The bugeye is different to the classic, no question. Heavier - i.e. slower in standard form. Feels slower still as the power is delivered in a smoother and more refined way. Interior and build, whilst still not great, are much improved Stiffer body = better ride / handling. Bugeye WRX has better brakes than the classics (even the latest 4 pot classics had a slightly "floppy" bulkhead), the STi has really quite good brakes. Whilst missing the "raw" fun and the ultimate pace, the bugeye WRX is a much nicer car for travelling long distances in than a classic turbo. The bugeye is also very resposive to a bit of tuning - take some or all of the cats away and put an ecutek map in, the performance will be close enough to a modded classic that you'll not miss the difference (be it WRX or STi).

I've been surprised at how many people who are non scooby owners do actually like the bugeyes, I'd seriously suggest ignoring some of the trolls on here. The best way as with so much in life - is to go and try one for yourself and draw your own conclusions, and ignore what a bunch of people who you don't really know say on the internet!

 

I'm just back home after picking up my new 2001 bugeye wagon and I feel it's a bit improvement as an overall package to the Classic. The last Scooby I had was a MY99 Turbo with a Tek 2.5.

The new car doesn't feel as quick but it's still great fun and the interior is miles better than the old car. Handling feels sharper too and the brakes are great.

I'll probably go for a EcuTek remap as some point though.

Oh, and with regards to looks - I really didn't like the Bugeye but have to say that it doesn't look too bad now - probably due to other cars/makes coming on the market that perhaps makes the bugeyes look less different/radical.

 

Before I bought my bugeye I didn't own a Scoob, therefore that made me a 'non-owner'. I had £10k cash in my pocket and could've bought a very nice Classic Turbo for that but opted for a low mileage, mint condition bugeye instead. I've always liked the look of the classics but when I sat in and drove the bugeye it just seemed the better package - more car for the money.

I do agree that it can feel a bit cumbersome at times, with the 1410kg weight and 'only' 215bhp, but that'll soon be sorted with the ecutek.

I'm more than happy with my decision, despite all the **** people write on here about bugeye's. Changing the headlights is way down my list of modding priorities because they're not that bad and like all things in life, are a matter of taste.

That said, every one's entitled to their opinion .

 

I have owned a classic and two bugeyes, I have loved all of them as they have all been great cars but I would never buy another classic as I feel they are starting to look and feel a little dated. The classics are great cars and I certainly dont want to start a 'my car is better than your car' arguement but I simply prefer the bugeye as a daily driver. True the WRX headlights do look a little odd but I got used to them but I have to admit I did change mine for UK300 lights which improved the looks no end. My latest car is an STI Prodrive and I think the lights look ok, its my car, I like it and I don't care less what anyone else thinks about so if you like the look of bugeyes get one because they are very good cars.
Heres mine
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...02sti/tat5.jpg

 

I have got used to my cars looks. Each to their own. Added a few mods which again are debatable as to whether they are liked or not. How ever, if everybody like the same things, there wouldn't be as many mod options on the market anyway !!!!

Used to have a Supra which I would go back to tomorrow, but they aint much use when you have kids. I bought mine as it was as much as I could afford for a high performance daily car.

I drove through Blackpool lights last week on the BBO, and got more than enough comments from people passing the other way to know my car looks good rather than crap as a general concensus!!

That may not be the opinion of other Impreza drivers, but can't win 'em all !!

A few here....

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ark/MyCar1.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ark/MyCar2.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...0Park/STIs.jpg

Neil

 

i agree with everything you say, and your motor is stunning.
i owned a 97 classic for three years then had a couple of 306s and a focus, and have now got an 02 DBM bug eye with the prodrive exterior.

i love it, and could not care less about this blob eye is better no classic is better s**t, drive what you want guys, and for the record i've had some really good responses off people saying how unusual my car is and how much they like it, and i've never had any trouble keeping up with my mates in their classics!
oh and before anyone says anythin i know it needs a wash!!!

 

It makes me laugh when people slate the bugeye because when talked about its as if its a totally different car to look at.
Like comparing an escort to a fiesta.
I think my bugeye looks the bizz now, slightly modded on the exterior however.
New STI spoiler, Morette headlight conversion and replaced the orange side repeaters and wing reflectors with crystals.

I thought about buying a classic but went off the idea because i couldn't find a low mileage example and i also think they are looking a bit dated now.
Plus the young kiddies on the block are starting to get their grubby little hands on them.

At the end of the day its each to their own.
All's i know is that i have had plenty of positive comments about my car.
I am happy with it & my son is happy with it, and thats all that matters
Think the wife quite likes it as well (not that she has any say in the matter).

While we are on why not slate the colour of the WR1

 

Hi mate, where did you get the Prodrive UK300 spoiler, I'm after one myself but can only find a supplier in the US, (~$480 unpainted + delivery).

Subaru want far too much money for one.

Thanks.

 

I`ve owned 2 x classics and 2 x bugeyes now, I can honestly give my opinions of both.
I`ll agree the classic IMO looks better, is faster in standard form (thats a UK turbo against a UK WRX bugeye) handles better, and is more "hardcore" in driver feedback and its all round build.
The bugeye for me though is still a great scoob, especially with a few tweeks and styling mods. In standard form i`ll agree th bugeye is damn ugly, but different headlights, bigger wheels, a suspension drop and engine mods it then becomes a completely different fish. I`d personally like 2 scoobs, 1 classic, and 1 newage, bugeye or blobeye.

heres mine in all its glory





Cliff

 

v5 man - what makes you think the classic handles better as standard? I thought it was a well known fact the bug eyes were better in this department.

Seen your current car in the flesh a few times. Awsome looking motor.

 

v5 man - was this run at The Pod a few weeks back? If so, I watched your run - very nice looking car Rich.

 

Bugeyes are great cars and they look great too, in my eyes they are a bit of a marmite car (a bit like the new Renaults, i've bought one of them now) but the majority of the haters do seem to be bitter classic owners who started a hate campaign when it came out because basically they now owned the old shape

mine



Stickered up

 

Ben,
I can only go by my experiences of owning 2 x bugeyes and 2 x classics.
The classic has far less body roll IMO, and even with my current set up on the bugeye, Koni adjustable dampers and 30mm lowering springs, it still doesnt compare to either of my previous classics. Plus, driver feedback in the classic is so much better too, you could feel the brakes, feel the road, and most importantly, feel the car.
And cheers for the compliment Much appreciated
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Rich,
yep, thats a pic of me at Santa pod on the 9th of october (japshow)
I was getting slower and slower recently on the strip and wondered what I was doing wrong. Low compression cylinder 4 is the answer Just waiting to be rebuilt now But with the bonus of a few little extras
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Craig,

I`ll miss that scoob mate, we had some good times eh?





Cliff

 

hiya pal,
mine came with the spoiler on it, one of the reasons i bought the car really.
i was after an rb5, but when i saw this that was it, the bug gripped me again!
sorry i can't be more help!

 

Was wondering when guff like that was going to appear. Guess Im in the minority then. I bought my 3rd classic shape (p1) around the same time as the bug eye came out. The new p1 was next to a new bug eye in the showroom. There was no comparison looks wise, the bug eye was just the ugly sister and nobody in their right mind would buy it positioned next to a P1. Unless of course you were a cash challanged individual who could kid themselves into "getting to like the looks". Also when I sold the P1 I bought an older classic which i have only just sold for 22k.

Think youll find that the bug eye is hated by a lot of original classic owners as it was a step back performance wise, and a falling over backwards step back in the looks department. People who try to improve the looks of their bug eye are in fact admitting that the car is quite ugly to begin with.

 

Can i ask if the exterior of the 3 classics you have owned remained standard??

 

Only the 93 wrx was changed. Sti5 rear spoiler and colour coding of black plastic. It was quite nice to look at in standard form however, and the replaced parts were in no way ugly. The sti5typeR, P1 and 22b had no changes.

 

Here's mine

http://www.showoffyourcar.com//cars/SUBARU/9180.jpg

http://www.showoffyourcar.com//cars/SUBARU/9179.jpg

Had it over a year now, still pleased with it. Couple of subtle mods here and there (brakes-downpipe) but with the Prodrive lights and STi jobbies on the side it looks a bit smarter than standard IMO

 

People often don't like change and the bug was a big change looks wise. Virtually all of the comments at the time were solely about the looks.

I did not like the looks of the bug when it came out, but the STi models have grown on me. Whereas the classics are starting to look dated (IMHO).

STi bugs are quite rare to see and look quite good.

Performance wise I can't comment having only ever owned a blob STi.

 

Scoobynutta -

Your comment implies that anyone making any changes is "admitting" it is ugly, was your 93 classic ugly... if not then why did you mod it??

I know i'm being facetious but i think your comments are little too generic.. i have a bug-eye and i think it looks nice, i think the blob-eye is nice and for that matter the classic..

My previous car was a Mazda RX8 and most would say it looks nicer than my bug-eye although i wouldn't agree as "nice" is a subjective term...

 

My comment was specifically aimed at the bug eye. If you choose to put words into my mouth as to what I imply in general terms than you are incorrect in your assumptions. FWIW though, the standard 93 WRX could easily have its looks improved and was in no way an "attractive" car in standard form. The flip side is that is wasn't an ugly car like a bugeye

Also , nice being a subjective term. Of course it is, but nice as an overall general term can also be applied, as it is in a lot of situations. As for your generic arguement, I'll have to remember to IMHO everything in the future

 

I have 01 WRX BUGEYE. I must be the only person who have not change the front lamps. The looks I get are mixed, but then that's not such a bad thing is it? As it has been mentioned before on this thread. long as it has S U B A R U on it who cares.

 

To add my bit: my first scoob was/is still a bugeye with PPP. Cannot comment on a comparison between the clasic and the bugeye performance wise, but I can say this: the bugeye is newer, actually I got it almost brand new, build quality is quite good, it handles well and the PPP made justice for it in the performance department. If I look at a classic that looks quite outdated. Cannot say better as in my oppinion it does not look better, it looked good in his lifetime, but not any more; but again I like the looks of the bugeye, actually mine besides the PPP has absolutely no mods.
I also considered the re-sale value. Did calssic owners noticed they have a hard time selling ? or that they have to really drop the price ? And this also has the unfortunate chav effect, as they can now afford to buy an Impreza.....
To conclude: it is a very good car and is NOT slow I can tell you that. In about one and a half year of ownership I had no problems with it and I'd buy another one. But this time the STI

 

make it 2

 

Owned an 01 WRX for nearly 3 years and did inexcess of 80000 miles. Just as reliable as my previous MY00 and everybit as quick. Yes, it weighed more, but the stiffer chassis and more rigid bodyshell more than made up for it. It handled much better than my MY00 (both UK cars). Never liked the lights, so I changed mine to the Morettes (with HID). Got loads of comments about my car and it was even featured in a specialist Japanese Subaru magazine Add in better build quality and longer servicing intervals and it starts to make a lot of sense.







Chris

 

Sorry but

Cliff too true m8, missing the car loads hows yours doing?

 

Bug eye every bit as quick as a classic. You don't hear that everyday. Nice 4 door by the way

 

Me and Trap2 are Ecuteking in a few days, results will follow.
I have a WR Sport BB, HKS Hybrid Panel and am fitting a WR1 pump this weekend, pre-Ecutek. All the cosmetic bits (genuine items) came with the car, Subaru Dealer fitted them after it was taken in, it's a WRX 01 with 29k in April on the clock, now 34K.




Think Marmite and that's the Bugeye But enjoy.

 

I'm comparing a standard MY00 UK (decat) with a similar standard MY01 (decat). Now the MY00 was always said to be slower than the MY99 (which is true), so you can't make a generalisation about all classics, but I certainly found no difference in the cars and that is speaking as someone who did close to 120000 miles in 5 years in both cars. 01s are much stiffer with little or no bump steer and this makes a huge difference to the handling of the cars. Standard MY01s were also up, slightly on power too. There really wasn't much in it - certainly nothing that was noticable.

 

Didn't realise Scoobynutta555 had turned in a keyboard warrior!!!! Here comes the abuse!!!