AndyAmb

Mark,

I have both Scooby (STi PPP) and a Porky (GT3 Mk2) in the garage (and have driven almost all recent scoobs and the 997S). There's no comparison BUY THE PORSCHE. With these levels of performance, it's not just about numbers - the whole feel of the Porsche makes it special every time you go for a drive. I guarantee you'll not regret this choice (but you may well with the Scooby).

Andy

PS 997 S's motor is MUCH better than stnd. 996's and feels better than a 996 Turbo's (feel, not power). Great car for £65k

XRS

Surely that's the point though, the Porker is £65k and the T25 £35k. How can you compare?
A better comparison might be between the Boxster S and the T25 for around the same money.

Gastro

Ditto

This post should be posted on the 1st of April

Gastro

Hammoc

I'm a Scooby owner BUT get a 997...............just look at that ****

whiper

Buy a mark 1 or 2 GT3,for £60-70K you could get a nearly new one with the warranty remaining. The scooby is a superb car - but the porker would always win for being more special and a better drivers car.

Go ahead, you'll regret it if you dont. I traded from an evo 7 to 993 turbo - never looked back and depreciation is virtually non existent. Paid £45K for mine nearly 2 years ago - still worth around £40K - now thats good in my book!

Andy Tang

iTrader: (3)

No question, the Porsche would be the car for me, over an Impreza!

And you'll suffer less depreciation!

backdoors

go for the jap crap........not

john banks

Could modify your existing STi to a virtually lagless, smooth and reliable 400 BHP/400 lbft? Remap, fuel pump/reg, turbo, 2.5 block, induction, headers, suspension. c.5K should do it as most of the bits on your existing car are good. I think it would hold its head up against most Porsches for A-B performance, especially on a wet, muddy, bumpy, unpredictable road. If smooth road handling and finesse floats your boat more the Subaru is a bit crude perhaps.

Money in the bank, mortgage paid off, no worries, no debts and a fast car, or finance and a fast car with class, I'd take (and did) the former. When the interest rates go up and everyone is selling their financed Porkers cheap is when I would buy one

mattsan

997

Deep Singh

Thank god endless idiots did'nt come on here saying to buy the T25. It may get good reviews by one magazine ie Autocar( that seem to have a little thing with Litchie!) but no one has owned one for 2 or3 years to see how it pans out.Reliabilty etc etc.
I would save for a little longer until you can afford a 996 Turbo cash and spend a few quid on remap and exhaust. You'll then have a 450BHP+ 4WD Porsche that looks phat and will always have a great resale value. imho

ARRON BIRD

Yeah I wish my drive looked like that too
Nice to have mates with money tho gives me a chance to ragg their cars

jmk

Buy the T25 and get your order in for the new Boxster Coupe. Same budget as the 997 and you'll have loads more fun.

Gastro

Now that is a suggestion worthy of serious consideration.....

Gastro

scoobynutta555

Still have to suggest the 993 turbo

I have never driven a 996 turbo, but I'm told that the 993 is the one to go for. The depreciation on the 996's have been frightening. I looked at 993 turbos 3 years ago, and they were about £45,000 then, the same as they are now near enough. In that time a 996 has lost that amount in depreciation.

Adam M

that would mean that a 996 and 993 are now the same price :confised: I don't think so.

993 has offset floor hinged pedals and is air cooled.

996 interior has moved the game along a long way. For me there is no comparison.

Apparently in a straight line the 993 is actually faster but has more in the way of lag.

I still say invest until you can afford a 997 without finance. It is never worth getting yourself into debt over a car, especially as depreciation on a car is such that you are guaranteed to be in negative equity on the loan should things go **** up, unlike on a house where it takes a fcuked economy for you to get into negative equity.

Old_Fart

I haven't driven either, but for driving thrills the modern 911's don't leave the Impreza's *that* far behind...
Saying that test driving a 911 doesn't really tell you that much about them IMHO. It took 3 or 4 thousand miles before I really started to appreciate my porker...the month after I bought it I very nearly sold it back to the dealer such was my dissapointment at the time.
Rgds
Cman

john banks

Can't agree more Adam. I hear the vast majority of posh motors are bought on finance. Is that because the owner has better use for the money elsewhere, or rather they don't have the money and that they wouldn't be seen dead in a car of the value they could buy for cash because it doesn't suit their consumer credit lifestyle? Personal decision I suppose, but if you've had any hardship in life you tend to want to achieve financial security rather than risk it. The amount of debt people are carrying based on their houses is plain scary. Living below your means may be boring, which is why a lot don't do it? Or maybe you are all loaded and buy posh motors for cash. I dream about these cars as much as anyone, but until I had the cash for one and no debts I couldn't do it. I've probably said too much...

Adam M

I think I must be old before my time. I have never really had financial hardship. Have been lucky all my life and probably spoiled by my parents.

At 27 years old I have my own home with a decent amount of equity in it. But much as I would want it, I probably have too much experience of getting what I want and knowing that dreaming about something for a long time is often better than having it, especially when you are taking a risk buying it.

Deep Singh

Adam/John Banks, bloody hell, Christmas has turned your heads into jelly! We want to talk about exotic cars not your bloody life stories,personal aspirations etc LOL at you both!
On a serious note though,the 993 maybe great for depreciation but paying £40k+ for a close to 10 year old car is not clever in my book. The 993 tt was only made from 95 to 98, good 95/96 car £45k. That is now 9 years old.Things are bound to be going wrong,just wear and tear etc. 2000/2001 996 tt £58k at Porsche dealer with one yera s warranty. Its a no brainer.

GTTurbo

996 Turbo without a doubt - so many reasons to go for this model.

Just think how many, "normal" 996 porsches there are around - they are upmarket BMW's in many areas now. The same will be true of a standard 997 given a few years, quantity will make the residules slide. Then again I guess it depends on how long you will be keeping it as to whether the above bothers you.

Do the sensible thing and get a 996 turbo, it really is an everyday car with super performance - your granny could drive it is so easy, makes a subaru seam like hard work!

I happen to know of a particularly nice example that is about a year and a half old, just had a £3k new clutch fitted, silver with full GT2 aero kit from factory - now this is a car that stands out. Owner wants to go itallian early next year.

john banks

Deep, please excuse my ascetic simpering

What sort of finance rate will a Porsche dealer give on a 997 S anyway?

scoobynutta555

Ok closer to 30k rather than 45k if you get no extras on an RRP £90,360 car. still a heck of a whack for a car to take in a few years. If warranty was an issue Id go along with the 996 from a porsche dealers mentioned above. Also theres a few left hookers around for £48k+. But one years warranty is not much if you intend to keep the car. But Id imagine there are 993s with proper warranties out there as well if finance was to be avoided.

I think the 996s are cheaper to service etc than the 993s.

KaraK

do the only sensible thing - go out and drive both and see which you prefer. More expensive isnt always better so see what you like and go for it.

Hope you enjoy

Deep Singh

[QUOTE=KaraK]do the only sensible thing - go out and drive both and see which you prefer.
C'ant we just pontificate over it on the computer instead. Stuck at work on Xmas eve, I need something to take my mind off it!

GCollier

Although personally I would not go into debt for a depreciating asset like a car (I'm probably more risk-averse than most), if you've done your sums and can comfortably afford it I'd go with the 997. Although I've never driven a T25 I've owned and driven a number of Subaru's and Evo's, and would be amazed if the porsche is not the more complete and deeply fulfilling car to own and drive (it will take more than a 30 minute test drive to get under your skin though, as was alluded to above).

996TT vs 997 - I'd go the more modern car if the car will be predominantly used on the road in this country, unless the extra kudos of owning a turbocharged 911 is important to you. Even a normally aspirated 911 will get you to license losing speeds in no time (0-100mph in 10-11 seconds), and even then will hardly be getting into its stride. I find nowadays that scarce few opportunities exist for a 320bhp car to make use of its potential on the roads, but hey maybe I'm just getting old.

In terms of finance on porsches, I was chatting to my dealer sometime ago on how people paid for them. Apparently it is rare for someone to go in and pay cash - about 90% of people take out some form of finance. The reason given was that "buyers of these types of car have better ways of making their money work for them than having it tied up in a car". This might be true for a minority of people with "unusual" taxation arrangements or people who are able to invest in some of the better performing hedge funds. But for most people I think it's BS and simply a cover for buying something on HP that they otherwise could not afford.

Gary.

chris's scooby

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

whiper

Just to set a few things straight.


993 turbo has virtually no lag- hard to tell its turbo charged in fact - has 400ft of torque- pulls in every gear from very low down.

Porsche warranties are only 2 years, so a 4 year old 996tt or a 10 year old 993tt will cost just as much to repair if anything goes wrong. The 993 is superbly built - better than the 996 - the engine in a 993 is designed to last 250K - very little goes wrong although if it does it will be expensive.

Servicing on a 993 is more expensive than on a 996.

Insurance on a 993tt is surprisingly good - half what I was paying on evo 7.