Johnny E

***** Envy???????????

Or do you want special treatment 'cos u gotta fanjita?

(Or should I say ginga minge)???

little-ginge

PMSL... I may not have a ginga thingy..( I hate that 'm' word). I admit it... I've always wanted my brains down there - I'm soooo jealous of you blokes!! Anyhow, I thought you had to get up in the morning?

Johnny E

Jeez, now you sound like my mom

I get the hint................and i'm off again(and not like milk)..............

little-ginge

Night!! Oh I may sound like a mom occasionally but I'm only 26!

Johnny E

Aaaahhaaahhh, the wisdom inborn to all women, even youngsters like your good self

Felix.

If only......

Typical shoplifter

Arrest, if they are oppsoite sex you need a collegue and transport. Wait anything up to an hour in the custody holding room. Book the prisoner into custody. Search must now be done of the prisoners home for evidence of similar offences, this needs to be authorised by an inspector who is usually about half an hour away. Search again needs to be done by a double crewed unit. Statements need then to obtained form the shop and security guard who saw the incident. CCTV needs to be recovered weather it shows the offence or not. Financial analysis forms to be completed for the suspect on the contents of their homes. After this their solicitor needs to be told what evidence there is against their client, this is now done by a written disclosure (another report). Interview of suspect on tape. The evidence now needs to be seen by a Case Reveiw Manager - one per station; an hours wait normally in a que. If this is ok'd, another hours wait to see the CPS solicitor. If sufficient to charge - suspect is charged at the next available slot in custody - another wait. Fingerprint, photograph'd and DNA samples taken as well as an inteligence form from the suspect. Suspect is bailed/remanded. File now needs to be completed by the end of the shift including police statements, bad charctter reports, written summery of the interview, witness contact list, exhibit list, file front sheet, CPS report, PNC print etc etc. The crime report has to be written and detected, intelligence report submitted.

And this is for a straight forward guilty plea - if they go not guilty in interview, CPS will direct the suspect be bailed pending obtaing all other statements from staff and witnesses in the shop, copies of the CCTV, any further SOCO evidence etc etc.

this is why its not 'dead easy'

KiwiGTI

There seems to be a common misunderstanding amongst the public about the role of police in society, in particular that they should come running immediately when someone calls them.

This is not the case, the duty of the police is to maintain order in society, not to the individual so no-one can really complain when they don't/can't turn up for their own individual incidents. It's a false expectation.

In reality their duty is to the state, not the people. (Ever notice how many turn up to a peaceful protest?)

dexter

Felix, I sympathise with you, but you are wasting your time (not to mention the ends of your fingers) typing all of this lot out.

The sad fact of the matter is that you are going to get slated no matter what you say, because this forum (enjoyable as it is for most of the time) is made up of a cross section of society; a society which, for the most part these days, would like to do exactly as it wants, when it wants, and yes, the Police just get in the way of that.

Anyone on here that`s actually taken any notice of what you have said will probably be reasonable, law-abiding people anyway, that will, no-doubt, be quite astonished at the work required in processing a relatively simple job.

And the others ? You will never convert them, or convince them that what you do, on a daily basis, is at all worthwhile, so don`t waste your energy !

little-ginge

I don't think they should come running. As I said earlier I more than understand that there are much more higher priorities and quite rightly so.

What amazes me is that when we hear that police are busy, how come my local force send out 2 officers at 3:30pm on a Saturday afternoon to conduct a snails pace drive by of all the cars in private driveways to check they have valid tax discs??

Gone are the days whereby you had a local bobby who had a dedicated 'patch' and everyone knew his name and face. It's alarming that when 13 yr old girls are getting raped, old ladies mugged and beaten up, cars are being stolen & torched and lone females being intimidated and threatened by a bunch of blokes ( all varying priorities), seeing sight of an officer is like finding a needle in a haystack.

I imagine the police officers themselves are just as frustrated at the levels of crime & disturbance and at how quickly they can deal with these. Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing the police - in fact we have many Police officers who dedicate themselves to their jobs and who provide protection for the country. Whoever gets in on Thursday, should have a further look at the levels of policing cause it's about time we got it right!

p.s I am a law abiding citizen!!

Jerome

Felix.,

If that is what is required for a shoplifter, I dread to think what is required for a more complex or serious crime.

Although I'm not sure what the answer is, what was the process, say, 20 years ago? Why can't it go back to the procedure then? Or has society become so keen to protect the rights of criminals, that 70 pages of reports needs to be produced for even the simplest of offences.

It isn't the bobby on the beat's fault, he or she does what they are ordered/contracted to do. I doubt it is even the fault of Chief Inspectors. It must lie with government and their eagerness to appease the criminal's apologists. A sorry state of affairs.

And before more people join in slating the British police, they are, with very few exceptions, an outstanding force of men and women. The envy of the world and one of the few that are not routinely armed.

If you were to experience the corruption and incompetence of the London, Ontario, Police service, you would never complain about the British police ever again. The Toronto Police Service aren't a great deal better, with 17 officers currently charged with a variety of very serious corruption offences.

I have a serious issue with a couple of British Police Officers in East Anglia, but despite that, the British police are still a force to be proud of. Only last week a memorial to the courageous men and women of the British Police, who have given their lives in the line of duty, was unveiled. Lest we forget...

Wish

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so your a female of 26 with the harrasment of chavs in a car, give you racial abuse and still nothing ............ Hope it dies down.


even the AA / RAC give priority to lone females ...

Brendan Hughes

Wish, you're no fun

mart360

why are you quoting current procedure??

it was precisely this that gives the delays....

hence the comment, arrest, charge convict or release..

ps without being pedantic, i fail to see why transport has anything to do with an arrest??

as far as i understand, once you are arrested, you are arrested. the transport issuee to the staion should be a van or car,,, its only our stupid pc culture that has all these namby pamby criminal protection luxurys..

when policing returns to sensible land, and people arnt afriad to stop some one because they might offend or cause other consternation, prehaps we may see some light at the end of the tunnell..

you have a chance tommrow !!!


M

Felix.

Our station has two Transit vans used for prisoner transport, the other vehicles are Ford Focus's. All the available units will be used to tackle the job que, so if i turn up to a chewy shoplifter in a Ford Focus, i will need to use the van to transport them back. The vans may be tied up with other jobs (burglary's etc) - so i have to wait until one becomes available. Then they have to get from one side of town to another.

This all adds on time.

I'm using this as an example of our red-tape. However, I can not see it being easy to go backwards.

Stop houses searches - and miss other crimes that these people have done
Stop the financial analysis - and miss people who are living by the proceeds of crime
Stop taking statements - and loose cases on lack of evidence
Stop seeking advice from CPS - and waist taxpayers money proceeding with cases that will fail.
Stop reviewing all CCTV - and be torn apart at court by the defence
Stop written disclosure to solicitors - and always have a 'no-comment' interview

The list is endless

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

Agree with all those who think policing has gone **** up in this country. Very few respect the Police at all these days. They have themselves to blame with policies that alienate them from the general public. I used to respect them and have faith, but that has disappeared over recent years.

Everything is geared towards protecting the scum's 'human rights' and the police don't want to tackle real crime like violence, robbery or drug dealing. Better to concentrate on the easy pickings (motorists).

Who's going to give them more trouble? Me in my WRX having strayed over the limit, obviously holding down a job and contributing to society, hence able to afford the car (and fines), or some low life with nothing to lose conducting serious criminal activities. No surprise they target me and leave the proper nasty criminals largely alone.

I've seen first hand how ridiculous it’s got. Saw a major fight outside a take away the other week. Some people were quite bashed up. Police simply didn't care and just dispersed the crowd. My car got broken into with hundreds of pounds worth of damage done. Police didn't even bother to come out and look at it. Got no faith in the police to help me when I really need it. Useless.

Felix - I feel for you and can see you are obviously doing your best. My hat goes off to you. However, you work for a joke of a police force obsessed with being politically correct rather than tackling real crime. Procedures, red-tape to go through blah blah blah. Send my regards to your colleagues down the station and pass on the message that most of us are getting pretty sick of your inability to do much other than issue fixed penalty charges.

Chris5-0

Reality check!!

Ny first job last night was a report of a male with an SA80 assault rifle walking through town waving it around. Which way did i go?

Straight towards it!

That's my job. And that of other officers who chose this profession in an effort to help the general public. I don't have to do it, i don't have to endure the sniping from idiots on forums who haven't a clue what we do but i do, a. because i like that one time when someone comes up to me and says thanks for helping and b. because i can make a difference!

Felix,

Don'y know where your from mate but it sounds like it might be my force, keep at it mate, you learn to ignore the muppets on here and just giggle away as they get speeding tickets cus they can't keep their feet off the loud peddle!!!

Felix.

Ben - have a think

This big fight. How do yuo know that anyone is making any sort of complaint to the police? Most people in fights won't speak to us or make any sort of assault complaint. All we can do in that case is tell them to go away.

Your car - I know it is frustrating, but if no-one saw the incident or you do not know who has done it, then there is little point in seeing a police officer in person. All the info we need can be done over the phone. This frees up our time to tackle the job que, surley this is more efficient.

Chris5-0

Felix,

They want us to go, sit there, nod and be sympathetic and then go out and catch the criminal and recover the stolen gear! Even with no forensic, witnesses, security marking on property or any idea at all about what we have to do!! Obvious isn't it?!?

Went back to my old nick last night as my shift were on and the morale there is rock bottom, its only the fact they get on so well is keeping 90% in the job, too much paperwork, not enough bodies on shift. I really don't know whats going to happen over next year or so but can see problems ahead!!

Jap2Scrap

Got to say Felix that this part is b0llocks. It makes no difference if the person is seen and identified and you have witnesses to corroborate id. The police round here seem to give less than a **** about car crime. I know. I was a victim of £1600 worth of vandalism which was witnessed. I pushed and pushed for the police to follow it up, providing names of the perpetrator, witnesses, addresses, photographs, etc. and the "system" finally decided to drop it as the suspect had said they weren't guilty and got some mates to give them an alibi. The alibi could have been blown wide open with a few questions, I know, I've been to the restaurant they said she was at and they don't remember seeing her, but because the CPS decided not to follow it up it got dropped. So it seems to me that you need damn more than a witness to get things done even if the person committing the crime has previous for exactly the same thing!

Felix.

Then that is the responsibilty of CPS. The police must have investigated it, presented the evidence to CPS and it was them who decided to NFA it - not the police.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

I have been a bit harsh, but I am not an 'idiot' just trying to wind people up. It is easy to dismiss me as that though. What I am is angry and disappointed.

I know the police, as in the people doing their jobs, are trying their best. Just from my own experiences the priorities could do with some fairly major adjustment. I don't blame the actual officers themselves. I can understand your swamped and tied up with procedures.

I've heard from too many people who have been in situations like the girl describes. I just think it’s a shame that things are the way they are and I see this kind of intimidation and lack of respect all the time. I hope that the police find a way to tackle this kind of serious 'anti-social' behaviour or whatever it’s referred to. I am by no means alone in my thinking and I believe the 'criminals' know themselves that the police are too busy to deal with them effectively, and that gives them the confidence they seem to have.

Good luck doing your jobs, although I fear that the major shift in attitude towards the police that I describe will become increasingly apparent without some marked changes.

mart360

Chris, thats your job, and that we dont dispute..

what pi**es most people off is the fact that resource is thrown into static policing ie speed cams, 3 units to pull non taxed motors as they drive past camera vans.

question.. with all the revenue gained from cams, why are they not more coppers on the beat??

i recieved my reply to the rta i was involved in today..

no further action against the other driver. bearing in mind i was the poor sod rammed up the **** and had the scooby stuffed.

what does due care and attention mean these days??



In the 5 years i have been in my new house how many coppers have come round on a beat so to speak??

1 not bad eh

my mum lives near the main police station... bottom of the road... how many coppers have walked past her house... in 12 years i cant count 1 on foot...

counless amounts that have come past at obscene speds with blues and twos going..


where has discretion and good old fashioned policing gone??
imagine if you had been traveling over the speed limit, and got pulled, what would your feelings be if

a) you got a bolloking and a ticket..?

b) a bolloking and sent on your way?

i imagine that a would have left you well pissed off and anti, should you then see that copper needing assistance, would you go to help??

b would have probably made you think.. and you may have offered assistance if needs be..

No one said it was an easy job, and i understand you have to be firm when needed, but if you alienate the people you work with, dont moan when they get anti.

if you want to make a difference, police, dont persecute

Mart

Felix.

Mart

I agree. I rarely stop people for speeding. I have never dished out an endorsable fixed ticket for 4 years. I tend to pull people commiting 'minor' traffic violations and talk to them. If they seem ok - i give advice and let them go. If they come back at me with attitude - they get a ticket. No one has given me any attitude in 4 years.

Cameras which have police cars attached (or near by) are not just for tax dodgers. The number plate is put through the inteligence system and will flag up if it has no insurance, is a community crime car, if its stolen, if its a drugs car, seen in suspicious circumstances somwhere, conected with a criminal, disqual driver etc etc. We have had loads of good arrests using this system.

If you want us on foot, great - but if an emergency call comes in across town, what do we do - run! Foot beats don't work these days as most criminals use a car. They also burgle via the back gardens and go garden-hopping. Cars that fly past your mums house with blues and twos are going to an emergency. What do you want us to do in such a case - drive slowly.

Again, cases that are NFA'd are taken by CPS. Police merely present the facts and evidence to them - its their decision weather to prosecute or not.

Luminous

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I like what Felix has just written. You do a hard job, and most of us really support you for doing that. At the end of the day I have a few issues with the police, but not the officers themselves. Most of it is down to paperwork and the CPS.

Too many people who are guilty get off with hardly any punishment. Normally those that are the real criminals know how to play the system. So often it is the "more innocent" people that get really done.

Jap2Scrap

I know what you're saying. Yes, ultimately the CPS decided not to prosecute but you have to understand how hard I was pushing to get someone out in the first place and how astonished I was that her 'alibi' was taken as gospel when I only had to ask once to find out it was anything but. By the way we're not talking about a slashed tyre or a window put-through. Every single panel on the car was destroyed and this wasn't a 'what goes around, comes around' crime either. I didn't know the girl then and I wouldn't know her now if she walked up to me. This was a motiveless act of vandalism by someone who has appeared in court before for exactly the same crime.

The only copper who came out of it with my respect was the poor sod who had to tell me it was being dropped. He was understanding and compassionate without being patronising in any way. The copper on duty the night I reported it looked at me as if I was reporting someone for stealing my lunch money.

There might be good reasons for it but to be honest I felt humiliated and embarrassed.

Lum

The thing that really got me annoyed with the police was a few years ago when my car was stolen.

Ok, admittedly not much they can do about it, even after my mate spotted my car and gave the police the new registration number.

No, it was after the car was dumped. It was in good condition other than the locks and petrol cap (my mate reported that it was being driven hard and at illegal speeds but by someone who knew what they were doing)

I get a phone call from the police which I paraphrase "It's at <location half an hour away from me> and is fine apart from the locks and stuff and we're going to go away now. BTW there's a bunch of scally kids about to break in and play with it but we dont care" (yes they did actually inform me of the kids) then they just left it, knowing that a crime was about to be comitted. (they were kind enough to inform me that I'd need a screwdriver to get the car started though)

By the time I got there the car had been driven through a hedge and a fence, the radio had been nicked and so had my amps, speakers, little disc thing with 20 CDs in (2 of which were originals ) any anything else that was removable.

Why couldn't they just sit there for a bit until I could retreive my car rather than put lives at risks by knowingly allowing scally kids to take the car for a drive, or at least sit there with a camera and gather evidence and get the little gits prosecuted.

dexter

Mate, for everyone like yourself, that would come straight out to their car when found abandoned, there are proabably five more that say they will, and then just don`t bother, until it`s convenient for them.

As a Police Officer, you see this all the time, and become accustomed to it. Maybe if you are doing nothing else at the time,and have a few minutes to wait, you would hang around for a while, but, unfortunately, time is what most beat-bobbies do not have, and again, you can blame this on the extensive list/reasons that Felix has already given.

Lum

I can't beleive that someone would just leave the car sat there after being told it's in decent condition but at risk, I even asked for and got the time off while the copper was still on the phone and then informed them that I was leaving now.

Even if I wasn't going to collect the car, they had perfect bait to witness and catch some criminal activity and they knew it, even admitted this to me on the phone, yet they still buggered off, that is pure laziness and/or negligence. Hell, they could have filled in some paperwork while keeping half an eye one it.

Whether it's down to the individual or the system is irrelevent when I state this incident as the cause of me losing respect for the police. I refer to the organisation as a whole. It must suck to be stuck on the front line and unable to do anything about the steaming mess of the system behind you, but that is also true of call centre employees.

dexter

Lum, I accept what you`re saying, and it does sound like you may have had a raw deal, but.......surely you are also generalising about the Police in saying that they have lost your respect ?

I know that it probably irritates even more-so than normal when it appears that the Police are not doing their job, because they are funded, effectively, out of public money, so people feel entitled to receive good service, but why is it so often the Police that are maligned ?

I don`t see many posts on here, or other forums about the length of time it takes to get seen when you attend a hospital casualty department (for instance), or many complaints if your dustbin doesn`t get emptied on time etc.

We, as Police Officers get annoyed because we get more than our fair-share of criticism (awe, what a shame, I`ll say it before someone else does), when we are out there, trying our boll*cks off to do the best job we can, when, most of the time, the things we do get maligned for are usually beyond our control, and actually down to the suits in charge (The Government).

Anyway, rant over, I`ll pick my teddy up now.

Mungo

Exactly the same thing happened to me - police located my stolen car dumped, but just left it there (unlocked of course) for more ******* to ransack and damage it until I was able to retrieve it. Shame it wasn't dangerously parked and then it might at least have been towed to a secure compound.
And they seemed to consider that the crime was solved. Not that anyone was ever caught, let alone convicted for the theft.