Cocker

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For nearly 300hp you'll def need a supercharger. i think there around £3500 all in

Ritzctr

I have a CTR at the mo and a standard CTR and WRX not alot in it. Scooby get away to about 30 quicker but then on CTR will gain on WRX, but any scooby with slight mod would be different story.

S/C for CTR are about £3500 that will give you about 260 bhp couple of guys with S/C CTR manage about 12.5 1/4 mile times

Dark Blue Mark

Yawn...

This thread pops up every other week.

The summary is that no, its not as quick, but a damn good car and you have to wear a baseball hat to drive one... Similar to a scoob in that respect then

MB

jasonius

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PMSL

That would be srappydoo then!

jasonius

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It never ceases to amaze me how different people get different results and hence opinions on car a v's car b!


In my experience ( and let's cut the excuses about other guy really trying etc..) the civic is a bit overated! Don't get me wrong it's a great car, but there a a lot of other great cars out there these days!

I've had the better of serveral CTR's (I mean I opened up a slight gap) twice in my previous 172 from the off to 100mph then they closed passing around 120. Recently 70mph up in my new wrx- side by side, me behind i closed slowly. This happend on several blasts.

In all occasions I know for a fact they were persistantly going for it!

PS I can't help being drawn into these debates! Someone please help me!!!
JAson

C

Rotflmfao.

I think you need to go back to school & study physics again

For starters BHP is a product & calculated from torque measured.

Using an F1 car as a comparison is rediculous!

ocean

You need to go back to school to study spelling again - RIDICULOUS.

prelude

For starters BHP is a product & calculated from torque measured.

Using an F1 car as a comparison is rediculous!

Thanks for that c .

Cosworth427

There is no question, HORSEPOWER wins races. Gearing exploits horsepower, not torque.

Vegescoob

Somebody who understands. All those people at Ilmor, Cosworth, HRC etc can happily carry on their search for more revs and thus more power.

Carl2

12.5s on 260bhp ( I can't believe that) or do they have more power than that?
I had one of the new shape ones chasing me a couple of months back, he wasn't that much slower than me and onlly went past (like an **** into on coming traffic on a bend) as I was cruising the last 150yds for my turn off.

cheddar bob

very clever

bet you were really suprised your modded 4WD MY98 UK Turbo a FWD CTR from a standstill at the lights and in the wet! Jesus...

Guess that's what a Evo FQ-300/320/340/400 owner would be saying if he came across you at the lights then

J4CKO

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You gotta love the CTR, the owners are always up for a bit of fun, almost without exception, I 'smoked' one with my Fiat Coupe (Literally, it was burning oil), similar to about 60/70 and then it started going backwards. One had a go against my Rover BRM the other day (usual bolt ons,161 bhp) and there wasnt as much in it as I though, it was quicker but not much and cornering wise I was all over it, it was definitely quicker than a Cooper S the day before as that couldnt get away, at all, prob too busy messing with his Ipod, phone or GHD hair tongues.

Civic Type R

Evening all,

The CTR will get beasted of the lights - end of.
However, once you're rolling there ain't too much in it

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A couple of videos of CTR versus Scoobs @ Knockhill. First one is of me against a 260bhp classic

http://type-r-scotland.com/files/cal_scooby.wmv (only 10 meg)

This ones of me against ( I presume) a standard Classic.........

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/thedougster/Cal.wmv ( only 7 meg)

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I know I always post these clips but some Scooby owners aren't always fully "clue'd up" and require mild education. Yeah, the Scoob drivers in the clip were'nt exactly the Stig but neither am I ! The guy in the 1st clip ( whom I know) was extremely impressed with how the CTR kept up

Seems the majority of folk in here have intelligent & interesting comments unlike another recent thread.......

Cheers
Cal

Civic Type R

C

200bhp & 200lb/ft Vs 200bhp & 140lb/ft

What wins? (assuming all other factors are equal)

Veracocha

All other factors can't be equal with such varying figures because you would have to be at different revs to get 200 bhp. Once the civic has reached it's 200bhp peak, it will be as fast as a 200bhp engine with more torque, because you dont generally have max bhp and torque at the same time. For example - say the impreza angine develops 200lb/ft at 3500rpm, how is that going to help when the engine is at 7000rpm to develop its 200bhp??

I appreciate the added flexibility factor, but in a ***** out race where both drivers are ready and the full rev range can be used, the performance of the civic engine will match the impreza engine.

alwong

I'll give credit to you. I've been to the CTR forum and you seem to try and give an honest optinion on both forums. You don't slate the scooby but you've had close encounters in your previous races with scoobies. This is an open discussion and fair play for your opinions.

I still prefer the scooby though!! IMO!

C

I agree with some of what you are saying...

But in an all out race, in the midrange the 200/200 will take chunks out of the 200/140 & in the higher rev range, the 200/200 should make comparable torque to the other example, thus holding it.

Straight line racing is different, add corners, gradients etc & the midrange torque will mean 'drivability' is a lot better & a lot easier to push harder.

I can't see how in any circumstances a 200/200 car would be slower than a 200/140 car, assuming all other factors are equal.

Im not being specific to any cars here, just the actual performance (although they are comparable obviously lol)

alwong

C you have to remember the CTR has a high rev vtec zone. Thats why you here CTR driver keeping a level pegging with standard turbo's once rolling.

Veracocha

Indeed, if you are going from a rolling start in the lower rev range the more torquey engine will win the day.

You may also find that there are circumstances where a 200/140 engine could beat a 200/200 engine. The 200/140 engine may produce its max of 200bhp over a wider range of revs - where as the higher torque engine may peak at 200bhp and tail off more quickly. This is only a hypothetical situation I am describing!

prelude

This has turned out to be an good discussion .

civic type r you seem to be a good driver as well

RB5#111

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Hi all,

I had a RB5 now i have a CTR so allow me to add my view.
The CTR is an awesome car and in the right hands can keep up with and even beat STANDARD uk turbos, bugeye and possibly blobeye wrx's in a straight line.
The scoob will kill the CTR in the start due to awd but in a rolling start say from 40-50mph it will be very close and i some cases the CTR will win.

I take my CTR down the 1/4 mile as well as trackdays:


This scoob i was against as you can see is modded and he wasted me in the 60ft but after that it was pretty even he was only pulling away from me very slightly after 330ft, i managed a 15.047@96mph run not bad being as my car was standard

The fastest CTR in the UK is one belonging to CPL Racing he has a Jackson Racing supercharger as well as a Hondata K-Pro ECU and the normal manifold and exhaust etc and a few other bits not sure what sorry.
His car is running around 320bhp and his best is a 12.92@116 (no traction control!) so no you can't do a 12.5 with 250bhp!!

RB5#111

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Hi Cal,

Still cracks me up when i see that LOL

Carl2

Hmmmmmm, OK another (extreme) example: a choice of F1 engine (800bhp/230lbft torque) or large diesel engine (230bhp/800lbft torque)? Assuming the vehicles with engines weigh the same which one will win?
I think the 800bhp will be long gone by the end of first gear.
Alternately, why don't people tune for torque if that's what wins races? You always see people tuning for more power rather than transplanting diesel engines in
Or even doing anything that moves the power band to the left ie makes more torque.

jonc

Unless of course you strip the car out of everything bar the drivers seat, steering wheel etc.

Carl2

It'd need to weigh around 800kg (is that possible?) and have perfect traction.
I recon my car will do a 12.9 on 246bhp next year after I shed another 50kg or so, but even I couldn't do 12.5s unless those extra 4bhp are special

03-CTR

not trying to start an arguement but gearing exploits torque and not power as gearing is used for torque multiplication.

Greeny01

Had a play with my mates CTR in my (standard at the time) my02 bugeye wrx.

From a rolling start I had him but once we went past 35 ish he slowly started to gain on me. From a standing start it was a similar story. He is a very good driver (i am not!!) A think a few choice mods exhaust, filter and a new age wrx would have a standard ctr no bother.

Great car but I would still stick with the scooby.

Iain

03-CTR

in reality the above is not a possible scenario as power is relative to revs and the magic number. the higher torque engine would therefore have to have a blower to develop 200lbs ft and hence all factors are not equal from the outset. honda also use higher gearing ratios which have a higher torque multiplication factor so that added to a lower mass (for the car) compared to most of the competition and you narrow the performance gap considerably.

although an old (top gear) group test the ctr outperformed both the audi s3 (225bhp/206lbs ft) and the cupra r (210bhp/199lbs ft) round the track (at anglesea) and also in 0-100mph tests. compared to the bug eyed wrx it matched its 0-100 time (17.8s) and was only 0.05 seconds slower round the track so didn't do badly considering the 18bhp/70lbs ft deficit.

i think a lot of the differences are down to driver ability and without making too many excuses for the ctr i believe that many owners (myself included) do not know how to drive the car properly to extract the best from it. given a capable driver the ctr is a serious car but in the wrong hands is nothing more than a warm hatch.