unemployment in france is double that of the UK.

 

It's actually more a quadruple. 4% versus 15.something percent.

Anyway, this must please the SN brigade:

M. Sarkozy demande l'expulsion des étrangers impliqués dans les violences urbaines
LEMONDE.FR

Le ministre de l'intérieur, Nicolas Sarkozy, a demandé aux préfets d'expulser tous les étrangers condamnés dans le cadre des violences urbaines des treize dernières nuits, "y compris" les titulaires d'un titre de séjour, a-t-il annoncé, mercredi 9 novembre, à l'Assemblée nationale.


"J'ai demandé aux préfets que les étrangers, qui sont en situation régulière ou irrégulière, qui ont fait l'objet d'une condamnation, soient expulsés sans délai de notre territoire, y compris ceux qui ont un titre de séjour", a-t-il précisé."Quand on a l'honneur d'avoir un titre de séjour, le moins que l'on puisse dire c'est que l'on n'a pas à se faire arrêter en train de provoquer des violences urbaines", a ajouté le ministre.

Cent vingt étrangers, pas tous en situation irrégulière, ont été condamnés à ce titre, selon le ministre de l'intérieur lors des questions d'actualité à l'Assemblée nationale.

Ho hum.

 

TBF, anyone fit enough to riot shouldn't be on incapacity

 

French is a little iffy but it goes something like this:

Mr. Sarkozy asks for the expulsion from abroad implied in urban violences LEMONDE.FR The Nicolas Sarkozy, Minister of Interior Department, asked the prefects to expel all the foreigners condemned within the framework of thirteen last nights urban violences, "including" the holders of a it, residence permit announced, Wednesday November 9, with the French National Assembly. "I asked to the prefects that the foreigners, who are in situation regular or irregular, which was the subject of a judgment, are expelled without delay of our territory, including those which have a residence permit", has it précisé."Quand one has the honor to have a residence permit, the least which one can say they are that one does not have to be made stop causing urban violences", added the minister. Hundred twenty foreigners all, not in irregular situation, were condemned for this reason, according to the Minister of Interior Department at the time of the topical questions to the French National Assembly.

 

FPMSL

 

Basically he is demanding that all people that took part in the riots, and don't have the French nationality, would have to be expelled from France. Valid permit or not. We are talking about about 120 people.

 

Should be a laugh. Beldjoudi v France, ECHR A-243-A (1992). Applicant had been brought to France from Algeria as an infant, retained his Algerian nationality, married to a Frenchwoman for 20 years. He was a professional criminal who had spent half his adult life in prison. There would have been severe obstacles to his wife accompanying him to Algeria. The Court found that deporting him was a disproportionate response to preserving public order (edit - and therefore a breach of his right to a family life under the Convention).

Fair enough, rioting may be more appropriate than his "individual" offences, but better hope none of them had married local girls.

 

It's serious stuff allright. (and I'm not even a lawyer )

Yesterday I learnt that people were getting sentenced for 2 years effectively under the "speed justice" (help out a non native speaker here...) laws that were put in place for football hooligans...

Not saying that those people aren't responsible for their own acts, but 2 years in a procedure at 3:30 AM ?

 

Have to agree with most of the comments so far.

Glad the French are staying firm. I hate to say it, as it is very worrying, but this unprecedented MASS immigration into Europe is going to end very badly.

Massive wide scale civil unrest all for the sake of a percentage point or two of economic growth. I have nothing against controlled immigration, but things really don't seem to following the do-gooder ideologically obsessed dreamers plans.

This is just the beginning...

 

I just hope France will not be, in 30 years time, what we are now.

If they remain defiant, it should be ok - one hopes!!!

 

You just pasted it into Babelfish for a quick Online translation !!
Dean

 

The usual **** on this thread...

 

And the usual well structured relplies to the ****.

 

Indeed.

They choose to live in another country, if they dislike it, find another country - or go back to base.

If they cause problems, oust them.

What would you do if some ****** came into your house and pissed on your cat??? You'd chuck him out.

 

Have you been rioting? Feeling guilty? Should we deport you?

If not surely you can see why this is a good thing for the country

 

hehehe, I knew I'd get found lol

 

He's probably trying to say we're being too simplistic.

Often, when people don't understand things they try to accuse others of being simplistic. It defers the accustaions of idiocy away from them.

 

Your own contribution to this thread has been, shall we say Mastermind championesque has it?

Hmm...

 

No. To where would you like to deport me to, as I was born in this country?

Actually I am disgusted by your bile and hatred and you deserve no more than my first comment.

 

If you want an intelligent, serious debate about immigration issues why not start one? Instead of inciting posts from people who wish violence upon others based purely upon the colour of their skin?

If you want to have an proper, civilised, but keen debate, start one, and I might join it. If you want **** responses, carry on with threads like this one.

Its quite simple!

 

agreed the thread is ****.

Very little knowledge of the actual issues and the complicated history of France.

Pick up some history books and you will realise France's record on race-relations and equality is a ****ing joke.

 

Hi Asif,

Your right. The problems are very complex and there isn't a simple solution. You know I am not a fan of this unprecedented MASS immigration into this country and don't think things are going at all to plan. I understand why people are getting frustrated. Despite this I can see that things are anything but clear cut and appreciate where you are coming from. Only time will tell as to whether or not the French have handled this properly. I too would welcome a decent debate on the issues.

Ben.

 

Hi Ben, how are you and hows the car doing?

Happy to debate as I said, but not on this thread. I have no intention of dragging it up from the bottom of the cess pit. Surprised you joined in this one to be honest.

One question for you though - but dont answer it here, what exactly do you mean by 'unprecedented mass immigration'? Europe and this country have had all sorts of immigration since the beginning of time, more in the modern era probably, but it is hardly 'unprecedented'.

Look forward to your answer - on another thread.

Asif

 

Cars running fine at the minute after having the rear diff bearing sorted. Made a few more modifications recently!

Regarding me joining this thread - I don't think rioting like this can be justified. The people responsible, and anybody rioting for that matter, do deserve a baton over the head in my opinion. No way can the French government give any indication that this is an acceptable way in which to get things changed. Would open the flood gates for similar scenarios across Europe. Hence the glad they are keeping firm.

Chat about the wider issues on another thread as you say. I'll look forward to it. I am sure I will learn something from it.

Ben