Automatic braking...coming to a car near you!
06 September 2005, 09:35 PM
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Picture this..... you're driving along a twisty country lane with national limit and end up stuck behind a tractor moving much slower than you'd like to be travelling. A stretch of straight road appears and you decide it is safe to overtake and pull out, accelerating to 60 mph. As you pull alongside the tractor you unknowingly cross into a 30 mph at the outskirts of a village (you know how far out of villages they extend the 30's these days 
) and the system begins to slow you whilst you are still on the wrong side of the road and alongside the tractor, just as another car comes into view 
A very real prospect, and as a survivor, or relative of anyone who got killed in this way, I would have Tony by the throat up against the wall and be feeding him accident statistics through the other route. Set of nannying *****
) and the system begins to slow you whilst you are still on the wrong side of the road and alongside the tractor, just as another car comes into view A very real prospect, and as a survivor, or relative of anyone who got killed in this way, I would have Tony by the throat up against the wall and be feeding him accident statistics through the other route. Set of nannying *****
06 September 2005, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by corradoboy
Picture this..... you're driving along a twisty country lane with national limit and end up stuck behind a tractor moving much slower than you'd like to be travelling. A stretch of straight road appears and you decide it is safe to overtake and pull out, accelerating to 60 mph. As you pull alongside the tractor you unknowingly cross into a 30 mph at the outskirts of a village (you know how far out of villages they extend the 30's these days ) and the system begins to slow you whilst you are still on the wrong side of the road and alongside the tractor, just as another car comes into view
A very real prospect, and as a survivor, or relative of anyone who got killed in this way, I would have Tony by the throat up against the wall and be feeding him accident statistics through the other route. Set of nannying *****
) and the system begins to slow you whilst you are still on the wrong side of the road and alongside the tractor, just as another car comes into view A very real prospect, and as a survivor, or relative of anyone who got killed in this way, I would have Tony by the throat up against the wall and be feeding him accident statistics through the other route. Set of nannying *****
A stretch of straight road appears and you decide it is safe to overtake and pull out, accelerating to 60 mph. As you pull alongside the tractor you unknowingly cross into a 30 mph at the outskirts of a village (you know how far out of villages they extend the 30's these days
) and you plough into a kid crossing the road on his bike from feilds were he's been playing with mates - his mum has told him never to cross the road unless he's the right side of the 30 limit.
07 September 2005, 08:17 AM
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I also saw it reported that they are experimenting with the chip in a number plate so that they will be able to monitor all car journeys with a network of electronic pickups and can charge you as you use the road as well as tolls where in force and can even monitor average speed with a view to prosecution for speeding! They will know whenever you take the car out and where you have been with it.
We are indeed being set up for the great plan of total control, it will take a little longer to get cctv cameras in every home to watch us there as well of course.
This is all being done to prevent crime and terrorism of course!
Hedgehog will doubtless be able to tell us more about this with a bit of luck.
Les
We are indeed being set up for the great plan of total control, it will take a little longer to get cctv cameras in every home to watch us there as well of course.
This is all being done to prevent crime and terrorism of course!
Hedgehog will doubtless be able to tell us more about this with a bit of luck.
Les
07 September 2005, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Hedgehog will doubtless be able to tell us more about this with a bit of luck.
Les
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07 September 2005, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
a kid crossing the road on his bike from feilds were he's been playing with mates
Typical narrow-minded profiteering policies ! FFS, it is perfectly legal in this country to supply a 4 year old with a bicycle and then leave them unsupervised where they could ride legally on a 70mph dual carriageway amongst 38 tonne trucks. Whilst this kind of idiocy is allowed, all our government can think of is how to stop us straying 3mph over a limit here and there. Their own statistics confirm that only 7% of accidents are directly caused by speed, but it is the easiest target for profit How many accidents each year on our roads are caused by unqualified, unlicensed, uninsured cyclists riding along oblivious to traffic law as they mount pavements, skip red lights and go without lights during the hours of darkness. How many 8 year olds on the back of horses cause unexpected dangers on our country lanes. The stupid, arrogant, indestructable pedestrians (especially the teenage variety) I have already mentioned. Target these with your millions in research grants and implement some effective measures to stop the stupidity and I may give credence to your arguments, until then I shall see it all for what it is; statistical manipulation aimed at controlling a braindead population for profit. Isn't it strange how the Isle of Man with its stretches of unrestricted roads has a lower accident rate than mainland Britain ! Isn't it funny how Germany's autobahns have lower accident statistics than our motorways, despite over 50% of their 7500 miles being derestricted ! Could it be something to do with drivers being alert and conscious to the fact that they are actually supposed to be driving and not texting, drinking coffee, chatting on the phone etc. The more control removed from the driver of a car, the less involvement they will have and therefore they will be more easily distracted. As speed cameras have proven, take the minds focus away from driving the car, in their case to monitor the speedo, and people will have more accidents. Half measures of automated car control are a recipe for disaster, and until you can simply get in the car and let it drive you all the way to your destination without you needing to be in control they will only serve to further detach people from the job in hand and more than likely increase the accident rate.
IMHO the money ploughed into current road policy and research would be better aimed at pedestrian education (did you know that the Green Cross Code is no longer taught in schools ? ), cyclist and horse rider education, qualification and regulation, and more traffic officers out there to influence a better standard of driving than the disorganised chaos which seems to be increasing day by day.
On a recent motorway journey a few days ago, it was humerous to see that the best behaved car on the highway (except for me
) was the 350bhp Evo, whom without fail indicated clearly and used the lanes properly. Just the sort of vehicle these nannying beurocrats want to see off our roads
07 September 2005, 10:31 AM
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Exactly you have hit the nail in the head ! But as you have stated its not profitable and it can't be made into a nice spin / ad for the radion / TV so it wont be done ! Very Sad but true.
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07 September 2005, 10:54 AM
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Another amazing but true statistic. The average speed of a vehicle as it hits a pedestrian is just 11mph, so how about a blanket 4mph with a man with a red flag in front of every car
07 September 2005, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by corradoboy
Which goes to substantiate the fact that 80% of pedestrians run over step out into moving traffic, 71% are within 100 yards of a pedestrian crossing, 86% after the hours of 10pm are intoxicated etc. At what point does the blame get removed from the car driver and the government policy get moved towards the real problem ? Or is that just pie in the sky, as pedestrians don't have insurance to cover the costs of the carnage they often create Typical narrow-minded profiteering policies ! FFS, it is perfectly legal in this country to supply a 4 year old with a bicycle and then leave them unsupervised where they could ride legally on a 70mph dual carriageway amongst 38 tonne trucks. Whilst this kind of idiocy is allowed, all our government can think of is how to stop us straying 3mph over a limit here and there. Their own statistics confirm that only 7% of accidents are directly caused by speed, but it is the easiest target for profit How many accidents each year on our roads are caused by unqualified, unlicensed, uninsured cyclists riding along oblivious to traffic law as they mount pavements, skip red lights and go without lights during the hours of darkness. How many 8 year olds on the back of horses cause unexpected dangers on our country lanes. The stupid, arrogant, indestructable pedestrians (especially the teenage variety) I have already mentioned. Target these with your millions in research grants and implement some
effective measures to stop the stupidity and I may give credence to your arguments, until then I shall see it all for what it is; statistical manipulation aimed at controlling a braindead population for profit. Isn't it strange how the Isle of Man with its stretches of unrestricted roads has a lower accident rate than mainland Britain ! Isn't it funny how Germany's autobahns have lower accident statistics than our motorways, despite over 50% of their 7500 miles being derestricted ! Could it be something to do with drivers being alert and conscious to the fact that they are actually supposed to be driving and not texting, drinking coffee, chatting on the phone etc. The more control removed from the driver of a car, the less involvement they will have and therefore they will be more easily distracted. As speed cameras have proven, take the minds focus away from driving the car, in their case to monitor the speedo, and people will have more accidents. Half measures of automated car control are a recipe for disaster, and until you can simply get in the car and let it drive you all the way to your destination without you needing to be in control they will only serve to further detach people from the job in hand and more than likely increase the accident rate.
IMHO the money ploughed into current road policy and research would be better aimed at pedestrian education (did you know that the Green Cross Code is no longer taught in schools ? ), cyclist and horse rider education, qualification and regulation, and more traffic officers out there to influence a better standard of driving than the disorganised chaos which seems to be increasing day by day.
On a recent motorway journey a few days ago, it was humerous to see that the best behaved car on the highway (except for me ) was the 350bhp Evo, whom without fail indicated clearly and used the lanes properly. Just the sort of vehicle these nannying beurocrats want to see off our roads
Typical narrow-minded profiteering policies ! FFS, it is perfectly legal in this country to supply a 4 year old with a bicycle and then leave them unsupervised where they could ride legally on a 70mph dual carriageway amongst 38 tonne trucks. Whilst this kind of idiocy is allowed, all our government can think of is how to stop us straying 3mph over a limit here and there. Their own statistics confirm that only 7% of accidents are directly caused by speed, but it is the easiest target for profit How many accidents each year on our roads are caused by unqualified, unlicensed, uninsured cyclists riding along oblivious to traffic law as they mount pavements, skip red lights and go without lights during the hours of darkness. How many 8 year olds on the back of horses cause unexpected dangers on our country lanes. The stupid, arrogant, indestructable pedestrians (especially the teenage variety) I have already mentioned. Target these with your millions in research grants and implement some effective measures to stop the stupidity and I may give credence to your arguments, until then I shall see it all for what it is; statistical manipulation aimed at controlling a braindead population for profit. Isn't it strange how the Isle of Man with its stretches of unrestricted roads has a lower accident rate than mainland Britain ! Isn't it funny how Germany's autobahns have lower accident statistics than our motorways, despite over 50% of their 7500 miles being derestricted ! Could it be something to do with drivers being alert and conscious to the fact that they are actually supposed to be driving and not texting, drinking coffee, chatting on the phone etc. The more control removed from the driver of a car, the less involvement they will have and therefore they will be more easily distracted. As speed cameras have proven, take the minds focus away from driving the car, in their case to monitor the speedo, and people will have more accidents. Half measures of automated car control are a recipe for disaster, and until you can simply get in the car and let it drive you all the way to your destination without you needing to be in control they will only serve to further detach people from the job in hand and more than likely increase the accident rate.
IMHO the money ploughed into current road policy and research would be better aimed at pedestrian education (did you know that the Green Cross Code is no longer taught in schools ? ), cyclist and horse rider education, qualification and regulation, and more traffic officers out there to influence a better standard of driving than the disorganised chaos which seems to be increasing day by day.
On a recent motorway journey a few days ago, it was humerous to see that the best behaved car on the highway (except for me
) was the 350bhp Evo, whom without fail indicated clearly and used the lanes properly. Just the sort of vehicle these nannying beurocrats want to see off our roads
07 September 2005, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by corradoboy
Which goes to substantiate the fact that 80% of pedestrians run over step out into moving traffic,
although you have substantiated your rather long post with mine which involves a driver overtaking at 200% above the speed limit for that road.
07 September 2005, 03:32 PM
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OK Tiggs, firstly I would hope the mother would add a little more detail when educating little Timmy. Don't step out into the road unless it's 30mph (like a kid will know where the limit changes ) and especially if there's a bl00dy great tractor coming, and possibly a car trying to overtake but forced into a dangerous position by the intereference of an onboard big brother new Labour stealth taxation privacy invader.
Secondly, your maths is as bad as your English. 60 in a 30 would be 100% over
I drive a 260bhp car, capable of silly speeds and will admit to speeding on every single journey I ever make. The adolescent rebel inside me makes me speed even more around speed cameras, and yet I haven't had an accident in 18 years, and a speeding conviction in over 10. I do however constantly analyse the standard of driving of those around me and it is always, without fail the plodding half asleep doddering half-wits in average slow moving blandwagons whom leave a trail of chaos behind them. Just today I have watched a forty something female drift from lane to lane oblivious of other traffic, then cut up everybody on a roundabout and indicate right to leave it before pulling across from the outside lane to park in a bus stop without indication. Last night I watched an unmarked traffic police car screach its tyres around a roundabout and leave it without indication, exceed the speed limit significantly along a dual carriageway whilst remaining in the outside lane even though he wasn't overtaking anybody, he then passed a cyclist who was on the public highway at night with no lights, and made no attempt to stop the people carrier (isn't it always them) with the foglights on in clear conditions.
On the other hand, yesterday I travelled at speeds well into 3 figures and never came close to endangering myself or others. Which is the most dangerous ? The dopey clueless halfwits with no concept of the highway code and complete ignorance of their own actions and the effects it has on others, or the competent, considerate, skilled driver whom obeys every traffic law except one when in his own educated and discerning opinion it is perfectly safe to do so ?
I'm not justifying speeding here, just that speeding is not the evil we are led to believe by the policy makers whom stand to profit from the fact that it is easy to detect and prosecute, to the detrement of the much more dangerous dereliction of duty that the braindead majority of drivers on Britains roads commit every day in their millions.
) and especially if there's a bl00dy great tractor coming, and possibly a car trying to overtake but forced into a dangerous position by the intereference of an onboard big brother new Labour stealth taxation privacy invader.Secondly, your maths is as bad as your English. 60 in a 30 would be 100% over
I drive a 260bhp car, capable of silly speeds and will admit to speeding on every single journey I ever make. The adolescent rebel inside me makes me speed even more around speed cameras, and yet I haven't had an accident in 18 years, and a speeding conviction in over 10. I do however constantly analyse the standard of driving of those around me and it is always, without fail the plodding half asleep doddering half-wits in average slow moving blandwagons whom leave a trail of chaos behind them. Just today I have watched a forty something female drift from lane to lane oblivious of other traffic, then cut up everybody on a roundabout and indicate right to leave it before pulling across from the outside lane to park in a bus stop without indication. Last night I watched an unmarked traffic police car screach its tyres around a roundabout and leave it without indication, exceed the speed limit significantly along a dual carriageway whilst remaining in the outside lane even though he wasn't overtaking anybody, he then passed a cyclist who was on the public highway at night with no lights, and made no attempt to stop the people carrier (isn't it always them) with the foglights on in clear conditions.
On the other hand, yesterday I travelled at speeds well into 3 figures and never came close to endangering myself or others. Which is the most dangerous ? The dopey clueless halfwits with no concept of the highway code and complete ignorance of their own actions and the effects it has on others, or the competent, considerate, skilled driver whom obeys every traffic law except one when in his own educated and discerning opinion it is perfectly safe to do so ?
I'm not justifying speeding here, just that speeding is not the evil we are led to believe by the policy makers whom stand to profit from the fact that it is easy to detect and prosecute, to the detrement of the much more dangerous dereliction of duty that the braindead majority of drivers on Britains roads commit every day in their millions.
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