dump valves - ill probably get slaughtered for asking this!!
11 February 2005, 11:48 AM
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one thing no-one is mentioning is how they affect lag on gear changes.
David
PS I have a forge re-circ Ive modified which may get tested.
David
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PS I have a forge re-circ Ive modified which may get tested.
David
11 February 2005, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Dark Blue Mark
LOL Ali 
Yes, if it blocked up the cat, built up some fuel in there that auto ignited on the turbo and shot it into bits, firing blades through the bulk head, though the driver - you could in theory.... die by VTA!
Would make a great Darwin award
MB
Yes, if it blocked up the cat, built up some fuel in there that auto ignited on the turbo and shot it into bits, firing blades through the bulk head, though the driver - you could in theory.... die by VTA!
Would make a great Darwin award
MB
It's possible....Live on the edge...fit a VTA
11 February 2005, 01:19 PM
#125
Originally Posted by Olly Powers
I appreciate why people have them and why they don't.
But why do people who don't have them insist upon forcing their way of thinking on others?
If its really a done issue, how come only one tuner won't sell you one?
Why are all the rest still selling them?
If having a VTA makes me a Chav, I ain't going to lose any sleep over it.
I'd be far more worried about turning into one of you "pipe and slippers purists"
Must get boring, don't do anything to your car, and try to bully others into sharing your opinion. I'm sure someone will explain what the big draw is?
p.s My wife drives a Nova, and if you think that makes her a chav, your no further up the evolutionary ladder than the burrberry wearers you poke so much fun at.
Cheers,
Olly
But why do people who don't have them insist upon forcing their way of thinking on others?
If its really a done issue, how come only one tuner won't sell you one?
Why are all the rest still selling them?
If having a VTA makes me a Chav, I ain't going to lose any sleep over it.
I'd be far more worried about turning into one of you "pipe and slippers purists"
Must get boring, don't do anything to your car, and try to bully others into sharing your opinion. I'm sure someone will explain what the big draw is?
p.s My wife drives a Nova, and if you think that makes her a chav, your no further up the evolutionary ladder than the burrberry wearers you poke so much fun at.
Cheers,
Olly
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11 February 2005, 01:33 PM
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Although...is it worth pointing out to unknowledgable owners of the problmes they cause? Many newbies don't know and need to be informed - as many lax power mags have made vta's fashionable and insist on blurting incorrect information about increasing power/reduce lag etc.
Or shall we lay back just shut up and wait for a future thread asking why their car backfires and won't pass the MOT as the cats are now dead?
Or shall we lay back just shut up and wait for a future thread asking why their car backfires and won't pass the MOT as the cats are now dead?
11 February 2005, 01:37 PM
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I have a HKS SSQV on my car (5 Type R ltd) - purely because I like the sound. I appreciate it gives me no performance increases, but as I said I like the sound. I am getting the car remapped by Bob in April, who advised me to fit a recirculating valce, I said I didn't want to as I like the sound - I appreciate the fact that they can in fact make the engine run "worse" (overfuelling, Bore wash etc).
I also have a Nur Spec R on my car, and E/L manifolds. Again, it doesn't bother me if with that set-up I make 10bhp more or less than an equivalent car with different exhaust mods - I like the sound (which is why I chose the specific exhaust/headers).
Am I a Chav? Well, being as the car has (this year) done about 10 miles (to scooby meets etc), never done a lap of any town, I do not own any track suits or white trainers. I am married top a solicitor, have a dog, and own my own house (OK pay a mortgage), all by the age of 24 - I would hope not - Although if by adding the bits to my car I am inherently a Chav, then so be it!
Don't most tuners sell induction kits (even HKS and Blitz ones which have proved problematic due to oil contamination of the MAF), when these seem frowned upon by most? FYI, I have a Power Engineering kit on my car - in case that makes a difference to my inherent "Chavness".
I am not intending a dig at anyone, or saying anyone is "Wrong" or "Right", just trying to say that I have put what I wanted on my car - knowing the risks taken by doing so, I am happy with my car - I couldn't give a **** what the next person does to their scoob - if they "Chav" it up or not - I havent't got to drive or look at it everyday, so it really is no skin off my nose!
Arguments seem all to common on this forum now, when it started it was excellent, everybody helping everybody out, now it seems like people just want to argue and make faceless threats - I seem to remember a threat of "ripping someones lips off" - GROW UP FFS - its ***** like you that turn this forum to the **** its fast becoming!
I also have a Nur Spec R on my car, and E/L manifolds. Again, it doesn't bother me if with that set-up I make 10bhp more or less than an equivalent car with different exhaust mods - I like the sound (which is why I chose the specific exhaust/headers).
Am I a Chav? Well, being as the car has (this year) done about 10 miles (to scooby meets etc), never done a lap of any town, I do not own any track suits or white trainers. I am married top a solicitor, have a dog, and own my own house (OK pay a mortgage), all by the age of 24 - I would hope not - Although if by adding the bits to my car I am inherently a Chav, then so be it!
Don't most tuners sell induction kits (even HKS and Blitz ones which have proved problematic due to oil contamination of the MAF), when these seem frowned upon by most? FYI, I have a Power Engineering kit on my car - in case that makes a difference to my inherent "Chavness".
I am not intending a dig at anyone, or saying anyone is "Wrong" or "Right", just trying to say that I have put what I wanted on my car - knowing the risks taken by doing so, I am happy with my car - I couldn't give a **** what the next person does to their scoob - if they "Chav" it up or not - I havent't got to drive or look at it everyday, so it really is no skin off my nose!
Arguments seem all to common on this forum now, when it started it was excellent, everybody helping everybody out, now it seems like people just want to argue and make faceless threats - I seem to remember a threat of "ripping someones lips off" - GROW UP FFS - its ***** like you that turn this forum to the **** its fast becoming!
11 February 2005, 01:40 PM
#128
I've gone from OE to HKS SSQV and am currently back to the OE one (not out of choice). In my opinion I find the HKS a better drive (noise aside). I find the OE d/v sloppy on gearchanges.
Obviously their are differences in d/v (cheaper ones being single valve and the HKS being dual stage pull type vales) so I cannot comment on others as I have not tried them.
But as for people commenting that the noise is 'chav'....all I can say is mine doesnt make noise when I'm driving locally (no need to drive on boost)...maybe some
people on here drive in more of a 'chav' manner than me and are therefore found the vta too loud around town etc.
Bob
Obviously their are differences in d/v (cheaper ones being single valve and the HKS being dual stage pull type vales) so I cannot comment on others as I have not tried them.
But as for people commenting that the noise is 'chav'....all I can say is mine doesnt make noise when I'm driving locally (no need to drive on boost)...maybe some
people on here drive in more of a 'chav' manner than me and are therefore found the vta too loud around town etc. Bob
11 February 2005, 01:44 PM
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no wonder the SN dont like vta's....
http://www.freefoto.com/preview.jsp?...Flock+of+Sheep
....or is it a protest?
dont like vta's....http://www.freefoto.com/preview.jsp?...Flock+of+Sheep
....or is it a protest?
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11 February 2005, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Fit a re-circ and an MAF friendly induction kit then...it more or less makes the same noise 
Oh, and I did have it fitted with the std recirc d/v, and it REALLY does not make the same noise - but thanks for assuming.
Like I said, I couldn't give a **** what your car is running - as long as you are happy with it - so please, try not to give a **** what mine is running - I am happy with it, and that really is all that matters!
11 February 2005, 02:24 PM
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I often wonder if the rate of blow ups on shonky old WRXs run by clueless chavs with VTAs is related to carbon build up causing foci for detonation and pre-ignition, as well as premature oil dilution with fuel. Mark's point, "you can actually hold the throttle and hear it permenantly [sic you chav 
] leaking boost" is the scenario where the really bad overfuelling occurs, and can happen on cruise. I wonder how many VTA wielding chavs know one end of a vacuum pump from another or how to setup their VTA? Most tune for the biggest flames/pops/bangs/whoosh, and these setups are just those that will overfuel the worst on continuous part throttle.
This is no insult to some excellent old WRXs that are superbly well setup, but hear a Scooby burble (usually very loud) and a VTA whoosh and you just know 90% of the time it will be a hatted twit in a shonky, slammed, tinted, over-wheeled WRX. They are the new XR3iturbonutter*******s
] leaking boost" is the scenario where the really bad overfuelling occurs, and can happen on cruise. I wonder how many VTA wielding chavs know one end of a vacuum pump from another or how to setup their VTA? Most tune for the biggest flames/pops/bangs/whoosh, and these setups are just those that will overfuel the worst on continuous part throttle.This is no insult to some excellent old WRXs that are superbly well setup, but hear a Scooby burble (usually very loud) and a VTA whoosh and you just know 90% of the time it will be a hatted twit in a shonky, slammed, tinted, over-wheeled WRX. They are the new XR3iturbonutter*******s
11 February 2005, 02:55 PM
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LOL at John - sounds like your describing me (except the shonky, slammed, tinted, over-wheeled bit - well unless the standard tints are included).
I have a some knowledge of what goes on in the "business end" of a modern engine (albeit nowhere near as much as a LOT of you guys) - and appreciate that the BOV I am using may cause prublems with the running of my engine - but I do like the sound - in fact, I am sure that the fact my car is running a different ECU map than standard could mean that long-term reliabilty is lost?
Anyways we all know that LOUD=FAST . Look at toop fuel cars and jets - They are LOUD - and clearly fast (although we could all 'ave 'em in the twisties)
I have a some knowledge of what goes on in the "business end" of a modern engine (albeit nowhere near as much as a LOT of you guys) - and appreciate that the BOV I am using may cause prublems with the running of my engine - but I do like the sound - in fact, I am sure that the fact my car is running a different ECU map than standard could mean that long-term reliabilty is lost?
Anyways we all know that LOUD=FAST
. Look at toop fuel cars and jets - They are LOUD - and clearly fast (although we could all 'ave 'em in the twisties)
11 February 2005, 03:16 PM
#140
Originally Posted by john banks
I think I must be a latent chav as I do like the sound of the HKS super sequential wotsit
Can't believe I just admitted that
Can't believe I just admitted that
JB is wannbe chav
JB is wannbe chav
JB is wannbe chav
JB is wannbe chav
11 February 2005, 03:31 PM
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Being a Dr, could you not prescribe yourself something before it gets too late, and there is no turning back (like me)!
The "super whatsit" is the danglies - you know you want one - it will give you more horsepower than a superfangly mahoosive turbo!
The "super whatsit" is the danglies - you know you want one - it will give you more horsepower than a superfangly mahoosive turbo!
11 February 2005, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
and I'll quote you on it before you get to edit it
JB is wannbe chav
JB is wannbe chav
JB is wannbe chav
JB is wannbe chav
JB is wannbe chav
JB is wannbe chav
JB is wannbe chav
JB is wannbe chav
Whats a "wannbe"?
11 February 2005, 03:38 PM
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what about the basic laws of physics?
there is a finite amount of energy available, energy is expended in various ways, not limited to, but including motion and noise.
by wasting energy on noise, you are detracting from the potential to shift the car forward a little bit quicker
there is a finite amount of energy available, energy is expended in various ways, not limited to, but including motion and noise.
by wasting energy on noise, you are detracting from the potential to shift the car forward a little bit quicker
11 February 2005, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Peanuts
what about the basic laws of physics?
there is a finite amount of energy available, energy is expended in various ways, not limited to, but including motion and noise.
by wasting energy on noise, you are detracting from the potential to shift the car forward a little bit quicker
there is a finite amount of energy available, energy is expended in various ways, not limited to, but including motion and noise.
by wasting energy on noise, you are detracting from the potential to shift the car forward a little bit quicker
11 February 2005, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Peanuts
what about the basic laws of physics?
there is a finite amount of energy available, energy is expended in various ways, not limited to, but including motion and noise.
by wasting energy on noise, you are detracting from the potential to shift the car forward a little bit quicker
there is a finite amount of energy available, energy is expended in various ways, not limited to, but including motion and noise.
by wasting energy on noise, you are detracting from the potential to shift the car forward a little bit quicker
Are you saying that the smell of a floating cheese biscuit spreads quicker if it leaves the rectum silently? If it does, I still find big ol' raspers more satisfying! - Thats not saying that VTA BOV's sound like flatulance either!
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