Cosworth driver jailed for killing Subaru driver
04 February 2006, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
I suggest you read my post again properly this time.
I clearly stated that his conviction was not conducive with someone who was a careful driver and that 30 in an 80 was out of order!!
I merely stated that we do not know the full facts of the case and can only hope that the assumptions we're making to fill in the gaps are correct.
Read before you reply.
Thanks,
NS04
PS. For your information, I've held a clean licence for 12 years and would NEVER dream of doing 80mph in a 30.
PPS
Also, am I wrong in thinking that this piece of road was rated at 60mph?
I'd have wondered why anyone would be doing 30-40 -assuming appropriate conditions.
NS04
I clearly stated that his conviction was not conducive with someone who was a careful driver and that 30 in an 80 was out of order!!
I merely stated that we do not know the full facts of the case and can only hope that the assumptions we're making to fill in the gaps are correct.
Read before you reply.
Thanks,
NS04
PS. For your information, I've held a clean licence for 12 years and would NEVER dream of doing 80mph in a 30.
PPS
Also, am I wrong in thinking that this piece of road was rated at 60mph?
I'd have wondered why anyone would be doing 30-40 -assuming appropriate conditions.
NS04
04 February 2006, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by _RIP_
OK, point taken.
BTW apologies if I seemed a little agressive in my reply. Nothing personal mate; I just didn't like the implication that I was condoning 30mph in an 80 zone. Let me reiterate that this kind of transgression from the speed limit is completely out of order!I'm also not saying that he was not to blame, nor am I saying that if he was to blame he should not recieve a bigger sentence.
It's just that sometimes people are far too quick to jump on the bandwagon without all the facts to hand. Remember, it was only a week ago that the papers said that a Subaru driver caused the accident that killed a rover driver. They neglected to mention that the Rover driver chose to do 140 and that there was no suggestion that the Subaru driver made any contact with him- just that he lost control of his car.
There's often more to a story than meets the eye and we need to be mindful of this before we all pile in with unqualified opinions.
The really sad thing about this is that -whatever the whole story is- two people will remain dead.
NS04
04 February 2006, 07:06 PM
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Being just up the road from me I tended to follow this in the press....All is not as simple as it seems as I'm sure all the facts didn't make it to the papers.
For example there was another car with the subaru and they were travelling together. Although the other driver travelling with the subaru denies that they were "in a convoy" the implication might be that the subaru followed the other driver assuming that there was room for two cars....
It was also not particularly clear from the press if the subaru came out of a side road or turned into the path of the Cossie from the opposite direction.....either way even at the 60MPH limit it would have been a close call !!
There was another local incident where a Lambo ploughed into an A4 and the A4 driver died. Again the press coverage was pretty fudged !! And again when 2 Teenagers died a couple of days ago the coverage was slim and the Police wanted witnesses.
We will probably never know the true story behind any of the incidents .
Shaun
For example there was another car with the subaru and they were travelling together. Although the other driver travelling with the subaru denies that they were "in a convoy" the implication might be that the subaru followed the other driver assuming that there was room for two cars....
It was also not particularly clear from the press if the subaru came out of a side road or turned into the path of the Cossie from the opposite direction.....either way even at the 60MPH limit it would have been a close call !!
There was another local incident where a Lambo ploughed into an A4 and the A4 driver died. Again the press coverage was pretty fudged !! And again when 2 Teenagers died a couple of days ago the coverage was slim and the Police wanted witnesses.
We will probably never know the true story behind any of the incidents .
Shaun
04 February 2006, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
BTW apologies if I seemed a little agressive in my reply. Nothing personal mate; I just didn't like the implication that I was condoning 30mph in an 80 zone. Let me reiterate that this kind of transgression from the speed limit is completely out of order!I'm also not saying that he was not to blame, nor am I saying that if he was to blame he should not recieve a bigger sentence.
It's just that sometimes people are far too quick to jump on the bandwagon without all the facts to hand. Remember, it was only a week ago that the papers said that a Subaru driver caused the accident that killed a rover driver. They neglected to mention that the Rover driver chose to do 140 and that there was no suggestion that the Subaru driver made any contact with him- just that he lost control of his car.
There's often more to a story than meets the eye and we need to be mindful of this before we all pile in with unqualified opinions.
The really sad thing about this is that -whatever the whole story is- two people will remain dead.
NS04
05 February 2006, 12:15 AM
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The article is heavily weighted towards misinformation to get the reaction seen in this thread, what a pathetic state of afairs this country is now in when trying to discuss road safety.
05 February 2006, 12:48 AM
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Being fairly local to me i too followed this story on the local news and press.
Didn't know he had a previous conviction for speeding which was obviously a big
BUT
having seen the tv pics of the accident scene it has to be said that sadly the other driver payed the highest price for turning across the road into the fords path.
Yes the guy was speeding but i think an accident would have occurred anyway but with lesser? consequences.
Some of the press quotes from witnesses were purely sensationalist rubbish, designed purely and simply to paint the cossy driver in as bad a light as possible, in unargueably a tragic accident.
Rich
Didn't know he had a previous conviction for speeding which was obviously a big
BUT
having seen the tv pics of the accident scene it has to be said that sadly the other driver payed the highest price for turning across the road into the fords path.
Yes the guy was speeding but i think an accident would have occurred anyway but with lesser? consequences.
Some of the press quotes from witnesses were purely sensationalist rubbish, designed purely and simply to paint the cossy driver in as bad a light as possible, in unargueably a tragic accident.
Rich
05 February 2006, 09:58 AM
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Does anyone know what speed the Sierra driver was travelling at before he started braking? Unless he was driving at 100+ mph or he was not paying attention and braked late, it sounds like there would have been a accident with risk of death and injury even if he had been travelling at the speed limit - in which case it would definitely have been the Subaru driver's fault (at least in the eyes of the law - whether in reality would depend on the layout of the road).
In my opinion, if the Sierra driver was at fault, it was not necessarily because of the speed he was driving at, but that he was not taking sensible precautions to allow for that speed. He was approaching a junction and one car had already pulled out in front of him so he should have been on the brakes slowing down until he had established eye contact with the second car approaching the junction. If visibility was such that he couldn't see the junction then he should not have been travelling so fast that he couldn't stop within the distance he could see.
All of this is said without knowing the road in question, so there may be other factors - but my key point is that we all need to make allowances in our driving for the speed we are travelling (even if this is below the speed limit).
In my opinion, if the Sierra driver was at fault, it was not necessarily because of the speed he was driving at, but that he was not taking sensible precautions to allow for that speed. He was approaching a junction and one car had already pulled out in front of him so he should have been on the brakes slowing down until he had established eye contact with the second car approaching the junction. If visibility was such that he couldn't see the junction then he should not have been travelling so fast that he couldn't stop within the distance he could see.
All of this is said without knowing the road in question, so there may be other factors - but my key point is that we all need to make allowances in our driving for the speed we are travelling (even if this is below the speed limit).
05 February 2006, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by johnfelstead
what a pathetic state of afairs this country is now in when trying to discuss road safety.
We've had "speed kills" for long enough now....what's the next step?
I would suggest it won't be long before we see
a "ban these killer cars" campaign in certain papers.
Ns04
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