What An Example To Us All!!
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You can always tell when pikey PSL knows he has lost the argument when he is obviously scraping the barrel for ineffectual excuses and descends to unpleasant insults as well.
I should wind your neck in now PSL before you make an even bigger fool of yourself!
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I should wind your neck in now PSL before you make an even bigger fool of yourself!
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From: God's promised land
Originally Posted by The_Gza
then I'm more than happy to hear that 1 in 1,000,000 of our citizens might be locked up accidentally for 90 days if it stops anything like this happening again.
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Originally Posted by The_Gza
So what are we saying here? Given the chance you might lock up for the full 90 days an entirely innocent person (despite a judical review on their continuing custody every 7 days), you'd consider that letting them go at some arbitrary limit whilst evidence was still being gathered a better option?
Quite frankly as someone who's father wasn't on one of the tubes that blew up on 7/7 because it exploded at the station before it reached his, then I'm more than happy to hear that 1 in 1,000,000 of our citizens might be locked up accidentally for 90 days if it stops anything like this happening again.
Let's see if you feel the same if there is a terrorist spectacular in the near future. Civil liberties? Some of you haven't a ******* clue what it means. If abusing your civil rights means the police had to convince a judge 12 times there was a valid reason to keep you on remand for 3 months, then quite frankly I'd rather your 'rights' were suspended for a bit whilst my and my families 'right' to go about our normal business without fear or threat as taking precedence over yours.
Quite frankly as someone who's father wasn't on one of the tubes that blew up on 7/7 because it exploded at the station before it reached his, then I'm more than happy to hear that 1 in 1,000,000 of our citizens might be locked up accidentally for 90 days if it stops anything like this happening again.
Let's see if you feel the same if there is a terrorist spectacular in the near future. Civil liberties? Some of you haven't a ******* clue what it means. If abusing your civil rights means the police had to convince a judge 12 times there was a valid reason to keep you on remand for 3 months, then quite frankly I'd rather your 'rights' were suspended for a bit whilst my and my families 'right' to go about our normal business without fear or threat as taking precedence over yours.
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Originally Posted by OllyK
they need to be turning this round in days not 1/4 of a year.
You willing to pay an extra 10% TAX are you?? to pay for the extra staffing and expertise to investigate within days??
No?? Thought not!!
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
What evidence do you have that a quicker investigation would cost more than a long drawn out process? Seriously, what?
You go to your dentist, right now and demand an immediate urgent appointment .......................... you might get it, but you understand that its going to cost you more!!
I cannot believe that you don't understand simple supply and demand and basic economics???
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From: Derbyshire
Originally Posted by pslewis
IDIOT!!!
You willing to pay an extra 10% TAX are you?? to pay for the extra staffing and expertise to investigate within days??
No?? Thought not!!
Pete
You willing to pay an extra 10% TAX are you?? to pay for the extra staffing and expertise to investigate within days??
No?? Thought not!!
Pete
Hmm - 10 people @ £1000 per day times 90 days vs
10 people @ 1000 per day times 7 days
You do the maths and let me know your result
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From: Derbyshire
Originally Posted by pslewis
Tell you what??
You go to your dentist, right now and demand an immediate urgent appointment .......................... you might get it, but you understand that its going to cost you more!!
I cannot believe that you don't understand simple supply and demand and basic economics???
Pete
You go to your dentist, right now and demand an immediate urgent appointment .......................... you might get it, but you understand that its going to cost you more!!
I cannot believe that you don't understand simple supply and demand and basic economics???
Pete
Got any more poor examples?
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From: Old Codgers Home
Originally Posted by OllyK
Err no, it will cost no more. My dentist keeps some slack time each day to deal with emergency appointments. The 1 time I had to use it, I called them at 9am when they opened and I was being treated by 10.30am the same day - guess what, it didn't cost 1 penny more.
Got any more poor examples?
Got any more poor examples?
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Hmm - 10 people @ £1000 per day times 90 days vs
10 people @ 1000 per day times 7 days
You do the maths and let me know your result
10 people @ 1000 per day times 7 days
You do the maths and let me know your result
So, what you are saying there is - the 10 people who need up to 90 days to do the job properly can actually carry out all the work in 7 days ?? That IS what you are suggesting, isn't it??
I repeat, you are a raving lunatic!!
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ps. Just realised how you get to see your dentist so cheaply ..... you are a mental patient and you have a resident Dentist!! Sorted!!
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I stand with the majority of the population:-
"Voters overwhelmingly back Government proposals to hold terrorism suspects for up to 90 days without charge, according to an opinion poll.
The YouGov poll for Sky News found almost three-in-four (72%) believed the maximum time police can detain suspects should be extended to 90 days"
Those against it should wind their necks in as they are looking particularly stupid to the majority of people!!
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"Voters overwhelmingly back Government proposals to hold terrorism suspects for up to 90 days without charge, according to an opinion poll.
The YouGov poll for Sky News found almost three-in-four (72%) believed the maximum time police can detain suspects should be extended to 90 days"
Those against it should wind their necks in as they are looking particularly stupid to the majority of people!!
Pete
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From the Times:-
"Mr Blair believes that he is in a strong position because of the strength of public support for the 90-day plan. Today’s Populus poll for The Times found that 64 per cent of people backed the 90-day plan with only 32 per cent against. This includes a majority of every social, age and party group, including 71 per cent of Labour voters, and even 52 per cent of Liberal Democrats"
Thats that done and dusted then ....................
Pete
"Mr Blair believes that he is in a strong position because of the strength of public support for the 90-day plan. Today’s Populus poll for The Times found that 64 per cent of people backed the 90-day plan with only 32 per cent against. This includes a majority of every social, age and party group, including 71 per cent of Labour voters, and even 52 per cent of Liberal Democrats"
Thats that done and dusted then ....................
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Pete, you know NOTHING about Police pricing. NOTHING. And if you've resorted to THAT to justify the argument then it wasn't a very strong argument in the first place, in my opinion.
You, like so many others, have been convinced by the knee-jerk, "look we're doing *something*" media frenzy, without giving this ANY coherent consideration. You know it, i know it.
You, like so many others, have been convinced by the knee-jerk, "look we're doing *something*" media frenzy, without giving this ANY coherent consideration. You know it, i know it.
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Originally Posted by pslewis
You raving lunatic!!
So, what you are saying there is - the 10 people who need up to 90 days to do the job properly can actually carry out all the work in 7 days ?? That IS what you are suggesting, isn't it??
I repeat, you are a raving lunatic!!
Pete
ps. Just realised how you get to see your dentist so cheaply ..... you are a mental patient and you have a resident Dentist!! Sorted!!
So, what you are saying there is - the 10 people who need up to 90 days to do the job properly can actually carry out all the work in 7 days ?? That IS what you are suggesting, isn't it??
I repeat, you are a raving lunatic!!
Pete
ps. Just realised how you get to see your dentist so cheaply ..... you are a mental patient and you have a resident Dentist!! Sorted!!
If we give the Police the powers to gather the required information more quickly, i.e. ISPs etc have to keep better records allowing them to turn requests (following due authorisation) around in hours rather than days or weeks then the police don't need 90 days and they can be catching suspects and processing them faster and making things safer for the public.
Yet you'd rather it took 1/4 of a year to put a case togther (during which time other members of the group could have got wind that their mate was being held and brought the whole timetable forward, thus actually causing more attacks not less.
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Pete, you know NOTHING about Police pricing. NOTHING.
I haven't ...... but, it's going to be no different than any other Labour charge - is it now??
The basics remain unchanged .... if you want something done quickly, it costs!!
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Yesterday should be noted by everyone with an interest in Politics .........
The Police wanted up to 90 Days detention for Terror suspects ....
The public wanted the 90 Days ....
The Security Services wanted 90 Days ....
Tony Blair stood like a man for his beliefs, he was defeated - but, he did not compromise on the right thing to do!!
According to the GMT News this morning who had a telephone poll ...... more than 7000 rang in ...... 86% back Tony Blair completely.
Looks like his standing within the country has risen way beyond the heights that any Tory could master ...............................
Me thinks the Tories have just lost the next election .... soft on Terrorists!!
Mr Blair ... the greatest leader we have seen in this country since Churchill ... we salute you!!
Excellent
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The Police wanted up to 90 Days detention for Terror suspects ....
The public wanted the 90 Days ....
The Security Services wanted 90 Days ....
Tony Blair stood like a man for his beliefs, he was defeated - but, he did not compromise on the right thing to do!!
According to the GMT News this morning who had a telephone poll ...... more than 7000 rang in ...... 86% back Tony Blair completely.
Looks like his standing within the country has risen way beyond the heights that any Tory could master ...............................
Me thinks the Tories have just lost the next election .... soft on Terrorists!!
Mr Blair ... the greatest leader we have seen in this country since Churchill ... we salute you!!
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Blair is not a leaders **** hole and you cannot compare him to Churchill -but not with standing that , the issue of 90 day detention legislation should have been made law.
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Originally Posted by turbonutta*******
Blair is not a leaders **** hole and you cannot compare him to Churchill
Having said that - I would have no problem in the comparison at all !!! Churchill was a CRAP peacetime Leader!! In wartime he was without peers.
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Thats a bold statement ............ and a risky one, as I may well have in-depth knowledge!!
I haven't ...... but, it's going to be no different than any other Labour charge - is it now??
The basics remain unchanged .... if you want something done quickly, it costs!!
Pete
I haven't ...... but, it's going to be no different than any other Labour charge - is it now??
The basics remain unchanged .... if you want something done quickly, it costs!!
Pete
Prioritisation
Efficiency
Effective
Planning
How many terror suspects (where we actually have a bit of evidence, not just some old duffer at a conference) are there in custody at any one time, on average, anybody know?
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From: God's promised land
Originally Posted by pslewis
The basics remain unchanged .... if you want something done quickly, it costs!!
Pete
Pete
Assumption, assumption, assumption. Just like you're assuming a 90 day rule would do *anything* to deter terrorism, just like The Sun assures us it will.
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I thought the Police said it was waiting for ISPs and Cellphone companies to provide data that caused the delays.
Perhaps some legislation to remove that progress blocker would be more appropriate?
Perhaps some legislation to remove that progress blocker would be more appropriate?
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
I thought the Police said it was waiting for ISPs and Cellphone companies to provide data that caused the delays.
Perhaps some legislation to remove that progress blocker would be more appropriate?
Perhaps some legislation to remove that progress blocker would be more appropriate?
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Originally Posted by OllyK
NL do something to remove bureaucracy and improve speed and efficiency?? It'll never happen, they may actually catch some terrorists if they did that, and how would they keep the public scared if that happened?
The 90 days just leaves the police more time to faff about presently -
As far as i can see special powers to delve into terrorist suspects would indeed be the way forward.
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I see lewis the loony has really lost the plot. Insulting comments, poor grammar and spelling as he hammers out post after worthless post. Just like some spoiled kid when all the adults are telling him off. Perhaps it's true that when you get older you start reverting back to your childhood. You're not in your 70's, you're still crapping in your nappy son.
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Remember ...................... it is UP TO 90 Days!!
Don't get hung up that someone will remain in nick for 90 Days if picked up as a suspect!!
Pete
Don't get hung up that someone will remain in nick for 90 Days if picked up as a suspect!!
Pete
tell you what pete, lets get chaos to give you a kg of semt*x and lets see how long they detain you with your so called professional background!
any takers on 90 days
Mart