TonyFlow

Any links to videos of Rossi's "feat"?

Karl 227

Karl 227

Sorry

Jeff Wiltshire

Highlight for me was when Rossi left the pack behind and did fastest lap (1.45.xx) which was 3 odd seconds faster than the guys behind.....Mamola (no slouch on a Bike himeself, 3 times 500cc runner up etc) saying on air "Jesus, how does he do that"...

The man is the most naturally gifted rider since Freddie Spencer....quite possible the best bike racer ever.

Milamber

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Didn't know there was still a debate about it.

After yesterdays performance I would have thought the answer was obvious. sixth to 3rd within 1 corner, numerous high sides and some ridiculously stupid lap times (Barros etc weren't exactly coasting at that point), the close ups of his right wrist showed clearly the throttle control he has, lets fact it 250bhp in the wet (actualy, more like in a bath it was so wet) is not easy to control.

I'm a fan but even my wife was shrieking on every high side.

blip

Rossi is clearly the greatest!! That was just stunning, especially considering that there were other top riders on the same tyres barely able to stay on the track when running 2-3 seconds slower than him. Genius

Totally agree about F1. I used to be its biggest fan, but I get more excited watching Wimbledon these days. You can hardly call it racing any more, let alone the pinnacle of motorsport! It is a joke.

CrisPDuk

No, in fact what he said was "it seems unecessary to criticise F1 that severely", I was merely disputing that statement

CrisPDuk

Do you not find the Moody/Ryder/Mamola mutual wankathon irritating after a while? I've just watched the eurosport footage from yesterday (having watch the bbc's coverage live) and noticed that they were so busy talking bollox that they missed; Melandri taking Bayliss out, Rossi's big highside escape, the Rossi/Roberts synchronised twitch onto the pit straight, and other incidents to numerous to count. They were usually still so busy talking crap that they missed the slo-mos on the first couple of plays too!

Edcase

Milamber

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You are right but I actually love their commentary style.

rr_ww

Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Not once did I feel like they missed anything significant. They "woahed" in unison as the riders were having moments. I dont need to be force fed commentary, only using it to highlight things I wouldnt have known.

But please feel free to go back to getting gratification from watching Suzy Perry prance about trying to **** half the grid Or Steve Parrish dropping the words "me and Barry" into every other sentance. Oh and dont get me started on Charlie "Mondeo Crash" ***. And his ridiculous similies

The Chief

Well if you'd rather drool over Mamola than Suzy Perry your more than welcome my friend - each to there own!

rr_ww

I dont watch MotoGP to drool over anybody. I have adults expressing themselves on DVD for that

I watch it for what it is.

swaussie

The guy is in a league of his own. It took Doohan 5 years to get his first 500cc title at the age of 29 and he went on to claim 5 titles. Rossi won in his second year out and already has 4 titles at 26 years of age (not to mention his 125 and 250 titles)

Jeff Wiltshire

At least Mamola knows what he's talking about....having won a number of GP's including the 1984 British GP.

The Rossi thing is interesting....no doubt the guy is brillant but he'll probable never beat the number of championships that people like Nieto, Agostini or Phil Read have won simple because of the number of classes they ran in (50, 80, 125, 250, 350 & 500). To put it into context the 1985 British GP was won (in the pouring rain at Silverstone) by Freddie Spencer with an 8 sec lead.....who had already came 4th in the 250cc race which won him the 250 World Championship. He went on to win the 500cc World Championship, as well that year to be the only rider ever to do the double in the same year, then never won another GP.......

JRS

i can remember a certain mr A Senna passing 6 cars in 1 lap in the wet in 93 at donny

The Chief

Yeah your right he did, but Rossi passed 5 riders within a couple of corners!!!!!

The Chief

And besides i dont think we'll ever see the likes of someone like Senna again - like Rossi the guy was in a class of his own!

r32

I think after Sunday its quite clear that Valentino walks on water. Dont forget that the Honda's have a demon electronic gizmo that softens the acceleration in the lower gears, preventing wheelspin and thats why they get off the grid so well, which apparently worked on the whole gear range for sunday. Velentino used his skill and immense control on the Yamaha..... amazing, just amazing and what a pleasant young guy he is too.....

Leslie

I think it will be a shame if they bring traction control etc into Moto GP. by all means go for the best handling and power you can get but one of the reasons we watch is to see the skills of the riders which was so well demonstrated on Sunday. None better than Rossi of course.

Crispduck,

There must have been some confusion over what I meant. I agreed absolutely with what you want to see in the F1 regulations, I want to see the drivers skills emphasised again and the changes you suggest were what I said anyway. The aerodynamics are the biggest killer of the spectacle we used to enjoy.

I personally still think it is wrong to write off F1 however, there are still instances of brave and outstanding driving and I also find the races interesting to watch as far as tactics etc are concerned. The FIA and its leader as well as their regulations have a lot to answer for I agree and hopefully that will change when the new regulations come into force. As I said, it is the pinnacle of car racing engineering and that is of interest in itself. As Edcase said, the drivers do not deserve criticism. It takes a special ability to get the best out of an F1 car and the slowest man on the grid is in a class of his own as far as driving ability is concerned. Put him into a faster car and he will demonstrate that for you.

It must be obvious that I enjoy all forms of racing and will watch anything from stock car racing on up. Even the BTCC version!

Les

Milamber

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Don't they already have it? You don't see them laying darkies like they used to.


Mark webber for instance? Perhaps not a good example


Same here, even the weird icelandic stuff they used to show on Channel 4 and eurosport. Driving across lakes on overinflated tyres - mental!!

Milamber

CrisPDuk

Watch one of the re-showings on eurosport this week and you'll see my point, most of the "woahs" in unison were at replays of incidents not the incidents themselves. To be fair Mamola: and Moody I can cope with, but Julian Ryder winds me up no end, yes I am aware he is very knowledgeable, and I really enjoy the style of his books, but he definitely has a voice for silent movies

PS I'm with the Chief when it comes to choosing who to drool over

CrisPDuk

So in fact you're feeling the need to point out that Les said something that has no relevance to my reply then

CrisPDuk

That is the point I disagree with you about Les, I feel that until the public does write off F1, and turns away in droves, the TV companies will keep handing over not so small fortunes for the broadcast rights and in turn, the w@nkers in charge will not feel the need to change the rules in order to bring back proper, entertaining racing. I do not dispute the fact that the drivers themselves, even the slower ones (and the test drivers who don't even get a race drive), are possibly at the pinnacle of their sport. In fact I'd like to see a few of them turn up in other disciplines, as happened in the Fangio/Moss era, then we can get an idea of how truly great they are


BTW for reference they have had traction control in MotoGP for 2 or 3 years now. Yes, it may have reduced the size & quantity of smoking slides out of corners, but, as was demonstrated on Sunday the side-effect is spectacular highsides in tricky conditions

Milamber

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Look at DTM for Alesi, Frentzen, Hakkinen battling it out. not all of them doing very well.

Leslie

I dont think we are that far apart Crispduck. I think that the FIA and Bernie Ecclestone have seen the trend of the possible loss of droves of spectators already and that is why the FIA produced that list of questions on what the fans actually want to see. Hopefully they do not have their heads so far up that they dont take notice of it. I want to see close racing as much as anyone since I also remember the days of Fangio, Moss, Gonzalez and the like. They also used to drive in saloon car and sports car races as well as the GP but that is not allowed any more. I do still get pleasure out of watching them now though as I said. Maybe if they threw the wings away and allowed Brabham type fans on the rear to suck the air away from the underneath of the cars we might get some real spectacle again.

I for one won't give up yet on F1 as long as I can hope for the regulation changes in the future.

Did not realise about traction control for bikes has been in for that long, I don't think that Rossi had it though which explains his slow start. Hope that does not progress to automatic gear change/launch control and even some form of aerodynamics in the future.

Les

CrisPDuk

Rossi's bike does have traction control, but unlike the Hondas, Yam's do not have a 'launch control' system. I personally think Rossi deliberately ***** his starts up to give himself a bit of an early laps challenge
All the bikes do still have the traditional form of traction control fitted anyway Namely Twist the throttle right open, & balance the bike by feathering the rear brake with your foot but only the former dirt bikers, Hayden in particular, use it

I can't see automatic gear changes making their way onto bikes because they already have sequential shifters, and any gadgetry is only going to be unnecessary additional weight. The same is true with wings, the rider, and especially his movement, has a much larger effect on the balance of a bike than a driver has on an F1 car, so IMO it would be impossible to provide a wing that would be effective.

C 8HEP

any1 lend me there vid please if they recorded it cause i missed it? pleaseeeeeeeeeee

chris