Have to be a wagon then

 

Does it have a VTA dump valve; Jamaican flag hanging from the rear view mirror and 'Lexus' lights..........?

 

Wave at them and then post it on "Was it you?" whinging about them not waving back.

 

Run if the car makes a "droning" noise ? Suspect they have machine guns when it's just the big end letting go ?

 

The question everone seems to be missing (if we are accepting a correlation between the UK's involvement in Iraq and the london bombings) is this:-

What price the removal of Sadam Hussain from power in Iraq?

Is the death of £000's of innocent Iraqi's and (potentially) hundereds in London an acceptable price to pay in the grand scheme of a liberated Iraq?

On balance, with absolute pragmatism, I'd have to say yes, in the grand scheme of things it is a price worth paying - IF and only IF getting rid of SH was the right thing to do.

Now, I don't know any Iraqi's so I don't know what the reality of that last point is and therefore can only speculate, much like, I suspect, the rest of you.

 

By the same token, wouldn't it just have been easier to leave Saddam Hussein in place and let a similar amount of people be killed under his regime?

 

That's kind of the point though isn't it? We assume we are better, we assume everybody else wants to be free and live like us. It is all too apparent that they don't otherwise we wouldn't have an issue with insurgents in Iraq or bombers in London. That we do, suggests that we have fukced up somewhere along the line.

 

Okay so we got rid of Saddam Hussian....

What has it achieved?

Who has really benifited from the invasion of Iraq?

and.......

Whats everyone doing this weekend?

 

Quite.

Personally, I believe these things are always dealt with half heartedy.

In an attempt to spare as many "innocents" as possible, it all goes to sh*t.

IMO it should be all or nothing. "We" should either have nuked the crap out of baghdad and afghanistan, or just left the Iraqis to sort out their own internal problems.

 

Arguably yes, leaving aside the oil issue.

 

EXACTLY.... thats why half of what is happening is happening.... forcing our way of life upon others on the presumption that they want to live like us....

 

Moses I think you are wrong there. Modern British culture for many is to be a chav, a lout, to binge drink, fight, ****, take drugs etc, but to say the British have no culture is clearly wrong. Consider the following:

English is the world's language
Football and Rugby
Best TV in the world
Cricket
Ramblers
British seaside resorts
Best theatres and theatrical production.
The best music in the world
Birdspotters, trainspotters and hobbyists in general (Including this site)
The British legal system (what most modern fair legal systems are based on)
The Royals, Lords etc
Proud military history and tradition
Educational institutions
British comedy
Carboot sales and farmers markets
Freedom of expression
Village Fetes
5000+ years of civilisation combining pagans, Celts, Romans, Vikings, Normans, Jews, Muslims etc
etc etc

Just because we don't have loud, colourful religious festivals or rituals or that you aren't interested in the above doesn't mean there is no culture.

 

 

Can we add Curry Houses to that list of British cultural icons.
Some of the best "Indian" food I have ever eaten came from a halal restaurant in London's East end.

 

OK then, i'm French

 

[QUOTE=hawkthescoobslayer]it wasn't BUT surely you've felt the tensions rising over the past few years extremists have been encouraging this sort of thing to happen

Secondly 911 certainly wasn't due to an "invasion" of iraq.
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I'm sorry but you're wrong.

 

On the radio now, sounds like the guy who ran on the train this morning is linked to yesterdays attempts, theyve not said if he was carrying a bomb today but definately making sure it sounds like he was involved yesterday....

few more roads closed around London now

 

If that's your definition of "Britishness" we really are in a poor state.

 

[QUOTE=rik1471]Wrong about what???

course tensions have been rising over the years, all the riots in Oldham/Burnley/Bradford etc... these idiots who are preaching on streets etc...

and hes correct that 9/11 wasnt due to an invasion of iraq....

so go on then, whats he wrong about? cant just tell someone theyre wrong without offering an alternative... would you please enlighten us?

 

Well, what's yours then?

 

So the 911 bombers acted becuase they knew America was going to invade Iraq in the future? Get real.

 

olly, yeah these are the new breed of psychic (sp) terrorists....

 

Unless they were 10 years late on attacking the US

 

That's one way of looking at it, but GW1 wasn't really much of an invasion.

 

Rumor has it that another person has been shot dead by police.

Oh dear, what a shame. Like I care that these scum are being executed. Might teach them a lesson that they cannot commit their acts of terror and get away with it. I'm sure no-one will miss them.

 

well im a muslim scotsman then a british pakistani

 

mate i got no probs with whites i got white brothers my friends , i dont need to justify or say well i aint racist i have white friends, it sounds bo-l-l-c-k-s but but but

im racist to anyone who is racist

and the white people who r my friends and the good people same as any other race r my brothers and sisters and i dont see them as white, i only see bigots and racists as white

i thought u knew my definition of white

i said im a muslim them im a scot and then a pakistani brit

being a muslim first makes me more of a scotsman and a pakistani than being a brit first and then a muslim, we have so many brits in this countrym majority call themselves brits and they dont really give a **** of the wellbeing of this country

well me being a muslim makes me more faithful to my land scotland and country britain

 

mate above is good but it aint a culture, we people do the above already so what integration is left , were the best at the above but it aint culture

culture is your daily lives, so what other way is left for integration

cheers

 

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Man, I was with you for a few posts there too.

Do you realise how racist that statement is moses?

You might not mean it with any bad intent at all but a lot of us are white and aren't bigots nor racists. We don't need to be your friend to prove that we're good people!

 

So, the bloke had a detonator in his hand?!!??!!?

Sounds more like a Die Hard movie than real life.

Either way, shooting him or not, who gives a f$ck, dirty peasant has no rights anyway.