, and more importantly, I have FUN when I'm doing it.
Some of the guys on here who have nothing good to say about the Impreza, maybe you should be looking for a new place to go and bitch. Coz quite frankly its boring me.
For me the fact that I enjoy getting into my car every day is worth all the money in the world, there's nothing worse thatn hating getting into your car and wanting something else.
Granted, a Porsche or Lambo could kick my *** on a track (some tracks
), but for round town and real world driving for me there is no other car with such a complete package, as said earlier its got the 4 seats, a huge boot and will take me wherever I want to go quickly, and more importantly, I have FUN when I'm doing it.
Some of the guys on here who have nothing good to say about the Impreza, maybe you should be looking for a new place to go and bitch. Coz quite frankly its boring me.
13 April 2006, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by scooby222
just had a look down the listings and feel rather sad about the number of 'are imprezas crap' type of threads.
as far as i can see theres not a lot of people who bought them because they were the prettiest cars, the classic sold so well bacause it was a fantastic drive regardless of the looks and interior.
the new age still arent the prettiest and are more mainstream i suppose but are still capable of scaring stuff two or three times their cost and still cost enough to run that only the comitted or well off tend to last more than ten or twelve months
which brings me back to my original point,why are there so many people on an impreza forum picking apart imprezas?
i guess theyre either transitional owners, people who buy cars for their image or who can afford to buy a car they dont like and leave it sitting in the garage, so heres to all the others who just appreciate what a fun, fast and capable car they have on their driveway regardless of who else drives one.
as far as i can see theres not a lot of people who bought them because they were the prettiest cars, the classic sold so well bacause it was a fantastic drive regardless of the looks and interior.
the new age still arent the prettiest and are more mainstream i suppose but are still capable of scaring stuff two or three times their cost and still cost enough to run that only the comitted or well off tend to last more than ten or twelve months
which brings me back to my original point,why are there so many people on an impreza forum picking apart imprezas?
i guess theyre either transitional owners, people who buy cars for their image or who can afford to buy a car they dont like and leave it sitting in the garage, so heres to all the others who just appreciate what a fun, fast and capable car they have on their driveway regardless of who else drives one.
13 April 2006, 01:21 PM
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"Overrated" you claim? I'd be interested in knowing the list of cars which offer conservatively over 200bhp, 0-60 times well below 6 seconds, 4wd stability and Japanese levels of reliability?
It's NOT about 0-60 and BHP, reliability or the magazine reviews that overrated them. Anyone can get 200bhp+ from a 2.0 engine by strapping on a Turbo, intercooler and dropping the Compression to 8.5:1 (most manufactures have the common sense to keep the compression up to 9.5:1 to keep a wider power band and off boost response, if anyone bothered to look). Stability? Ha, look in the "driver's dynamics" section about snap overseer, if you've not experienced it, you haven't driven a Subaru, yes others cars have handling quirks. But it's something that nobody wants on a car that has the initial tendency to understeer, making a driver feel overconfident that such thing will not happen.
Reliability? It's a car, all cars can and will go wrong, especially if used hard it's a game of chance and probability based on usage conditions more so than the country of origin. And there is evidence to suggest that the reliability again, is overrated, especially on cars that have seen a hard life. Not to mention the cost of running just for basic maintenance and the over the top pricing of parts if it does go wrong.
And in these days of PlayBoxStations it's nice to see your car given the thumbs up by the younger generation. My lad doesn't even give a second glance to the more established "performance" cars such a the Porsche. Besides, why would I wnat to pay three times the price for only marginally improved performance?
It's a cheap fast car based on a relatively standard saloon chassis. If nobody forgets that, then there wouldn't be the need for this thread. The problem start when people think it's much more than that when it clearly isn't and start getting all **** about it. Yes it can sniff the ***** of Porkers and the likes. But don't think for one minute your getting the same feel, feedback, or fast response from the laggy turbo, the over-assisted excessively geared "numb" steering, wishy washy brakes and the constant wonder if the rear end will snap back when it does start to drift out on you.
That is the price of having a car that was initially outlined as a hum drum shopping trolley - compromise (refer to the Impreza 1.6GL
). If you recall the cars humble origin, you'll admire what it can do but also understand its compromises and limitations.
I think the reason people tend to modify the Scoob is because it is both easy to work on and because they haven't had to spend the earth buying the car in the first place. I for one would much prefer to spend a "relatively" small amount on a car and develop it as I wish rather than splash out 2-3 times as much and then find I can't live with any weaknesses.
I could also harp on about modifications that are completely needless. But I think that's covered in every chav/lax power thread ever made. Running around in denial is fine as long as it's kept to oneself. But start preaching to masses your always going to get someone who can't resist the urge to correct that person on the closed minded belief.
Finally, anyone who believes that wearing a leather romper suit and being referred to as a "Donor" is hardly in a position to try and pass judgement on a group of like-minded individuals such as Scooby owners!
Well, I do not have a power ranger suit of any description. Such clothing would not suit the collection of 1940's to 1970's bikes that I currently have in restoration.Dressing up as biggles would probably be a more appropriate "look"
Everyone knows that there is always a need to adhere to a fashion of a certain vehicle. Like traditional Impreza drivers seem to be overweight or big boned persona with a distinct lack of hair. Or the more younger owners being the skinny baseball cap wearing variety. Oh how petty this could become if it boiled down to “looks”
So to end and summarise this wonderful literary jostle
:Good all round car...but not brilliant, and far from a "drivers" perfection out the box. End of.
13 April 2006, 01:48 PM
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I owned a MY99 DBM 5 door for 3 years from new and apart from regular servicing and tyres I never spend a penny on it. God I loved that car....
Then mummy-in-law came to live with us and I needed 6 seats. So I swapped it for a new shape Grand Espace. What a piece of ****. I could live with it if it didn't fall to bits and conk out all the time!
So, the M-I-L has now moved out again and I've just swapped the Espace for a 54reg 5 door with PPP and only 6000 miles.
Happy as a pig in **** with it but I have noticed that I want to modify it! I think I want to make it mine. Were not talking huge mods but subtle changes and tweeks.
I've driven various BMW's M3's but I prefer the Scoobs everytime.
They just seem to fit me perfectly.
Then mummy-in-law came to live with us and I needed 6 seats. So I swapped it for a new shape Grand Espace. What a piece of ****. I could live with it if it didn't fall to bits and conk out all the time!
So, the M-I-L has now moved out again and I've just swapped the Espace for a 54reg 5 door with PPP and only 6000 miles.
Happy as a pig in **** with it but I have noticed that I want to modify it! I think I want to make it mine. Were not talking huge mods but subtle changes and tweeks.
I've driven various BMW's M3's but I prefer the Scoobs everytime.
They just seem to fit me perfectly.
13 April 2006, 09:12 PM
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ive had imprezas for six years now,two classics and now an 05 sti ppp and each year i spend around three quarters of my income on paying for,insuring servicing and mostly fuelling them. il freely admit that theyre well and truly under my skin
im more than happy to admit that theyre not perfect but neither is my girlfriend and i guess thats part of what i love about them both
ive driven an awful lot of things from the fast to the crap and 4x4s and i just love anything with wheels(hell last year i drove 700 miles in a day in an auto dodge neon without needing comitted afterwards) and one of the most well put together, feelsome balanced cars was a 330d sport, just beautiful but too perfect and bland for my tastes.
of actual practical cars ive only found two more fun than imprezas, a clio 182 and the new RS4. although there is a certain joy to be had from making an l200 pickup stick to the back of a repmobile on a twisty road
and as far as rwd sports/performance cars go if you can go from inverness to fort william in december quicker than a 4wd rally rep your a better/braver man than me!
im more than happy to admit that theyre not perfect but neither is my girlfriend
and i guess thats part of what i love about them bothive driven an awful lot of things from the fast to the crap and 4x4s and i just love anything with wheels(hell last year i drove 700 miles in a day in an auto dodge neon without needing comitted afterwards) and one of the most well put together, feelsome balanced cars was a 330d sport, just beautiful but too perfect and bland for my tastes.
of actual practical cars ive only found two more fun than imprezas, a clio 182 and the new RS4. although there is a certain joy to be had from making an l200 pickup stick to the back of a repmobile on a twisty road
and as far as rwd sports/performance cars go if you can go from inverness to fort william in december quicker than a 4wd rally rep your a better/braver man than me!
14 April 2006, 02:06 PM
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I find it moderatly amusing the likes of Ali are slating a car on its serious FLAWS in its handling etc, what exact speed do you drive around her majesty's roads sir? I think you must be one of those grumpy old men on TV, never happy unless your bitching about something. The impreza is a great car, can compete performance wise with cars 3-4 times its price. Its got space can be practical and is very fast. I think you are trying to make the point that some people on scoobynet think the impreza is the best car in the world ever made blah blah...we all know its not, its'slike any other car has its failings, i dont understand your point on highlighting supposed handling flaws which tbh with you are only exposed if you drive much faster than the speed limit on the roads or stupidly quick round sharp bends you shouldnt be going hell for leather round anyway.
I have driven many fast cars and the scooby i can safely say is the easiest fast car I have ever had to drive and also feels the safest, thats my personal pov of course, im sure you wont agree there are always better arent there
yes some owners modify there scoobys, to the average Jo these mods are not needed, how many drive a scooby 80mph round a hairpin on the roads?? ok some of us may have tried
its not a neccessity and is of course illegal, if you are using your car for track racing fine different argument, we are talking about a fast, great handling, practical road car at a reasonable price, which in turn for a few extra quids can be modded to be even quicker, to me a great package. I think the likes of you Ali need to be a little less ****
I have driven many fast cars and the scooby i can safely say is the easiest fast car I have ever had to drive and also feels the safest, thats my personal pov of course, im sure you wont agree there are always better arent there
yes some owners modify there scoobys, to the average Jo these mods are not needed, how many drive a scooby 80mph round a hairpin on the roads?? ok some of us may have tried
its not a neccessity and is of course illegal, if you are using your car for track racing fine different argument, we are talking about a fast, great handling, practical road car at a reasonable price, which in turn for a few extra quids can be modded to be even quicker, to me a great package. I think the likes of you Ali need to be a little less ****
14 April 2006, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by STI Craig
one day ill have me £150,000 for my austin martin tho lol
And who's this martin you're talking to
14 April 2006, 02:40 PM
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I love my impreza, Recently considered swapping for a early 996 C2 or a TVR tuscan.
Kept the scoob though, don't want to look like a poser. coming up on 4yrs ownership now and may more to come.
Snap oversteer.. what, do you just twist the steering wheel side to side and stamp on all the pedals randomly It's as responsive as any modern car gets (which are all pretty crap really)
Kept the scoob though, don't want to look like a poser. coming up on 4yrs ownership now and may more to come.
Snap oversteer.. what, do you just twist the steering wheel side to side and stamp on all the pedals randomly
It's as responsive as any modern car gets (which are all pretty crap really)
14 April 2006, 03:02 PM
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i cant resist it any longer !
it all depends, and you know u guys and girls that know who can be rulled out like me also. On their tolerance levels of the high amounts of weed they smoke lol
it all depends, and you know u guys and girls that know who can be rulled out like me also. On their tolerance levels of the high amounts of weed they smoke lol
Originally Posted by davidpa
im feel im going to love this thread. i think me sitting on the fence and watch will be fun lol
14 April 2006, 03:54 PM
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u love it enough if you had a swap for a ferrari lol
i dont think so. i would snap his hand off for a ferrari lol
but im not comparing like for like am i lol
oh dear. im going to get flammed. sensible people only understand me
i dont think so. i would snap his hand off for a ferrari lol
but im not comparing like for like am i lol
oh dear. im going to get flammed. sensible people only understand me
Originally Posted by RB5_245
I love my impreza, Recently considered swapping for a early 996 C2 or a TVR tuscan.
Kept the scoob though, don't want to look like a poser. coming up on 4yrs ownership now and may more to come.
Snap oversteer.. what, do you just twist the steering wheel side to side and stamp on all the pedals randomly It's as responsive as any modern car gets (which are all pretty crap really)
Kept the scoob though, don't want to look like a poser. coming up on 4yrs ownership now and may more to come.
Snap oversteer.. what, do you just twist the steering wheel side to side and stamp on all the pedals randomly
It's as responsive as any modern car gets (which are all pretty crap really)
14 April 2006, 05:16 PM
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Snap oversteer.. what, do you just twist the steering wheel side to side and stamp on all the pedals randomly It's as responsive as any modern car gets (which are all pretty crap really)
Even has a nice video of some poor fellow doing it on the safe confines of a track....but bear in mind it can happen on MUCH LOWER speeds. Adverse cambers are a great way to promote it.
For the information on a personal level, I have had it happen at much lower speeds that of the national speed limit. At worse as low as 35mph - so less of the accusations of using excess speed to any person implying it as such
And Ally, there are people here who do not show any modesty with their car. To them, It's the better than anything else on the road. End of. That is the people that I'm aiming at. And there many who show this trait (yawn). So implying they do not exist is contridictory to many threads that exist here.
14 April 2006, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
I think this thread will sum it up---> http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...snap+oversteer
Even has a nice video of some poor fellow doing it on the safe confines of a track....but bear in mind it can happen on MUCH LOWER speeds. Adverse cambers are a great way to promote it.
For the information on a personal level, I have had it happen at much lower speeds that of the national speed limit. At worse as low as 35mph - so less of the accusations of using excess speed to any person implying it as such
And Ally, there are people here who do not show any modesty with their car. To them, It's the better than anything else on the road. End of. That is the people that I'm aiming at. And there many who show this trait (yawn). So implying they do not exist is contridictory to many threads that exist here.
Even has a nice video of some poor fellow doing it on the safe confines of a track....but bear in mind it can happen on MUCH LOWER speeds. Adverse cambers are a great way to promote it.
For the information on a personal level, I have had it happen at much lower speeds that of the national speed limit. At worse as low as 35mph - so less of the accusations of using excess speed to any person implying it as such
And Ally, there are people here who do not show any modesty with their car. To them, It's the better than anything else on the road. End of. That is the people that I'm aiming at. And there many who show this trait (yawn). So implying they do not exist is contridictory to many threads that exist here.
Calm down Ali dearest! Methinks your issues lie with the drivers of Imprezas as opposed to the car itself. Be objective is it the car or some of the owners hmm?
Maz
14 April 2006, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by davidpa
u love it enough if you had a swap for a ferrari lol
i dont think so. i would snap his hand off for a ferrari lol
but im not comparing like for like am i lol
oh dear. im going to get flammed. sensible people only understand me
i dont think so. i would snap his hand off for a ferrari lol
but im not comparing like for like am i lol
oh dear. im going to get flammed. sensible people only understand me
From the things I could afford, the RB is probably the cheapest I would have, and by the fact I still have it means in my eyes it's the better car.
From the day I test drove it to now, no other (road) car has given me that much satisfaction.
IMO people who slate the impreza drive and handling could do with some lesons, particularly if you're suffering snap oversteer. The you're way over your limits.
14 April 2006, 07:20 PM
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Absolutely fairplay for being sensible in your reply.
And I totally agree with your point of view. In your eyes its the car you want. Hence, your passion with the "from the day I test drove it to now"
Yes, I agree with you on my driving its pants lol
But fairplay for a reply that gets full respect from me.
And I totally agree with your point of view. In your eyes its the car you want. Hence, your passion with the "from the day I test drove it to now"
Yes, I agree with you on my driving its pants lol
But fairplay for a reply that gets full respect from me.
Originally Posted by RB5_245
Completely Irrelevant! lol, why should I compare it to cars I cant afford? my ideal car would be a ferrari 308, but couldn't look after one properly otherwise I would have one
From the things I could afford, the RB is probably the cheapest I would have, and by the fact I still have it means in my eyes it's the better car.
From the day I test drove it to now, no other (road) car has given me that much satisfaction.
IMO people who slate the impreza drive and handling could do with some lesons, particularly if you're suffering snap oversteer. The you're way over your limits.
From the things I could afford, the RB is probably the cheapest I would have, and by the fact I still have it means in my eyes it's the better car.
From the day I test drove it to now, no other (road) car has given me that much satisfaction.
IMO people who slate the impreza drive and handling could do with some lesons, particularly if you're suffering snap oversteer. The you're way over your limits.
14 April 2006, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by banny sti
Calm down Ali dearest! Methinks your issues lie with the drivers of Imprezas as opposed to the car itself. Be objective is it the car or some of the owners hmm?
Maz
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(I'm with eSure)No, seriously there is a trait there in the handling. I'm not saying in every lairy moment it will snap. But what I am saying is it does have a tendency. Normally upon correction of large amounts of oversteer.
I'm lucky (or experienced? ) enough to catch it when it swings back. But when you have very limited road space to do this in. It is not wanted in the slightest. Again I need to reiterate it has happened on roads where the speed is very low indeed, so it is not just confined to hooligans driving too fast for the conditions.
The particular examples in the thread would be driver induced. But how do you know yourdriving won't cause the same eh?
But it does show what "can" happen.Subaru must be aware of it - as they wouldn't use rubber drop links on the ARBs, which I suspect this is in attempt to "soften" the sudden weight transfer. Whereas many other performance saloon cars negate the need for them (or even no ARB at all) and don't have any snap back problems at all, or if they do, they are much more progressive and "catchable" than that of the Impreza.
Anyway, overall this is just one negative reason. There are many other reason to coincide with this. I have blurted them all out in one thread or another some time back....that is if anyone cares to trawl that up and continue the debate
As for the owners who are defiant in their beliefs? Well I do have an opinion of them. But I feel I should reserve such viewpoints for some other time. (when I don't own one myself
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14 April 2006, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
I am calm dear (I'm with eSure)
No, seriously there is a trait there in the handling. I'm not saying in every lairy moment it will snap. But what I am saying is it does have a tendency. Normally upon correction of large amounts of oversteer.
I'm lucky (or experienced? ) enough to catch it when it swings back. But when you have very limited road space to do this in. It is not wanted in the slightest. Again I need to reiterate it has happened on roads where the speed is very low indeed, so it is not just confined to hooligans driving too fast for the conditions.
The particular examples in the thread would be driver induced. But how do you know yourdriving won't cause the same eh? But it does show what "can" happen.
Subaru must be aware of it - as they wouldn't use rubber drop links on the ARBs, which I suspect this is in attempt to "soften" the sudden weight transfer. Whereas many other performance saloon cars negate the need for them (or even no ARB at all) and don't have any snap back problems at all, or if they do, they are much more progressive and "catchable" than that of the Impreza.
Anyway, overall this is just one negative reason. There are many other reason to coincide with this. I have blurted them all out in one thread or another some time back....that is if anyone cares to trawl that up and continue the debate
As for the owners who are defiant in their beliefs? Well I do have an opinion of them. But I feel I should reserve such viewpoints for some other time. (when I don't own one myself )
(I'm with eSure)No, seriously there is a trait there in the handling. I'm not saying in every lairy moment it will snap. But what I am saying is it does have a tendency. Normally upon correction of large amounts of oversteer.
I'm lucky (or experienced? ) enough to catch it when it swings back. But when you have very limited road space to do this in. It is not wanted in the slightest. Again I need to reiterate it has happened on roads where the speed is very low indeed, so it is not just confined to hooligans driving too fast for the conditions.
The particular examples in the thread would be driver induced. But how do you know yourdriving won't cause the same eh?
But it does show what "can" happen.Subaru must be aware of it - as they wouldn't use rubber drop links on the ARBs, which I suspect this is in attempt to "soften" the sudden weight transfer. Whereas many other performance saloon cars negate the need for them (or even no ARB at all) and don't have any snap back problems at all, or if they do, they are much more progressive and "catchable" than that of the Impreza.
Anyway, overall this is just one negative reason. There are many other reason to coincide with this. I have blurted them all out in one thread or another some time back....that is if anyone cares to trawl that up and continue the debate
As for the owners who are defiant in their beliefs? Well I do have an opinion of them. But I feel I should reserve such viewpoints for some other time. (when I don't own one myself
)
14 April 2006, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Well, I think they are GREAT!!!!
Some buy one and then change it - which is the stupidest thing that happens on planet earth - why not buy the car you actually WANT, rather than a car you don't want and change it???????
So, the modifiers hate their standard Impreza and therefore the hatred shines through ......
Plenty of people buy them and cherish them as Subaru meant for them to be owned and run .......
Pete
Some buy one and then change it - which is the stupidest thing that happens on planet earth - why not buy the car you actually WANT, rather than a car you don't want and change it???????
So, the modifiers hate their standard Impreza and therefore the hatred shines through ......
Plenty of people buy them and cherish them as Subaru meant for them to be owned and run .......
Pete
Can you imagine a meet where 50 Silver UK WRX saloons (all unmodded) turned up? (nothing against those - just picked something at random before you flame me!)
Fun!
Err nice car mate
Err so is yours - so.... what radio station do you listen to then?
Wow nice smell, where did you get that air freshener?
Oh my God - everyone - lynch him, he's modified his car!! That's not an original set of wipers!!
A standard unmodified Impreza is a nice car - but if you have a bit of spare cash it can be made much, much better. I haven't spent that much on mine but it really is totally different now. And no it hasn't blown up yet......
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AliB - I understand your POV, basically saying some owners think their scoobs are the be all and end all and i do agree with you some do... BUT...this trait of snap steering Im sorry.. even Im just lucky..or I'm a turd driver ( highly possible ) I really dont know what trait you are implying here...you say it seems to happen at 'LOW speeds' what exact world of Low speeds are you talking about????? I have driven my sti for the last 6 months, its factory std with PPP I have never experienced what you are talking about...I presume you are describing the car goes to understeer then the power is then transferred to the rear wheels to correct to give immediate oversteer?...well if so I say again if you are driving at 30mph or i.e the speed limit this isnt going to happen, certainly hasnt to me..are you driving round hairpins at the speed limit then? like 60 mph on a national speed limit one carriageway country lane? if so again I say you are being picky about this? I used to drive a heavily modded 200sx I knew I should not go into corners and boot it round in narrow lanes and expect my well engineered 'fault free' nissan to deal with it! you seem to me again describing a characteristic brought on by extreme driving in condtions you shouldnt driving so damn fast!...
I used to drive a 306gti6 peugeot that had a tendency to understeer then powerslide then flip a 360 only when put through extreme testing, is that a failing in design? no its driving like idiot
I am familiar enough when my scoob understeers I slow down! it is going so damn fast by this point anyway compared to other cars you are quite honestly a **** if you carry on flooring it on the legal highway, as I said before to you if its track day performance you are discussing different argument and one Id agree with maybe, but for driving on the highways i dont.
) I really dont know what trait you are implying here...you say it seems to happen at 'LOW speeds' what exact world of Low speeds are you talking about????? I have driven my sti for the last 6 months, its factory std with PPP I have never experienced what you are talking about...I presume you are describing the car goes to understeer then the power is then transferred to the rear wheels to correct to give immediate oversteer?...well if so I say again if you are driving at 30mph or i.e the speed limit this isnt going to happen, certainly hasnt to me..are you driving round hairpins at the speed limit then? like 60 mph on a national speed limit one carriageway country lane? if so again I say you are being picky about this? I used to drive a heavily modded 200sx I knew I should not go into corners and boot it round in narrow lanes and expect my well engineered 'fault free' nissan to deal with it! you seem to me again describing a characteristic brought on by extreme driving in condtions you shouldnt driving so damn fast!...I used to drive a 306gti6 peugeot that had a tendency to understeer then powerslide then flip a 360 only when put through extreme testing, is that a failing in design? no its driving like idiot
I am familiar enough when my scoob understeers I slow down! it is going so damn fast by this point anyway compared to other cars you are quite honestly a **** if you carry on flooring it on the legal highway, as I said before to you if its track day performance you are discussing different argument and one Id agree with maybe, but for driving on the highways i dont.
15 April 2006, 03:57 PM
#57
Originally Posted by AllyJ
AliB - I understand your POV, basically saying some owners think their scoobs are the be all and end all and i do agree with you some do... BUT...this trait of snap steering Im sorry.. even Im just lucky..or I'm a turd driver ( highly possible ) I really dont know what trait you are implying here...you say it seems to happen at 'LOW speeds' what exact world of Low speeds are you talking about????? I have driven my sti for the last 6 months, its factory std with PPP I have never experienced what you are talking about...I presume you are describing the car goes to understeer then the power is then transferred to the rear wheels to correct to give immediate oversteer?...well if so I say again if you are driving at 30mph or i.e the speed limit this isnt going to happen, certainly hasnt to me..are you driving round hairpins at the speed limit then? like 60 mph on a national speed limit one carriageway country lane? if so again I say you are being picky about this? I used to drive a heavily modded 200sx I knew I should not go into corners and boot it round in narrow lanes and expect my well engineered 'fault free' nissan to deal with it! you seem to me again describing a characteristic brought on by extreme driving in condtions you shouldnt driving so damn fast!...
I used to drive a 306gti6 peugeot that had a tendency to understeer then powerslide then flip a 360 only when put through extreme testing, is that a failing in design? no its driving like idiot
I am familiar enough when my scoob understeers I slow down! it is going so damn fast by this point anyway compared to other cars you are quite honestly a **** if you carry on flooring it on the legal highway, as I said before to you if its track day performance you are discussing different argument and one Id agree with maybe, but for driving on the highways i dont.
) I really dont know what trait you are implying here...you say it seems to happen at 'LOW speeds' what exact world of Low speeds are you talking about????? I have driven my sti for the last 6 months, its factory std with PPP I have never experienced what you are talking about...I presume you are describing the car goes to understeer then the power is then transferred to the rear wheels to correct to give immediate oversteer?...well if so I say again if you are driving at 30mph or i.e the speed limit this isnt going to happen, certainly hasnt to me..are you driving round hairpins at the speed limit then? like 60 mph on a national speed limit one carriageway country lane? if so again I say you are being picky about this? I used to drive a heavily modded 200sx I knew I should not go into corners and boot it round in narrow lanes and expect my well engineered 'fault free' nissan to deal with it! you seem to me again describing a characteristic brought on by extreme driving in condtions you shouldnt driving so damn fast!...I used to drive a 306gti6 peugeot that had a tendency to understeer then powerslide then flip a 360 only when put through extreme testing, is that a failing in design? no its driving like idiot
I am familiar enough when my scoob understeers I slow down! it is going so damn fast by this point anyway compared to other cars you are quite honestly a **** if you carry on flooring it on the legal highway, as I said before to you if its track day performance you are discussing different argument and one Id agree with maybe, but for driving on the highways i dont.
15 April 2006, 07:00 PM
#59
Scooby Regular
Quite a few people have found about the snap oversteer. I've only experienced it from the passenger side of a test drive 
Needless to say, the boss wasn't too happy when the salesman had to call him up and explain what had happened!!!
It's one of the few faults of the cars that tbh, most people will NEVER experience, as their talent runs out LONG before the car's does
Besides, these discussions have now been doing the rounds for almost 8 years!! By people on here, SIDC, even Steve Breen's site.....
If "we", didn't like it, then we'd all have Evos
Dan
Needless to say, the boss wasn't too happy when the salesman had to call him up and explain what had happened!!!
It's one of the few faults of the cars that tbh, most people will NEVER experience, as their talent runs out LONG before the car's does
Besides, these discussions have now been doing the rounds for almost 8 years!!
By people on here, SIDC, even Steve Breen's site.....If "we", didn't like it, then we'd all have Evos
Dan
15 April 2006, 07:22 PM
#60
Originally Posted by STI Craig
sell your fecking car then, here is a link you can use
www.autorader.co.uk
i dont think vectra drivers wave at each other, get one of them!!!!
www.autorader.co.uk
i dont think vectra drivers wave at each other, get one of them!!!!
.If someone is increasingly embarrassed about owning a curtain type of car why keep buying it?
and I much prefer to get a friendly wave from a fellow scooby owner than some miserable git driving a car he doesn't like giving me the finger.If you don't like scoobs then fine everyone is entitled to there opinion but there's no need to slag off other people for liking them.....Sorry starting to rant, but this is scoobynet isn't it? I thought the idea of such a site would be for people to feel good about owing a scoob not feel like they have to defend themselves every time they go on.