Tim-Grove

True. But i was pointing out that this thread was started in the Non Scooby Related and not the Other Marques

Stevesbluewrx

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I Will this weekend when we pick up one for my other half. Standard 172 52 reg mind you.

I test drove it when we looked at it and it did seem quick but not as much as I thought it would. But then again I did have the salesman next to me so I couldn't push it to much.

My better half can't wait. Shes going from a 1.1i Saxo to the 172 Clio. I'm happy for her.

A young chap down my road has a 51 plate Cup. And he tried to tear off from a set of lights next to me a couple of months back. Had to laugh as he left most of his rubber on the floor as I let me AWD do the talking.

Steve

DavidChief

My mate has one. I would definitely say the 172 Cup is the best of all the Clios. Performance is brilliant. Much quicker than you'd expect! The handling is very entertaining and as said above turn-in is very good too. For sure, it's one of those cars that is much better to drive than you would expect!

Build quality is poor but better than a lot of French stuff.

My mate gets pretty good fuel economy - I think well over 30 if IIRC.

If I was buying a used hot hatch my first choice would be the Focus RS. Second choice would be the Clio.

Jonto

I have had a Cup and a Scoob.

Didn't have a happy experience with the cup, i won;t go into in depth, but it was one of the worst cars i have ever owned. List of faults was aslong as my arm, dealers are crap, depreciation was monumental, (i lost less on my scoob in double the time i owned my cup) and when everything was working it still wasn't that fast.

I think the new age (2.5ltr WRX) would hammer a cup personally, maybe a cup would hang onto the back of a bugeye but thats about it.

Sorry folks, i always get slated by the Clio fanatics on here, who wear their Rose coloured specticles but that is my experience of the Renault Clio Cup...........not a pleasent one.

Ps. I got a good 'un aswell.

Regards
Jonathan

TheJesus

ah yes, but the thing is you have an axe to grind, remember, not all cars are the same, you were unlucky enough to buy one of the poorest examples. there will be identical horror stories from Scooby owners as well... like my mates 52 plate that had done only a small amount of miles and needed a whole new engine for whatever reason... **** happens

chris n`nic

That means mine must be a REALLY good `un then

Chris

mozzaITA

I bought a clio williams!! still plenty of fun for half or less the price!!

TheJesus

until the next engine lol

you run the ****** in yet or what too? need to see if it can run a 14.1 or better again mate.

chris n`nic

It is feeling a little stronger now but I reckon it should be spot on for York next year

Chris

TheJesus

good good, still not had a chance to have a do with you yet! lol

mine needs mapping BADLY at the moment... only noticed how far out it was when we used 2 lives chip hehe

davyboy

Ours in stuck on the drive at the moment, failed to start

Cheap old clutter.

MartinM

Great little cars....

...and I have one for sale as well

52 plate, 19300 miles, one lady owner. Never tracked or been in an accident. Make me a reasonable offer via PM

The_Gza

Glad to see you hung onto it Martin

Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did mine!

Hammoc

That'll be the BTG 8.40 lap taking its toll



Chris

davyboy

Nah......she does not like the cold

crush her

I have neither so couldn't care less. BUT I did see the 182 cup against a WRX Wagon in Autocar around a circuit and the 182 WAS quicker .....by 0.1 seconds......

What if ?

I took a mate of mine out in my MY05 STI PPP the other day and launched to 70, 3 times and he was so impressed he didn't stop grinning for days. Said it was far faster than his car........He has a Clio 172 running 198 BHP and sinec the trip in my car (2 weeks ago) has now brought a Super Charger to get 300BHP out of his Clio. He said whoever in the Clio sport club says they can beat a MY05 STI PPP would be put straight my him as they don't have a chance.........Oh yes, I had a 172 cup from new and ran it for 24000 miles. A really good fun car and mine was a fast one with a few performance mods used to launch to 60 in 6.1 secs. It was a great car to drive but th MY05 STI PPP is a different class entirley.

davyboy

er thanks for that.

I dont think anyone has mentioned an STi have they?

bluenose172

iTrader: (2)

I don't think anyone did Davy. Anyway we're talking Cup not full fat 172, my bro's 190nhp Cup would be up the **** of What If?'s STi for a lot longer than he'd think!

Frazer

Since you compared a "standard" STi PPP to a modded 172 I thought id give my opinion/experience.

Off the line a STi PPP will leave a 200 hp cup for dead (that is a no brainer) but i'd love to see them race 40-100. My Cup did 0-101 in 14.2 with a 2.4 60 ft with only 181 hp and 155 lbft. Its about get a new head, inlet manifold, cams and a re-map along with the Maxogen I just fitted, this should see it to around 205 hp and 180 lbft (going from 3-4 other modded Clios with similar mods)

As it is it sticks with a P1 rolling in 1st at 10 mph to 70/75 then the P1 (faster/same as a STi PPP??)starts to pull away, with 205 hp and 180 lbft I rekon it will be very interesting, rolling start till about 100-110 I think the Cup will give the P1/STi PPP a VERY hard time.

STI PPP P/W/R - 305 PS = 203
Clio 172 Cup P/W/R - 205 hp = 202

What if ?

Sounds like a bit if a monster cup !! you also need to take into account the aerodynamics of the two and I would expect the STI to be a bit more slipery through the air. I managed 80-100 in 4th (on the track of course) in 3.8 sec's. I don't think thats so bad !

I am glad to see you fully understand off the mark the STI PPP would tear away I found it very difficult not to light up the fronts on the Cup when ragging it off the line. After a bit of practice you really can shift a Cup off the mark. I am sure on the right sort of track the Cup (modded) would do a good job sticking with an STI PPP but would expect it to be a very winding track with short straights so you can take advantage of any turbo lag out of corners and hit another corner before it comes on song again. A few fast corners and some long straights and by bye STI and the cup will be left sniffing the fumes ! Hope this doesn't sound too harsh as I loved my Cup and dont believe you could ever get more fun / speed for your pound for under £20K. A great little car. Mind out in the wet though, very twitchy when pushing it round corners and it does have a bad habit of severe lift off oversteer when pushing it hard (commit to a fast corner and you have to see it through, no backing off again or hello rear end!!!)

Hammoc

Silly me....she is French clutter of course

Hope all well now.


Chris

mozza1

for the money id say its gotta be the best hot hatch around at the moment.

friend has one and im really chuffed with how quick it is now........
when he bought it, never thought it would be that quick - standard car (cup 172).....on paper figures 0-60 - 6.5s, 0-100 in just under 17 and top speed of 138ish, but to be honest felt quicker than that (probably down to his hard driving styles!!!)

had quite abit if work done on it over last 18 months -
Renault sport cams - reprofiled by Mick Hill
RS Inlet manifold
small bit of headwork done by mickhill
new induction system
Unichip
RS exhaust system with custom decat

power figures after unichip - 198bhp /186 ft/lbs.

its now been stripped - sound proofing taken out, back seats and bits of the interior trim ditched, light weight 16inch wheels etc.....so we reckon 960ish KGS so defo prob around 205bhp per tonne!

Now its much quicker than the standard car.....although 'only' 25 or so hp gain and an extra 30 ft/lbs over standard, due to the lightness of the car, its a massive increase in performance.

on the road - its deceptively quick - only probably with being fwd and having no LSD, it does spin alot unless its a totally dry day (even then its still spining in 1st alot). Always part of the fun factor though.

hes uprated handling quick abit - it has the clio trophy suspension setup and round bends it really goes well. Easier to drive than alot of cars.

Standing starts ok for the traffic light thrash but in the real world - its about in gear acceleration what counts.

No doubts this car would keep up with alot of standard upto 300ish hp scoobies whether in a straight line or round bends for example on a track once moving.

Still perfer my turbo cars but for around 7-8K you can pick up a 172 cup, spend 3-4K on one and you have a real good weapon which does 30 to a gallon and will surprise alot of 'supposedly better' cars.

downs523

i have a clio 182, wit janspeed exhaust system and k&n gen II induction kit, i have just test drove 03 reg sti ppp, so much faster and much bettter car, i put a deposit down on it, now selling my clio 182 .....

davyboy

Who'd have thought a 300bhp car is quicker than one with 180bhp!

mr hat

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i had a 172 cup from new, owned it for a year did about 8000mls in it, fitted uprated/lowering springs as they sit quite high and also fitted a panel filter and magnex exhaust. i loved it tbh, never had any problems at all with it and it was a very quick little car, only down sides very basic interior and lack of abs gave me a few close calls. now own a classic scoob which i also love and is a totally different beast but i would have a cup as a second car for the wife without hesitation.

Daz34

Probably running less than that with the induction kit.

RB5_245

Shame you didn't wait another couple of weeks and you could have replied to a post written exactly a year ago

I wonder if the thread starter is happy with his choice, this is a bit like one of those TV programs where they go back to see people that they filmed when they were young

Jamesemt

That's interesting, the last 172 I drove (admittedly not a Cup) felt flat as a fart compared to my old Scoob.

Suppose its all about power delivery...

RB5_245

I felt the clio's delivery to be much like royal mail; I waited with anticipation but it never came