Alas

Sorry your logic is out. If the speedo has the max allowed error of 10% at 77mph it will be showing 70mph. If he is then going 5mph over the limit his speedo will be showing 75mph. Well within the 10% allowed(so he thinks)
Sorry for being pedantic but in one of these moods
Alas

pslewis

EH??? I work 1 mile from home .... so, quite what the hell are you going on about??

Pete

darts_aint_sport

Move or change job. Easy.

CTR

I think we should get rid of speed limits, and let everyone drive as fast as they want. No need for a detector or a solicitor either that way.

Tiggs

daft comment......the 10% doesnt allow you to drive at 25mph and think "im within the 10%" unless you assume your speedo to be right in the first place.

if his speedo shows 70mph and he stays there he is fine...because he must assume it could be 10% out.

T

Alas

Recognise one of these
Alas

Bubba po

I hear what you are saying about speed limits being a limit, not a target, Pete. That view holds quite well for a private individual with no particular place to go and all day to get there. For most commercial travellers, though, the limit is precisely that, because expectations and demands are placed upon service engineers (for example) to supply a fast and efficient service to businesses whose productivity depends upon having things w**king. These people have every right to expect to be home for their tea, or not to have to get up for w**k half an hour before they go to bed. What I'm saying is, most people whose job it is to get from A to B, perform a service, then get from B to A again, will drive at the maximum that the law allows, because their employers and their employer's customers expect it of them.

Lum

Neither of those things are easy and I have no intention of moving until I can afford to buy my own house, and jobs are a rarity in my industry.

Besides, I live 10 minutes drive from the office, though as Bubba Po seems to have figured out, I'm an on-site service engineer, and if I get a job in somewhere like Glasgow then I have an 8 hour drive home if I stick to the speed limit (and that means lots of dangerous driving on the A701 if you try to be utterly pedantic about the limit) I think that is more dangerous than speeding on the motorway as tiredness becomes an issue. I cannot afford to stay in a hotel that I wont be able to claim back and why should I spend two nights away from my family for a call that can easilly be done with only one night's overnight stay?

The anti-speed brigade are quick to bring out "think of the children" but no-one ever thinks of my (hypothetical) children waiting at the door asking when is daddy coming home as their bedtime rapidly approaches and I'm crawling through an empty set of motorway roadwords, the workers long packed up and gone home, only PC Gatso left to watch over the site and make sure no-one nicks the JCB.

Leslie

PSL,

Didn't you get caught for speeding earlier this century?

Les

darts_aint_sport

lol that made me laugh!

Bubba po

Purely coincidence, mate... it's what my brother does. And I laughed, as well.

TaviaRS

Seeing as it's pedants' hour: the only criteria is for the speedo to be up to 10% out at 70 mph and it is not allowed to under-read.

HTH

Bubba po

Tavia... you have your apostrophe in the correct place.

Tiggs

"The anti-speed brigade are quick to bring out "think of the children" but no-one ever thinks of my (hypothetical) children waiting at the door asking when is daddy coming home"

thats because its assumed the reference is to smashing the brains of one set of children all over your FMIC......the other set of children spend 10 secs wondering where dad is before getting back on the xbox.

darts_aint_sport

I think you meant incorrect.

dpb

poshibly not............

Bubba po

When the word is a plural ending in 's', then the apostrophe goes after the 's'.

e.g. pedants'

When the word ends in 's' but is not a plural, then the form is s's

e.g. Leeds's.

HTH.

Lum

I am sure if Charles Darwin were around today he would have something to say about children playing on the M6 or <insert NSL A-road>, and it wouldn't be lower speed limits or cameras.

If I ever do have children, they're not getting a bloody XBox, they can have a PC and will have to make it work themselves before they can run games on it, but this is a discussion for a totally different thread.

And as the son of a service engineer, I can assure you that it is not nice waiting at grandma's every day after school (with no XBox) in an estate miles away from any other kids (but very close to the motorway, which I never played on once) until dad finally gets home.

pslewis

But I thought he was driving FASTER than the law allowed?? Thats why he has been fined?

There is NO defence saying I had no time, so had to speed!

Pete

pslewis

Stop it, Stop it, I'm crying now!!

Have you ever thought that he didn't come and see you because he realised that you would turn into an embarrasment??

Pete

Sprint Chief

So let me get this straight - if I do 70 mph on the M3 on my way home from work, I'm completely safe, if I do 75 mph on the M3 on my way home from work, loads of kids will jump out in front of my car.

Hmmm, doesn't sound particularly plausible to me.

And perhaps it is thinking like this that is why the downward trend in RTA fatalities that has been present for the last 30 years came to an abrupt end in the last few years where we have seen a small increase in the numbers dying, in spite of ever improving car safety standards.

So the government policy in recent years has bucked the trend by increasing the numbers who never get home

pslewis

Thats because these pr1cks are looking at their speed detectors

The Chav caps get in the way too don't they? Chavvy Chief?

Pete

Sprint Chief

We can test this hypothesis of yours after they get banned, can't we I predict this will achieve the same level of scientific acclaim as your belief that the time taken for the flash to reach the speeding vehicle may contribute to Mr Edgar's timing error
Well since I have recently moved to the home town of Mr. Thomas Burberry Esq, supplier to Royalty, I felt I had to mix in with the crowd

Jerome

With any luck, people like yourself and Brunstrom will get their way and a zero tolerance on speeding will be nationwide.

We can then look forward to everyone doing 5mph less than the speed limit (those that still have their licences, anway). We can then further look forward to accidents going up in 30 limits because people are spending more time than they need to looking at their speedo (not everyone is a brilliant driver who knows exactly how fast they are going BTW) or because people are concentrating less because they must be safe doing 25mph (and therefore don't need to think about their driving). Obviously there will be some extra road rage from frustrated drivers as well.

But, it will all be worth it, because almost no-one will be speeding. Hurrah!

Isn't modern Britain great? In fact, it's so great, I may just stay in Canada forever.

Bubba po

Pete, you've completely avoided the point of my post I can only imagine deliberately. I was pointing out that often the posted limit is a target, for the reasons stated. the fact that my brother sped isn't at issue.

pslewis

No I didn't Bubba po - what you were saying was that they are under time pressures to get the job done.

Thats probably true ..... but, its no excuse to speed.

And you said, "most people whose job it is to get from A to B, perform a service, then get from B to A again, will drive at the maximum that the law allows ........ " Thats fine and legal, the problems occur if they travel OVER the speed limit.

Tell me if I have misunderstood again, as I have read and re-read it and it still comes out the same.

Pete

Bubba po

I was refuting your statement that the posted limit was not a target, when it often is... It's yourself that is getting hung up on relating it to the earlier part of the thread!

If we must do that, then I suppose my point would be that it's all too easy when you drive as close to the posted limit as possible, to creep over unknowingly for a short time. And if that hasn't happened to you then I'll show my ****! Lord knows, experience shows us that life is rarely black and white. It doesn't help any discussion, either, to squat like an imp behind the protection of what may well be an unjust law poking your tongue out and going "Well he did it, though, didn't he?"

pslewis

I see, well the speed limit is NOT a target (whatever you say!) - its only a target if the driver makes it so ..... and if his job makes him make it a target then he's in the wrong job!

If you knew how massive I was you would see the stupidity of calling me an IMP!

And I will take whatever stance on a law that I wish, ok with you? thanks

Pete

Puff The Magic Wagon!

iTrader: (2)

Depends if it was 5mph in a 20 or 5mph in a 50, big difference to being 25% over the speed limit than 10% over the speed limit...

StickyMicky

i was doing 25 in a 20 last monday (from memory) and watched the police bloke in a car with what looked like a camcorder watching me?

i was travelling towards him so i got a decent look

as i got near he put his "instrument" down and just looked at me?
so i drove past lol, never came after me or anything if i bagged another 3 points then tough titty for me

play by the rules and nobody gets hurt