View Poll Results: Would you seek revenge (and carry it out) !!
I have kids of my own. and YES I would carry it out
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I have kids of my own and NO I wouldnt carry it out
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I dont have kids of my own and Yes I would carry it out
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I dont have kids of my own and No I wouldnt carry it out
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revenge would you??
30 November 2004, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
I think Tiggs you should perhaps ask the parents of children who have died due to someone elses actions how they feel.
you show me A SINGLE ONE that has revenged their childs death and i will happily discuss it with them.
30 November 2004, 03:55 PM
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pathetic, some of the posts above.
absolutely pathetic.
coming the moral high ground, blah, blah dont know this dont know that.
tripe, and badly dressed tripe at that.
why not, for once, take your head out your **** and answer a question., based on a gut reaction, cos that was what was asked for, dont tell me that you need to be in that exact same situation to be able to empathise.
muppet, and not in the sense of the hutch.
absolutely pathetic.
coming the moral high ground, blah, blah dont know this dont know that.
tripe, and badly dressed tripe at that.
why not, for once, take your head out your **** and answer a question., based on a gut reaction, cos that was what was asked for, dont tell me that you need to be in that exact same situation to be able to empathise.
muppet, and not in the sense of the hutch.
30 November 2004, 04:01 PM
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No, you don't need to be in the same situation to be able to empathise, but you *do* need to be in the same situation to *know* how you will react. Anything other than that is guessing.
I'll not believe a single one of you if you tell me you've never been in a situation where you behaved in a different way to how you thought you would, if you were ever in that position.
It's like being in a car crash. It's easy enough to say you'd react in such-and-such a way when the heat isn't on, but when the **** actually hits, that all goes right out of the window and you don't always react as you thought you would.
I'll not believe a single one of you if you tell me you've never been in a situation where you behaved in a different way to how you thought you would, if you were ever in that position.
It's like being in a car crash. It's easy enough to say you'd react in such-and-such a way when the heat isn't on, but when the **** actually hits, that all goes right out of the window and you don't always react as you thought you would.
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30 November 2004, 04:12 PM
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*whats* with *all* the *stupid* **'s?
lighten up and give a gut reaction, not a complete break down of why things arent as they seem and cant be done this or that way.
lighten up and give a gut reaction, not a complete break down of why things arent as they seem and cant be done this or that way.
30 November 2004, 04:22 PM
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Ok, this seems quite clear to me, but I obviously need to spell it out for you, Peanuts. I will not answer the question because I cannot answer the question without having been in the situation described. If you actually read the thread it doesn't ask how people think they would react, it asks how people would react. It's a stupid question and the results mean nothing because they're random guesses.
The very first post states that Jamie's mum didn't react in the way she thought she would, and if that's not clear enough for you, you're never going to get the point.
Everyone that has answered the question is stating how they hope they would react. From the figures, most would want revenge. I'd be willing to bet a significant sum of money that a very small number, if any, would do a anything about it.
There are a lot of very brave people here, when they're not actually in a bad situation and can respond to it from miles away, hiding behind a keyboard and monitor.
The very first post states that Jamie's mum didn't react in the way she thought she would, and if that's not clear enough for you, you're never going to get the point.
Everyone that has answered the question is stating how they hope they would react. From the figures, most would want revenge. I'd be willing to bet a significant sum of money that a very small number, if any, would do a anything about it.
There are a lot of very brave people here, when they're not actually in a bad situation and can respond to it from miles away, hiding behind a keyboard and monitor.
30 November 2004, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboKitty
Come on then Peanuts, enlighten us. How did you vote and what have you ever done that leads you to believe that's how you'd actually react?
30 November 2004, 04:55 PM
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I havent yet.
I dont have kids, Im not a vengeful person as such being honest.
I remember how I felt when my wife's Godmother's Husband died a few years ago, very painful.
I dont recall any members of my immediate family passing away during my lifetime so dont know the pain, however were I to act on instinct I would vote no kids, no action (which would appear pretty self righteous).
what this has done (well, before I started getting all silly, for which I apologise) has made me think about what I would do.
I think I would pray for my self control/reasoning and also for the soul of the other person.
again, that sounds self righteous, but with the circumstances being so extraordinary there cant be any reason not to turn to God.
Andy
I dont have kids, Im not a vengeful person as such being honest.
I remember how I felt when my wife's Godmother's Husband died a few years ago, very painful.
I dont recall any members of my immediate family passing away during my lifetime so dont know the pain, however were I to act on instinct I would vote no kids, no action (which would appear pretty self righteous).
what this has done (well, before I started getting all silly, for which I apologise) has made me think about what I would do.
I think I would pray for my self control/reasoning and also for the soul of the other person.
again, that sounds self righteous, but with the circumstances being so extraordinary there cant be any reason not to turn to God.
Andy
30 November 2004, 05:15 PM
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Peanuts, good response.
I can be a very vengeful person, but I can't always predict how I'll feel about things. I also don't have children, so I have no idea how it feels to be a parent. I'm fortunate that although close members of my family have died, none have done so in violent circumstances, so I don't know how it feels to lose someone that way.
In Jamie's mum's situation, I'd probably want revenge, but I think it's unlikely I'd do anything. However, I am a bit volatile at times, and I surprise myself with my own reactions sometimes, so I can't be sure. Additionally, I don't have faith to fall back on.
I like to think I wouldn't seek revenge in such a situation, but I don't always feel, or behave, in the way I'd like to be able to.
I can be a very vengeful person, but I can't always predict how I'll feel about things. I also don't have children, so I have no idea how it feels to be a parent. I'm fortunate that although close members of my family have died, none have done so in violent circumstances, so I don't know how it feels to lose someone that way.
In Jamie's mum's situation, I'd probably want revenge, but I think it's unlikely I'd do anything. However, I am a bit volatile at times, and I surprise myself with my own reactions sometimes, so I can't be sure. Additionally, I don't have faith to fall back on.
I like to think I wouldn't seek revenge in such a situation, but I don't always feel, or behave, in the way I'd like to be able to.
30 November 2004, 06:43 PM
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with the exception of a few Known posters!!!
it is a pretty mixed bag...
i have to be totally honest and disagree with the few who think that revenge is wrong, and it creates a cycle..
for those who know me i have two boys
one is twelve the other almost 2
I sat and cried buckets when i heard what had happened to James Bulger, again when the verdict was announced..
Again when dunblaine took place i cried buckets, i dont think you have to be a parent, but you can understand the feelings.
when Sarah Paine was killed Roy Whiting was due in court in Chichester,
I was ready to attend the hearing to show my feelings of contempt toward the bloke. As it was i was delayed abroad, and couldnt get back..
if someone harmed!! either of my boys i wouldnt stop...
why should they end a life and get away with it... it may be wrong and doesnt solve anything, but at least i would know that they wouldnt do it again. just becuse they wrecked somones family dosent give them immunity..
and a pat on the head.
it wastn the fact they killed james, they tortured him!! FFS
i was no saint as a ten year old, but the thought of doing that never crossed my mind..
the purpose of the post was to establish if you had been in a similar situation or were a friend or relative could you or would you seek revenge
Mart
it is a pretty mixed bag...
i have to be totally honest and disagree with the few who think that revenge is wrong, and it creates a cycle..
for those who know me i have two boys
one is twelve the other almost 2
I sat and cried buckets when i heard what had happened to James Bulger, again when the verdict was announced..
Again when dunblaine took place i cried buckets, i dont think you have to be a parent, but you can understand the feelings.
when Sarah Paine was killed Roy Whiting was due in court in Chichester,
I was ready to attend the hearing to show my feelings of contempt toward the bloke. As it was i was delayed abroad, and couldnt get back..
if someone harmed!! either of my boys i wouldnt stop...
why should they end a life and get away with it... it may be wrong and doesnt solve anything, but at least i would know that they wouldnt do it again. just becuse they wrecked somones family dosent give them immunity..
and a pat on the head.
it wastn the fact they killed james, they tortured him!! FFS
i was no saint as a ten year old, but the thought of doing that never crossed my mind..
the purpose of the post was to establish if you had been in a similar situation or were a friend or relative could you or would you seek revenge
Mart
01 December 2004, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
you show me A SINGLE ONE that has revenged their childs death and i will happily discuss it with them.
Don't know his name but it was in the National news.
Maybe you can look him up and tell him what an **** he was from all the tree-huggers at ScoobyNet and that he's set in motion a cycle of violence.
ps You can also tell him that the majority of SNetters *think* they'd do the same
pps You are right of course - nobody knows for sure how they would react - most people are just sheep - but there is the odd wolf out there !
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Its the stuff the two killers have done since killing Jamie Bulger that makes it worse too...they truely are inherently evil people and even in their new lifes, and while previously in care they have shown this many times. I really dont know how how they were released, they are still (well, one for sure) a danger to the public.
Yes, i do know more than most, and no i wont go into it any more or how i know this, but believe me they are still dangerous people. Whats worse, if one of them say for instance got done for rape, or murder again, his past and past identity/crimes would most likely not be known or found out.
Yes, i do know more than most, and no i wont go into it any more or how i know this, but believe me they are still dangerous people. Whats worse, if one of them say for instance got done for rape, or murder again, his past and past identity/crimes would most likely not be known or found out.
01 December 2004, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Nat21
Its the stuff the two killers have done since killing Jamie Bulger that makes it worse too...they truely are inherently evil people and even in their new lifes, and while previously in care they have shown this many times. I really dont know how how they were released, they are still (well, one for sure) a danger to the public.
Yes, i do know more than most, and no i wont go into it any more or how i know this, but believe me they are still dangerous people. Whats worse, if one of them say for instance got done for rape, or murder again, his past and past identity/crimes would most likely not be known or found out.
Yes, i do know more than most, and no i wont go into it any more or how i know this, but believe me they are still dangerous people. Whats worse, if one of them say for instance got done for rape, or murder again, his past and past identity/crimes would most likely not be known or found out.
Let's just hope none of us have to find out how they would react !
01 December 2004, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jasey
Hi Tiggs - Me again - The father of a child who was run down by a lorry driver walked up to him as he was leaving the court and shot him with a twelve bore. The guy had just got two years suspended (or something equally lenient) for driving carelessly and killing the five year old daughter. The driver had said something like "The kid shouldn't have been there" during the case and the **** had shown no remorse at all.
Don't know his name but it was in the National news.
Maybe you can look him up and tell him what an **** he was from all the tree-huggers at ScoobyNet and that he's set in motion a cycle of violence.
ps You can also tell him that the majority of SNetters *think* they'd do the same
pps You are right of course - nobody knows for sure how they would react - most people are just sheep - but there is the odd wolf out there !
Don't know his name but it was in the National news.
Maybe you can look him up and tell him what an **** he was from all the tree-huggers at ScoobyNet and that he's set in motion a cycle of violence.
ps You can also tell him that the majority of SNetters *think* they'd do the same
pps You are right of course - nobody knows for sure how they would react - most people are just sheep - but there is the odd wolf out there !
in fact, even the ppl that say they would seek revenge say stuff like "it may not help but.....blah, blah, blah". well becoming a killer is a pretty big step if it doesnt actually help anyway.
and the "sheep" wolf" stuff is crap because it implies a negative impression of those who wouldnt seek revenge. to do that from a perspective of someone who has never been there is rather unfair. Would you call Mrs Bulger a sheep?
01 December 2004, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
you show me A SINGLE ONE that has revenged their childs death and i will happily discuss it with them.
I've given you and example of someone that has avenged their child's death and you completly ignore it.
Let me know which posts you want me to read and which one you want me to ignore before we continue
01 December 2004, 09:50 AM
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ok, lets discuss it.
firstly the fact it makes "national news" as you state, seems to indicate its not common? there are plenty of deaths by dangerous driving but not many drivers getting murdered.
also, dangerous driving? a "crime" commited by many (inc people on here no doubt) which is why the courts are often seen to not act harshly- they punish the crime not the result of that crime. So he shot him because of his lack of remorse??? again, while i can see why.....i doubt it happens a lot.
and where is this bloke now? and who did he leave behind?
i stand by stance that many people (in that situation) want revenge, few take it and those that do would regret it.
T
firstly the fact it makes "national news" as you state, seems to indicate its not common? there are plenty of deaths by dangerous driving but not many drivers getting murdered.
also, dangerous driving? a "crime" commited by many (inc people on here no doubt) which is why the courts are often seen to not act harshly- they punish the crime not the result of that crime. So he shot him because of his lack of remorse??? again, while i can see why.....i doubt it happens a lot.
and where is this bloke now? and who did he leave behind?
i stand by stance that many people (in that situation) want revenge, few take it and those that do would regret it.
T
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
ok, lets discuss it.
firstly the fact it makes "national news" as you state, seems to indicate its not common? there are plenty of deaths by dangerous driving but not many drivers getting murdered.
also, dangerous driving? a "crime" commited by many (inc people on here no doubt) which is why the courts are often seen to not act harshly- they punish the crime not the result of that crime. So he shot him because of his lack of remorse??? again, while i can see why.....i doubt it happens a lot.
and where is this bloke now? and who did he leave behind?
i stand by stance that many people (in that situation) want revenge, few take it and those that do would regret it.
T
firstly the fact it makes "national news" as you state, seems to indicate its not common? there are plenty of deaths by dangerous driving but not many drivers getting murdered.
also, dangerous driving? a "crime" commited by many (inc people on here no doubt) which is why the courts are often seen to not act harshly- they punish the crime not the result of that crime. So he shot him because of his lack of remorse??? again, while i can see why.....i doubt it happens a lot.
and where is this bloke now? and who did he leave behind?
i stand by stance that many people (in that situation) want revenge, few take it and those that do would regret it.
T
You're not satisfied with stats and you're not satisfied with examples - I'm sure you wont be satisfied with anything I have to say
.I agree with you - If you'd read my posts - We all talk a good game - but some actually walk the talk too - the big problem with the UK is that not enough do !
01 December 2004, 10:09 AM
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"No Tiggs - You said you would discuss it with him - How should I know who he left behind or how he feels now.
You're not satisfied with stats and you're not satisfied with examples - I'm sure you wont be satisfied with anything I have to say ."
sorry to have caused you the trouble of finding someone on the assumption that i would have tea and cake with them. i made the comment to express my thought that it woud be rare to find such a person....and i was right.
the "stats" you sppoke about showed nothing. heres a stat, in my house i have pets...the pets in the "dogs and unicorns" catagory total 2.......how many unicorns do you think i have????
"We all talk a good game - but some actually walk the talk too - the big problem with the UK is that not enough do !"
again, the implication is that talk of revenge is the "good game" and not enough people go through with it. This is nonsense, modern law is founded on a basis of disregard for revenge.....if everyone saught revenge the place would be a mess.
you have kids? if one of them grows up, gets pissed on his 18th and kills someone will you stand aside for the father of that dead person to blow your kids face of with his 12 bore becomes he feels like playing the good game?
You're not satisfied with stats and you're not satisfied with examples - I'm sure you wont be satisfied with anything I have to say ."
sorry to have caused you the trouble of finding someone on the assumption that i would have tea and cake with them. i made the comment to express my thought that it woud be rare to find such a person....and i was right.
the "stats" you sppoke about showed nothing. heres a stat, in my house i have pets...the pets in the "dogs and unicorns" catagory total 2.......how many unicorns do you think i have????
"We all talk a good game - but some actually walk the talk too - the big problem with the UK is that not enough do !"
again, the implication is that talk of revenge is the "good game" and not enough people go through with it. This is nonsense, modern law is founded on a basis of disregard for revenge.....if everyone saught revenge the place would be a mess.
you have kids? if one of them grows up, gets pissed on his 18th and kills someone will you stand aside for the father of that dead person to blow your kids face of with his 12 bore becomes he feels like playing the good game?
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Oh - So I not only have to read your posts I have to mind read what you actually mean too - Sorry I Failed my ESP A Level - Couldn't see the questions coming !
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Oh - So I not only have to read your posts I have to mind read what you actually mean too - Sorry I Failed my ESP A Level - Couldn't see the questions coming !
did you also fail "Dont be a retard basic paper1" ?
if x,y,z happens i'll eat my hat....doesnt mean anyone is going to eat a hat.
and if you did think i was going to talk to this bloke then you didnt supply much info did you? in fact, theres no name....place...date ...anything. bearing in mind you thought i was going to meet him you werent very helpful?
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If anyone in my family was murdered then I personally wouldn't do anything about it, but I'd make sure someone did.
If I were in Mrs Bulger's position I'd prolly leak out the location of her little boys murderers.
If I were in Mrs Bulger's position I'd prolly leak out the location of her little boys murderers.
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
did you also fail "Dont be a retard basic paper1" ?
if x,y,z happens i'll eat my hat....doesnt mean anyone is going to eat a hat.
and if you did think i was going to talk to this bloke then you didnt supply much info did you? in fact, theres no name....place...date ...anything. bearing in mind you thought i was going to meet him you werent very helpful?
if x,y,z happens i'll eat my hat....doesnt mean anyone is going to eat a hat.
and if you did think i was going to talk to this bloke then you didnt supply much info did you? in fact, theres no name....place...date ...anything. bearing in mind you thought i was going to meet him you werent very helpful?
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I voted 'no I don't have kids and no I wouldn't do anything about it'.
My imediate reaction would be one of extreme anger, I've lost very close relatives (although not in those circumstances, obviously) and I know the pain that causes. However, if I had more than 10 seconds to think about the logical side of me would kick in - why ruin my life again?
Scum like that are just not worth it.
I know how I react in very stressful situations and it's always very logical so honestly I can say I'd want to give them a good beating (and probably would) but could never kill someone no matter how much I'd want to.
My imediate reaction would be one of extreme anger, I've lost very close relatives (although not in those circumstances, obviously) and I know the pain that causes. However, if I had more than 10 seconds to think about the logical side of me would kick in - why ruin my life again?
Scum like that are just not worth it.I know how I react in very stressful situations and it's always very logical so honestly I can say I'd want to give them a good beating (and probably would) but could never kill someone no matter how much I'd want to.
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i think the poll results speak for themselves.
nearly 3/4 of those voted would murder in revenge so either they are ......lying, not thinking about what they are saying or just VERY different to most other people...Bulger family included.
nearly 3/4 of those voted would murder in revenge so either they are ......lying, not thinking about what they are saying or just VERY different to most other people...Bulger family included.
