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Having just brought a S2000 here are my thoughts:

Handling feels very planted around dry twists.

Seating position is lovely.

Interior is lovely (nicer than my scoob)

Gearbox is spot on (nicer than my scoob)

It feels every bit like a sports car. Love the revvy engine.

Looks lovely in black with red leather and front/rear spoiler, meshed front and '04 updates (std look nice too).

You can drive along the m/way at the legal limit (plus 30mph ) with the roof down and its fine (even for a long drive)

The roof is the quickest I have seen.

Not as quick as a std Classic let alone a P1 IMO. Feels different driving a n/a car as there is no turbo hit and I would guess the torque curve would be far shorter in comparison.

Overall a lovely sports car and the best for the money. There is no contest which car gets selected when the sun is shining

Very happy with it.


Bob

LG John

Bob an S2000 should pull on a standard classic in anything other than a traffic light GP. Same weight, more power, less frontal area, less tranny losses and the figures back it up. When mines runs well (rare it seems) its defo quicker than my scooby was when standard

Agree on your other points However, I read that they bump a little on the suspension when close to the limit and it really is both true and very odd. Detracts form the experience a little and prevents you IMHO from pushing close to the edge in case she just bumps herself off the road

foz01

Nope afraid not!

No free bhp on the S2000 am afraid.

And an S2000 is quicker than a classic without a doubt, just the turbo torque giving you that impression!

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Not sure what figure you are going by, but....

Autocar: S2000 -v-UK Turbo
30-70mph 5.2secs - 5.2secs
50-70mph 8.9secs - 8.5secs

I think that headline 'peak figures (bhp/torque)' may be real indicative between the two cars as I'm fairly sure the torque and bhp curves would be higher on a uk turbo. My experience of both these cars certainly reflects this.

Bob

Stiver3

Hi, i was on that cruise, have to say your S2000 was a lovely bit of kit!,alot better looking than the boxters and Z3's imo

twas a bit cold for the roof down though! lol

LG John

Both 14.5s from 0-100mph with a 5.3s 0-60 from the classic and a 6.2 0-60 from the s2000. On that basis I'll let you figure out what an S2000 do to a classic from 60-100. Note I said an s2000, not my s2000

andytypeR

Cheers fella
You didnt own the 22B that was up my **** most of the way did you?
You gotta have the hood down, as long as you have the heater on you dont really feel the cold
were you anywhere near the front of the line ?

Stiver3

Nope mate, i was in the white STi at the front!, u were a few cars back when we lined up outside tesco's, that 22B was fantastic though, cant blame you for having the roof down, so many people i see in these S2's, 911's with the hood up in good weather

Dark Blue Mark

Enough with the figures! - its all speculative bull ****!

Real road stuff people (which you have done Kenny to be fair)

I've had many a tussle with different stuff in the short 2 months ive had my S.

1) It sticks to the back of a standard MY99 UK turbo from rolling - but struggled to get past.

2) Had an R33 Skyline try and catch me from 70 to 130 leptons and he couldnt. I initially thought it was a GTR, but turns out it was a GTS RWD Turbo.

3) Battle with an EVO7 the other night off a roundabout, accelarating from 20 / 30 - the EVO was all over my *** and would probably have taken me on the roundabout if it werent for traffic. Once in a straight line he tucked in behind me and made a move at about 60. Got past me at about 90 and was about 4-5 car lengths by the time I backed off. The S corners better than my UK turbo IMO, so a testament to the EVO's grip!

4) When I had a 270 BHP UK Turbo, I only just crawled past one from 30 - and that was at about 90 leptons.

Conclusion - you need a shed load more power to really beat people - as ive said many a time... really beating people in my book isnt a few car lenghts Plus there's little fun in straight line stuff. I beat the Skyline taking it on the inside of a roundabout at speed (all clean fun) and that was infinately more exciting - he loved it too, and I was buzzing for quite a while!

MB

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Well its not done by subtracting 60mph time from 0-100mph time.

30-70mph and 50-70mph are ample to show acceleration from rolling.

Having owned both cars my conclusion is that the 0-100mph time for the S2000 is a little optimistic to achieve and the 0-100mph for the Scoob is far easier to achieve and far better times have been achieved by other mags. I think the main factor is 'peak figures', which in the real world dont necessarily matter. I would be interested to see bhp & torque graphs of the two plotted against one another.

IMO the UK Turbo is a quicker car....

...but having said that its not all about quickness.

Bob

andytypeR

Who was slowing the A127 down to 40mph . I was driving next to two lovely ladies in a clio who were very upset at the speed we were going at, untill we got to the Rayley underpass and everyone was doing over a Ton in about 3 secs strangely they were no longer anywhere to be seen

Stiver3

Yeh, i saw them, quite alot of people gave us strange looks, kind of odd, 300Hp imprezas doing 40mph!, did love the underpast bit, suddenly the 22B and the spec went for it, tried chasing but......

Dark Blue Mark

Bob - the only thing about peak figures is the S2000 produces its 240 ish bhp at peak 9000 rpm - but its only 140 at 6000 rpm - which is the top of the useful end of a scoob's powerband. On paper things don't compute to how you think it would on the road

Torque is very flat, and peak is 140 lbs ft at 7000 rpm. Again, it looks like sod all but if you drop a gear or 2 and get it in the VTEC it really does pull...

MB

Dark Blue Mark

Just to add that the PAW might be more relevant as we're comparing RWD with 4WD.

MB

Brun

Top for a good read

Dark Blue Mark

PS - the addition of a CAI might not give you 6-8 peak bhp, might fatten it out lower donw though. Foz - do you have any before and after graphs for your car?

MB

Derek M

Saxo Boy have you had any encounters with a CTR in your S2000?
If so what was the outcome. I was on track with one a while ago and the S2K could stick to me in the corners but couldnt get past on the straights. It was my first track day and I was still learning that style of driving he seemed pretty experienced track driver.

Dark Blue Mark

You have 20% less power, more weight and lacking in street cred

MB

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Thats all well and good...but IMO the UK Turbo is still quicker....and the figures back this up (not bhp/tonne).

There's no contest when the sun is out though

Dark Blue Mark

Ive battled with a few in the S, as said, and also against an S in my old modded UK spec and I dont think a standard UK scoob is any quicker except off the line.

When you say the figures back it up, thats what I meant by my earlier post, the S doesn't look as though it should be quick - but it is.

MB

Derek M

A UK Turbo Scoob or WRX in Std spec will not be quicker than a S2K in the dry! A properly driven S2K will be quicker no question! A CTR will pull on a Std UK Scoob in the dry so an S2K certainly will !

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When I was looking for a Scooby I couldn't help popping into my local Honda dealership and having a test drive of an S2000 (no mean feat- salesmen can be notoriously reluctantat to let you have a demo in this car for some reason)

Really like the S2000: lovely looking thing. The car has a real sense of purpose and everything seems cohesive about its design, right down to the weighting of the controls -which is just about perfect. You can really sense the integrity of the engineering in this car. Contrary to some journalists views, its a very nice car to pootle around in. The relative ack of torque in this kind of driving really doesn't matter much,the point is it's flexible enough not to be an issue. The problem for me came when I put my foot down. I know it's an amazing engine from a technical standpoint, I know it'll be utterly reliablle and I'll admit it was very smooth and the transition to the Vtec zone at about 6k was hard to comprehend. I felt guilty taking it to the redline and keeping my foot to the floor when most other engines would have been begging for mercy, yet it kept delivering! Sounded nice too!

BUT it just didn't feel that dramatic. I've no doubt that it is a fast car, but coming from a MY99 it didn't feel anyhere near as dramatic! My backside was telling me that a UK turbo would eat it alive, but the speedo was telling me that the Scooby would probably win up to about 60-70 then the Honda would start edging in front. I have to doubt that it could live with a P1 at any speed really. The P1 would certainly feel a lot quicker.

My brain told me that the S2000 would not be a satisfying performance car to live with everyday as you really don't get the chance to drive in the manner required to extract the performance from it. A Scooby comes alive earlier and the performance can be enjoyed in little squirts without getting into licence loosing territory.

I suspect the Honda will be a blast on a track though! I Hate to admit it, but I liked going topless too!! Not sure the salesman appreciated it, though! :-)

NS04

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You're not making that distinction between a UK turbo and a new age wrx again. A MY99/00 will get to sixty in the mid fives without a problem a feat which it will repeat in the 30-70 increment. You won't do that in a CTR and it would be harder to acheive in a S2000. To some extent there is a law of diminshing returns in performance between the CTR and S2000. Remember the episode of 5th gear where the CTR beat the S2000 around the track?

NS04

Derek M

Scoobs will only do those mid 5sec times to 60 with a 5000rpm clutch dump. Once rolling its a different matter cause the Scoob has no traction advantage!

Dark Blue Mark

NS04 - good assesment of the car there. I came from an STi5 with a lot of power and the S no way is as fast, nor feels as fast in terms of pull - but as you say, when you look at the speedo it is shifting.

I also went from an STi4 to an ITR and I really struggled with it. It was nippy but it was so hard driving it fast. I dont find this in the S at all and I think the 6 speed has a lot to do with it. Completely agree when you say you couldnt drive in the manner intended - which is very true of the ITR but very much the opposite in the S. I find I can drive it hard quite a lot of the time.

Im not easily pleased with a car at all, particulary when it comes to speed but I have to say ive really taken to the car.

Just a pic to remind people





MB

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A UK classic is considerably quicker than a CTR. A bug-eye WRX is another matter though and the CTR should be well matched if not a bit quicker. As I said before, dont confuse the 2. You may have had the better of a bugeye but you any classic would truely embarrass you.

And as for 5k launches...thats the way to do it and theres nothing wrong with that.

Bob

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Guess what car gets driven today

Dark Blue Mark

Bob, there's no way there would be any embarassing - trust me. It would be very close and on the move it would be nothing.

I cant point out enough how MUCH MORE power you need to embarrass something else. Im not a fan of the CTR but id give it some respect.

MB

Dark Blue Mark

PS - I had trouble shaking off a mate in my STi4 and he was in the CTR. I couldnt believe the pace of it. I took him out on some back roads after - very twisty - with air and he was utterly astounded Driver skill comes into the equation, and grip.

Same story - straight line stuff is the most boring thing ever and not worth arguing over sometimes...

MB

Derek M

Exactly!!!
I used to own a MY99 UK Turbo Scooby and there is No Way it would embarrase a CTR. And on the move there would be nothing in it. The CTR has the slight edge though as speed increases and round a track in the dry!!!