ZEN Performance

There are a number of reasons for the engine failures I've had. Most of which you know about because I have discussed them openly with you in the hope that information shared is a problem halved. Your many years of experience led you to keep the original valves in your STI heads for some time until someone had an unexplained failure of an STI inlet valve, oh, that was me. My (only) big end failure happened on track, something that could have been avoided I'm sure with more concertration on the oil temp gauge rather than the track. My (only) piston failure happened as a result of lean running despite an AFR gauge showing rich.

It's dissapointing that the only way you can show how good you are, is to question everyone else without disclosing all the facts. And when given information to help you out, you see fit to broadcast it in public to support your arguements.

Perhaps when it comes to experience, it's quality not quantity that counts. For instance I've managed to get by without harming a single clutch. Despite all your many years of blah blah racing, I've lost count of the clutches you have destroyed trying to get your launches right! You're on your 5th clutch in your car IIRC

And for what it's worth, I still have hair, and I don't need to cut it short to hide the fact that it's ginger!

pugsleygti

surely the point goes to zen with the ginger comment lol
chris

Andy.F

Perhaps when you manage to get an engine to hold together long enough....and make decent power from it....and run a number of 9 second 1/4's ......you may also have clutch issues ?
You were however just starting to get driveshaft failures toward the end of the year so in real terms, your only a year behind

Regards the hair, with your recent customer car issues, I'm surprised you havn't pulled it all out yet !

JTaylor

Classic thread. It's like Senna and Mansell for beginners. I wonder who'll be giving who the lift back to the pits.

vulnax999

iTrader: (7)

Hehe in the words of Harry Enfield's scouser characters ..



Calm Down, Calm Down, eh ehh ehhh ...



Anyway, my 2p'th is that road mapping is better for real world use;
Look how many rolling road events / threads bemoan the problem with getting the boost they got on the road .. actually thats most likely what they would have got if mapped on the RR . Road use then being different there being more torque/power, but how accurate would all the map settings be in real use? And how safe?
Bit of both may be the best .... but road mapping is most realistic for real use.

SoNiCa

LOL

fatmanscooby

Hmm Paul see you next Tuesday hopefully mine will be ok.

tweenierob

PMSL!!!!!!!! Quality thread!!!!! Dirty linnen and everything!!

I have remapped a few skylines that have been dyno mapped prior to my input (3 seperate dyno's/tuners), on the road the AFR's have been well out. Personally i think that regardless of road or dyno map, the map is only as good as the person behind the laptop.

Dyno mapping certainly has the safety/legal aspect covered.

I think it is naive to think that non legal speeds will not be reached whilst road mapping, but how many owners are likely to have there car mapped at speeds of 100+ and keep under 70 at all other times..?
Having been stopped in a car after a 6th gear 8k run (owners request after previous co. engine failure) it is not a nice situation to be in, the police did not apply the law in that instance but things could have been so much worse.

Rob

ex-webby

Just for confirmation Paul and slightly off topic.....

The commercial posting that so many commercial individuals on here seem to flaunt and push the boundaries of (that are not Authorised Advertisers) will soon becoming to an end.

Clarification will be stated across the whole site and strict enforcement without communication will be made within the coming weeks (if it was not for organisation work for ScoobyNet Live, this would of been done weeks ago)...... and we are not talking about a simple warning as this has all got beyond a joke and past experience has showed that simple polite warnings just get ignored.

Regards,
Shaun.

The Chief

So in laymans terms does that mean if you are not an authorized advertiser you'll get booted off!!!

simo

if you flaunt the rules & are not authorized if seems more that fair to me . People are paying money to advertise which in turn supports SN. People who do not & just advertise anyway are abusing the BBS imho.

Simon

tweenierob

Luckily i dont do scoobs anymore

If i did i certainly wouldnt want to pay for advertising whilst others got it for free so its about time...

On the flip side, maybe a bit late eh?

Rob

andypugh2000

very cruel and not necessary, I will be getting my car fitted and mapped with an apexi very shortly and I know who I will be using

The Chief

But on the other side of the coin these people input their valuable technical know how and guidance to people asking advice in technical when really they dont have to. to be honest i really dont think some of these people do it just to get a free ad!

Although this might be naivety on my part

tweenierob

Agreed, i used to spend a lot of time on here correcting bull**** posts and helping newbies, not everyone is after a free ad....

But i havent sold hundreds of 20G turbos

Rob

scooby-tc

iTrader: (2)

i need a remap soon

tweenierob

So... are you gonna go Ginger or Zen

Rob

The Chief

TBH obviosuly i dont see the bigger picture with regards to ad's i dont know what costs are involved etc. it just seems a shame that certain tuners could get vaped just for putting their advice across - even if it is a form of free ads.

A certain well known Subaru specialist no longer posts his tecnical know how on here because of this. i'm sure we all know who this is.

scooby-tc

iTrader: (2)

I think i'll go with the green monster of the jolly variety

tweenierob

I was tempted to put his name as well but didnt know if he would want to be added to this particular thread

Rob

scooby-tc

iTrader: (2)

i think he would prefer not to be Rob lol i think he has more important things to do than get involved in handbags

tweenierob

Like map your car

Rob

scooby-tc

iTrader: (2)

Floyd

iTrader: (9)

How do you know it's in good condition Andy? Perhaps a compression test, a listen and check for smoke? A high mileage car is 'likely' to have had a lot of history, good and bad. You don't know all your customers and you have to take a snap shot of the current condition of their car. It is far more likely that something will go wrong with an older car when upping the power than a new one. I know there are high mileage cars that have lasted at high power but there are also many that haven't. I think it's sensible to play the percentages.

F

ex-webby

Thats fine, but under the clarification not fine when it is about giving "advice" concerning products and services that person commercially sells/provides....... that IS commercial advertising. Where as I am sure everyone is honest, this leaves NO confusion and NO uncertain ruling. Understanding the ruling will be simple, but the consequences of breaking it will be immediately fatal.

All will be revealed in the coming weeks, so apologies for hi-hacking this thread, although I was picking up on point made previously about Authorised Advertising.

Regards,
Shaun.

MartynJ

Oh dear oh dear...Are we back here again...
This topic seems to be covered every week with much the same result...The road mappers swear by that , the rolling road operators swear by that and the TUNERS swear you have to use both to be assured of being accurate....

fatmanscooby

Sorry to drag this up again but.......

I spent the day with Paul from Zen mapping my car on the road and not once did i feel unsafe. Yes we did some quick runs but Paul was aware all the time of the roads and traffic. Im a real wuss in a car but felt comfortable all day. Thanks Paul top job

willyc

Could those saying that road mapping is the better way of doing things, please explain how they tune the ignition timing as accurate as doing it on the rollers? Being that you see bigger power gains from fine tuning the ign timing than AFR.

I also think that you need both the rollers and road, all mapping done on the rollers, then check AFRs on the road, as there can be some differences.

Andy.F

Any car using an airflow meter such as the Subaru (especially if it has an induction kit fitted) will run totally different on the rollers to how it will on the road.
Why do you think the AFR changes when out on the road ? it's because the primary load reference value has changed. When this changes so does the ignition timing, so you can fine tune all you want on the rollers to get your desired bhp numbers............just be sure to go out on the road and do it properly afterwards

Andy

Bob Rawle

............just be sure to go out on the road and do it properly afterwards

Totally agree and I would add be sure and go do it first then whatever you get on the rollers after is just that, what you get on the rollers after.

cheers

bob