What is the quickest REAL WORLD A > B Car?
07 September 2004, 04:13 PM
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EVO did a real worl fastest A-B car at the beggining of the year... all the usual contenders and a tasty bit of Wales's finest twisty bits... they did it over a timed bit of road around about 1.5 miles long bumps twists and dips... the usueal also included a Mercialgo "you get the idea" Fazza FQ330 and caterham.
The result wet and dry... the 911 turbo was around 4 seconds infront of everything...! thats a full four seconds! they were amazed the difference too... all the drives daid it felt awsomely quick but 4 secons is an age...
Can't recall what month it was but you can get a back copy!
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The result wet and dry... the 911 turbo was around 4 seconds infront of everything...! thats a full four seconds! they were amazed the difference too... all the drives daid it felt awsomely quick but 4 secons is an age...
Can't recall what month it was but you can get a back copy!
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07 September 2004, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Edcase
Yes but would you want to use that 365 days of the year??
Not me.
Not me.
That wasnt in the original re-mit though ....... still one hell of a pointy powerful car. Only 280BHP but jeeeees do they go, stop and corner.
07 September 2004, 05:07 PM
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Sorry, I guess that's just how I interpreted the original post. Real world, day to day car (IE people have already ruled out TVRs etc cos you could only use them fully on the 3.5 days a year we get sunshine 
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I still wouldn't choose the RS anyway
)I still wouldn't choose the RS anyway
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WHO's real world are we talking here btw?
e.g. Mercialago is very real world for people with the money. For people on small wages a scoob is NOT a real world car as it's far too expensive to buy & run. Sounds like the 'less than £50k' put in deliberately to favour scoobs/evo's. The 'real world' requires economy, reasonable insurance, low running costs which scoobs don't qualify for.
e.g. Mercialago is very real world for people with the money. For people on small wages a scoob is NOT a real world car as it's far too expensive to buy & run. Sounds like the 'less than £50k' put in deliberately to favour scoobs/evo's. The 'real world' requires economy, reasonable insurance, low running costs which scoobs don't qualify for.
07 September 2004, 05:49 PM
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it must be a white transit van special edition e.g. copy of the Sun on the dash, last weeks Big Mac carton rolling from side to side and the driver must be drinking a cup of tea.
Fast as ****.
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07 September 2004, 06:17 PM
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Real life, day-in/day-out.
M5 - covers all the bases, easily fast enough, practical, won't shake your fillings out, costs less to run than a Scoob (assuming £25k 2nd hand M5, £25k new Scoob), looks fabulous, and has some real class to go with the speed.
M5 - covers all the bases, easily fast enough, practical, won't shake your fillings out, costs less to run than a Scoob (assuming £25k 2nd hand M5, £25k new Scoob), looks fabulous, and has some real class to go with the speed.
07 September 2004, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevetas
Arrrr, but what are they like in the wet, salty, leaf covered winter roads?
Must be quick all year round, without having to watch the weather channel before you come out! (that rules tvr's out)
Must be quick all year round, without having to watch the weather channel before you come out!
(that rules tvr's out)
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M5's have traction/stability control so still easy to drive fast.
Aha! I geddit. What we're looking for is a car for people who can't handle a decent splat of power going to the rear wheels. Put it this way, Joe Public isn't THAT interested in going fast a-b. Those that are interested in getting from a-b fast probably have a keener interest in cars and therefore should learn how to drive RWD properly (spend a few hundred on driving lessons, don palmer type things etc) thus opening the market of cars that they can choose. 
Basically, there are two questions being asked.
a) which is the fastest a-b car, gt3, caterfields etc.
b) which is the EASIEST to drive fast a-b car. scoobs, evos etc.
But its rwd - that ultimately compromises it for Joe Average
Basically, there are two questions being asked.
a) which is the fastest a-b car, gt3, caterfields etc.
b) which is the EASIEST to drive fast a-b car. scoobs, evos etc.
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07 September 2004, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by misty
Well at the risk of pi**ing on every ones barbie, As autocar said " the Evo V is the quickest car point to point across country bar none"
dave
dave
this one possibly?
Mitsubishi Evo 5 RS450
0-60 3.8
0-100 8.8
top speed 155mph (limited)
1255kg
450bhp @ 6500rpm
380lb ft @ 2800rpm
359bhp per tonne
'nuff said
07 September 2004, 08:04 PM
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What is the quickest car to drive on challenging public roads is certainly one of the most difficult problems in car-dom. Its one thing to design and drive a car for a set of specific racing tracks: that brief is brief, make the car as rigid as possible, use the stickest rubber, the strongest brakes, the best metals/carbon, the best aero tunnel etc. The main goal in designing a car for the track is obviously to attain the most possible speed into and through x corner that a driver can consistenly be able to handle (without killing themself) for X time in the seat (without wearing the driver out). In contrast the public road design brief- while it certainly does require many of the same requirments as racing, is quite a lot more subtle and difficult to determine and implement.
What is it that a driver wants, and does a driver really even know what they want? Even on the this web-site the wants of drivers are very different. I remember a few months ago some of us here got into a very similar topic, and one member wrote that he was in the buisness of fast road driving for some sort of security job where he had to be as fast and safe as he could for the safety of his passengers. This guy said he liked front and four wheel drive the best and also liked slight final understeer on the limit, which he felt helped him best control his car back into its lane in narrow roads and during some emergencies. Conversly Simon (our web and driving master) spoke more about slight oversteer with the ability to correct a slide better from this stance.
To my mind this question simply has not been put to any real test by anyone (maybe closest is the Evo boys who make a habit of really pushing lots of cars around wet Wales lanes)- that is several different handling (each the best of there type) cars put in convoy over challenging roads for several days, with the hope that the drivers would encounter real world obstacles (that don't kill them) that would truly test each cars abilities/capacity's. I'm sure that in such a test different obstacles (wet, greasy surfaces, narrow roads with no margin for error, blind dimishing curves, animals etc.) would bring about different needs from drivers. I'd say that a driver hustling a oversteering car (even Simon) at a relativly fast speed on a narrow Wales b-road would much prefer boring stability to any kind of oversteer if there are cars coming the other way or blind unknown curves ahead.
Although as I've just said I don't think anyone has put together any sort of through analysis of this, I do think I know the canidates for such a test...Note that I have put in some cars which are not production being I'm more interested in finding out what truly is possible at the limits of what we can do...
1.Lotus Elan (front-drive version) - developed by top Lotus drivers for this sort of brief.
2. Impreza P1- shod with smallish wheels (195's or 205's) and tyres to test John Felsteads findings that his Impreza sport with 195 tires is actually faster on challenging wet roads than the turbos.
3. Impreza type 25 fitted with Prodrive ATD (more stable and predictable and forgiving than Evo say most)
4. Audi UrQuattro dynalix modified - great mix of stabilty/agility. Evo boys once called it the most reassuring car in a group test with Impreza, Integrale, Skyline.
5. BMW X3 with bumped up hp- very very capable and also benifits from longer sight lines.
6. Porsche Cayanne Turbo - Note that Evo's Barker recently compared this to an Audi RS6 and left it through Wales corners proving that high ride height need not make a car slower on road.
7. Porsche 911 Turbo - very agile, great brakes, traction, however in this test the rear weight bias would be put to the test- in that yes we know that its traction control keeps its rear from sliding out, but to what extent would the electronic aids make the car very difficult to control in emergency situations and how much room is there on a public road to wait for the electronic aids to straighten the car? And also note that while indeed autocar and evo have praised this car as fastest point to point they also flatly claim that its no faster in corners but simply has much more hp and torque than anyone else.
8. Prodrive Impreza group N - Possibly the state of the art for a workable- somewhat livable road car. Note that Chris Harris from autocar recently compared a WRC spec Hyundai rally car with a 911 Turbo and even on gravel settings the Hyundai demolished it, maybe a group N car would do the same.
What is it that a driver wants, and does a driver really even know what they want? Even on the this web-site the wants of drivers are very different. I remember a few months ago some of us here got into a very similar topic, and one member wrote that he was in the buisness of fast road driving for some sort of security job where he had to be as fast and safe as he could for the safety of his passengers. This guy said he liked front and four wheel drive the best and also liked slight final understeer on the limit, which he felt helped him best control his car back into its lane in narrow roads and during some emergencies. Conversly Simon (our web and driving master) spoke more about slight oversteer with the ability to correct a slide better from this stance.
To my mind this question simply has not been put to any real test by anyone (maybe closest is the Evo boys who make a habit of really pushing lots of cars around wet Wales lanes)- that is several different handling (each the best of there type) cars put in convoy over challenging roads for several days, with the hope that the drivers would encounter real world obstacles (that don't kill them) that would truly test each cars abilities/capacity's. I'm sure that in such a test different obstacles (wet, greasy surfaces, narrow roads with no margin for error, blind dimishing curves, animals etc.) would bring about different needs from drivers. I'd say that a driver hustling a oversteering car (even Simon) at a relativly fast speed on a narrow Wales b-road would much prefer boring stability to any kind of oversteer if there are cars coming the other way or blind unknown curves ahead.
Although as I've just said I don't think anyone has put together any sort of through analysis of this, I do think I know the canidates for such a test...Note that I have put in some cars which are not production being I'm more interested in finding out what truly is possible at the limits of what we can do...
1.Lotus Elan (front-drive version) - developed by top Lotus drivers for this sort of brief.
2. Impreza P1- shod with smallish wheels (195's or 205's) and tyres to test John Felsteads findings that his Impreza sport with 195 tires is actually faster on challenging wet roads than the turbos.
3. Impreza type 25 fitted with Prodrive ATD (more stable and predictable and forgiving than Evo say most)
4. Audi UrQuattro dynalix modified - great mix of stabilty/agility. Evo boys once called it the most reassuring car in a group test with Impreza, Integrale, Skyline.
5. BMW X3 with bumped up hp- very very capable and also benifits from longer sight lines.
6. Porsche Cayanne Turbo - Note that Evo's Barker recently compared this to an Audi RS6 and left it through Wales corners proving that high ride height need not make a car slower on road.
7. Porsche 911 Turbo - very agile, great brakes, traction, however in this test the rear weight bias would be put to the test- in that yes we know that its traction control keeps its rear from sliding out, but to what extent would the electronic aids make the car very difficult to control in emergency situations and how much room is there on a public road to wait for the electronic aids to straighten the car? And also note that while indeed autocar and evo have praised this car as fastest point to point they also flatly claim that its no faster in corners but simply has much more hp and torque than anyone else.
8. Prodrive Impreza group N - Possibly the state of the art for a workable- somewhat livable road car. Note that Chris Harris from autocar recently compared a WRC spec Hyundai rally car with a 911 Turbo and even on gravel settings the Hyundai demolished it, maybe a group N car would do the same.
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Originally Posted by billythekid
i heard someone talking about the FQ400 the other day - not got a clue what it is but it sounds fast!
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Originally Posted by chunky_lad
Article on Evo FQ400 in this months Car magazine I think, looking to do a limited run of 100 starting in October this year, comparing against a Zonda they said it was quicker to 60 ( 3.6 secs ), can remember the 100 times and topped out at about 175mph....all for £45,000.
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Interesting thread. Seems that the final decision is based on what individuals term as "day to day".
I would choose the Evo/Scooby combo (delete as applicable). Seems to me that most of the cars mentioned would be entirely suitable to MOST situatuation.
But for ANY type of road surface, weather condition, situation, or time of day, a Scoob/Evo will ALWAYS be quick.
You would never choose a 993RS/Turbo/M5 to thread down a single track lane with grass growing up the middle. You would be quicker in a 106 Rallye, which in turn would be trounced anywhere else.
A Caterfield/Exige/Elise would be well on the pace most of the time. But would it still be on the pace on an icy, foggy December evening?
Integrale is a no for me: LHD useless for overtaking.
Cayenne? Don't be silly. My parents have a Cayenne "S" and a Berlingo Diesel van. I reckon I would be quicker in the Citroen in most situations, never mind anything else.
There are plenty more scenarios and other cars, but I cannot really think of a scenario that would slow an Evo/Scoob down. The proportions are handy. They are safe and tidy handlers that stop extremely well. They will always help you out in a tight spot, and they are generally comfortable and easy to use, meaning they are less wearing to drive. Which means you can drive them harder, for longer, all of the time.
I would choose the Evo/Scooby combo (delete as applicable). Seems to me that most of the cars mentioned would be entirely suitable to MOST situatuation.
But for ANY type of road surface, weather condition, situation, or time of day, a Scoob/Evo will ALWAYS be quick.
You would never choose a 993RS/Turbo/M5 to thread down a single track lane with grass growing up the middle. You would be quicker in a 106 Rallye, which in turn would be trounced anywhere else.
A Caterfield/Exige/Elise would be well on the pace most of the time. But would it still be on the pace on an icy, foggy December evening?
Integrale is a no for me: LHD useless for overtaking.
Cayenne? Don't be silly. My parents have a Cayenne "S" and a Berlingo Diesel van. I reckon I would be quicker in the Citroen in most situations, never mind anything else.
There are plenty more scenarios and other cars, but I cannot really think of a scenario that would slow an Evo/Scoob down. The proportions are handy. They are safe and tidy handlers that stop extremely well. They will always help you out in a tight spot, and they are generally comfortable and easy to use, meaning they are less wearing to drive. Which means you can drive them harder, for longer, all of the time.
07 September 2004, 09:35 PM
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Westfield megabusa's are often factory build, they're quick as buggary, download the mpeg from www.drivefast.org mucho fast...Leaving porkers for dust perfect marriage of east and english
mucho fast...Leaving porkers for dust perfect marriage of east and english
07 September 2004, 10:56 PM
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MR400....this months car mag reckon its the fastest A2B car you can buy,certainly made a Zonda look normal,anycar that can do that has to be something special!,so buy a MR340 spend a lot less than the difference between the MR400 and the MR340(£12000),mod it to 400hp and there we go,no warrenty though!!,im seriously thinking of putting my name down for one of these,although the UK version is going to be a MR450 with a 3yr/36000 mile warrenty,if the car in the mag has figures of....
0-60...3.6
0-100..just over 9...
Top speed in excess of 175mph...
whats the MR450 going to do!
0-60...3.6
0-100..just over 9...
Top speed in excess of 175mph...
whats the MR450 going to do!
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08 September 2004, 12:16 AM
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3. Impreza type 25 fitted with Prodrive ATD (more stable and predictable and forgiving than Evo say most)
Is the Type25 fitted with Prodrive bits ? Does ProDrive know ?
Is the Type25 fitted with Prodrive bits ? Does ProDrive know ?
08 September 2004, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nellie
if the car in the mag has figures of....
0-60...3.6
0-100..just over 9...
Top speed in excess of 175mph...
whats the MR450 going to do!
0-60...3.6
0-100..just over 9...
Top speed in excess of 175mph...
whats the MR450 going to do!
Back on topic...
I'd bring the budget down to below 10k and go for an Integrale. Who gives a stuff about LHD. We're talking tight twisties, so I'm assuming you wouldn't be able to pass anything you came across anyway!
08 September 2004, 03:22 AM
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Hey so where is our web-master Simon and John Felstead in this conversation? What are a few professional drivers views on this? BTW Didn't mean to offend anyone who already has contributed to this tread by saying no pros, but I don't think anyone with a full time job as a pro driver has spoken up yet?
09 September 2004, 03:52 AM
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Nevetas: Sorry no one could really anwser your post with any sort of experiential reality. Unfortunately other than test drivers at manufacturers and car mag jouros, who are also very good drivers- the choosen few who could actually get the cars back to back in a well-thought out test on challenging roads, there is no one else who can answer your question. The only shot would be a really experienced private punter with enough money to purchase all the cars and then pay more to put a test together; about as likely as george doubya learning how to form coherent sentences. Maybe if I make some good money one day, I'll sponcer such a thing, justg don't hold your breath. Sorry, JL
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Coving what Jeremy said, I got involved with a converstation with someone (rather wealthy) who had owned most cars including Stupidly fast and modified Porshes, Skylines, Evos, Cossies, even group B cars etc (with proof) and he said that car that most impressed him was INTEGRALE, and he had a genuine 400bhp Mit Evo6 at the time. Saying the grale could cover ground quicker than most, and pound for pound its the best car, and they hold their value too if you get the Evo versions.
09 September 2004, 01:22 PM
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Is a Type 25 a 'real world car'. Its been modified to a great extent. Not really a real world car to get serviced,repaired etc. Also unknown reliablity,how many sold how many probs etc
My own tuppence, if £25k to spend then a lightly modded Evo if £50k stretch to £60k and get a 996 TT. Looks great,400 bhp standard, service in any town,rock solid resale( You c'ant get a decent 993 tt MY96ish for less than 45K
My own tuppence, if £25k to spend then a lightly modded Evo if £50k stretch to £60k and get a 996 TT. Looks great,400 bhp standard, service in any town,rock solid resale( You c'ant get a decent 993 tt MY96ish for less than 45K
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Originally Posted by jl4069
What is the quickest car to drive on challenging public roads is certainly one of the most difficult problems in car-dom. Its one thing to design and drive a car for a set of specific racing tracks: that brief is brief, make the car as rigid as possible, use the stickest rubber, the strongest brakes, the best metals/carbon, the best aero tunnel etc. The main goal in designing a car for the track is obviously to attain the most possible speed into and through x corner that a driver can consistenly be able to handle (without killing themself) for X time in the seat (without wearing the driver out). In contrast the public road design brief- while it certainly does require many of the same requirments as racing, is quite a lot more subtle and difficult to determine and implement.
What is it that a driver wants, and does a driver really even know what they want? Even on the this web-site the wants of drivers are very different. I remember a few months ago some of us here got into a very similar topic, and one member wrote that he was in the buisness of fast road driving for some sort of security job where he had to be as fast and safe as he could for the safety of his passengers. This guy said he liked front and four wheel drive the best and also liked slight final understeer on the limit, which he felt helped him best control his car back into its lane in narrow roads and during some emergencies. Conversly Simon (our web and driving master) spoke more about slight oversteer with the ability to correct a slide better from this stance.
To my mind this question simply has not been put to any real test by anyone (maybe closest is the Evo boys who make a habit of really pushing lots of cars around wet Wales lanes)- that is several different handling (each the best of there type) cars put in convoy over challenging roads for several days, with the hope that the drivers would encounter real world obstacles (that don't kill them) that would truly test each cars abilities/capacity's. I'm sure that in such a test different obstacles (wet, greasy surfaces, narrow roads with no margin for error, blind dimishing curves, animals etc.) would bring about different needs from drivers. I'd say that a driver hustling a oversteering car (even Simon) at a relativly fast speed on a narrow Wales b-road would much prefer boring stability to any kind of oversteer if there are cars coming the other way or blind unknown curves ahead.
Although as I've just said I don't think anyone has put together any sort of through analysis of this, I do think I know the canidates for such a test...Note that I have put in some cars which are not production being I'm more interested in finding out what truly is possible at the limits of what we can do...
1.Lotus Elan (front-drive version) - developed by top Lotus drivers for this sort of brief.
2. Impreza P1- shod with smallish wheels (195's or 205's) and tyres to test John Felsteads findings that his Impreza sport with 195 tires is actually faster on challenging wet roads than the turbos.
3. Impreza type 25 fitted with Prodrive ATD (more stable and predictable and forgiving than Evo say most)
4. Audi UrQuattro dynalix modified - great mix of stabilty/agility. Evo boys once called it the most reassuring car in a group test with Impreza, Integrale, Skyline.
5. BMW X3 with bumped up hp- very very capable and also benifits from longer sight lines.
6. Porsche Cayanne Turbo - Note that Evo's Barker recently compared this to an Audi RS6 and left it through Wales corners proving that high ride height need not make a car slower on road.
7. Porsche 911 Turbo - very agile, great brakes, traction, however in this test the rear weight bias would be put to the test- in that yes we know that its traction control keeps its rear from sliding out, but to what extent would the electronic aids make the car very difficult to control in emergency situations and how much room is there on a public road to wait for the electronic aids to straighten the car? And also note that while indeed autocar and evo have praised this car as fastest point to point they also flatly claim that its no faster in corners but simply has much more hp and torque than anyone else.
8. Prodrive Impreza group N - Possibly the state of the art for a workable- somewhat livable road car. Note that Chris Harris from autocar recently compared a WRC spec Hyundai rally car with a 911 Turbo and even on gravel settings the Hyundai demolished it, maybe a group N car would do the same.
What is it that a driver wants, and does a driver really even know what they want? Even on the this web-site the wants of drivers are very different. I remember a few months ago some of us here got into a very similar topic, and one member wrote that he was in the buisness of fast road driving for some sort of security job where he had to be as fast and safe as he could for the safety of his passengers. This guy said he liked front and four wheel drive the best and also liked slight final understeer on the limit, which he felt helped him best control his car back into its lane in narrow roads and during some emergencies. Conversly Simon (our web and driving master) spoke more about slight oversteer with the ability to correct a slide better from this stance.
To my mind this question simply has not been put to any real test by anyone (maybe closest is the Evo boys who make a habit of really pushing lots of cars around wet Wales lanes)- that is several different handling (each the best of there type) cars put in convoy over challenging roads for several days, with the hope that the drivers would encounter real world obstacles (that don't kill them) that would truly test each cars abilities/capacity's. I'm sure that in such a test different obstacles (wet, greasy surfaces, narrow roads with no margin for error, blind dimishing curves, animals etc.) would bring about different needs from drivers. I'd say that a driver hustling a oversteering car (even Simon) at a relativly fast speed on a narrow Wales b-road would much prefer boring stability to any kind of oversteer if there are cars coming the other way or blind unknown curves ahead.
Although as I've just said I don't think anyone has put together any sort of through analysis of this, I do think I know the canidates for such a test...Note that I have put in some cars which are not production being I'm more interested in finding out what truly is possible at the limits of what we can do...
1.Lotus Elan (front-drive version) - developed by top Lotus drivers for this sort of brief.
2. Impreza P1- shod with smallish wheels (195's or 205's) and tyres to test John Felsteads findings that his Impreza sport with 195 tires is actually faster on challenging wet roads than the turbos.
3. Impreza type 25 fitted with Prodrive ATD (more stable and predictable and forgiving than Evo say most)
4. Audi UrQuattro dynalix modified - great mix of stabilty/agility. Evo boys once called it the most reassuring car in a group test with Impreza, Integrale, Skyline.
5. BMW X3 with bumped up hp- very very capable and also benifits from longer sight lines.
6. Porsche Cayanne Turbo - Note that Evo's Barker recently compared this to an Audi RS6 and left it through Wales corners proving that high ride height need not make a car slower on road.
7. Porsche 911 Turbo - very agile, great brakes, traction, however in this test the rear weight bias would be put to the test- in that yes we know that its traction control keeps its rear from sliding out, but to what extent would the electronic aids make the car very difficult to control in emergency situations and how much room is there on a public road to wait for the electronic aids to straighten the car? And also note that while indeed autocar and evo have praised this car as fastest point to point they also flatly claim that its no faster in corners but simply has much more hp and torque than anyone else.
8. Prodrive Impreza group N - Possibly the state of the art for a workable- somewhat livable road car. Note that Chris Harris from autocar recently compared a WRC spec Hyundai rally car with a 911 Turbo and even on gravel settings the Hyundai demolished it, maybe a group N car would do the same.
YOUR NOT GREASEMONKEY ARE YOU
09 September 2004, 08:15 PM
#59
What about these?
Mitsi Evo 6 RS Sprint
Ariel Atom2
Lotus 340R
Caterham RST V8
or this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=2489249634
Mitsi Evo 6 RS Sprint
Ariel Atom2
Lotus 340R
Caterham RST V8
or this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=2489249634
Last edited by jonc; 09 September 2004 at 08:28 PM.
10 September 2004, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by the chosen one
i would agree but what evo?
this one possibly?
Mitsubishi Evo 5 RS450
0-60 3.8
0-100 8.8
top speed 155mph (limited)
1255kg
450bhp @ 6500rpm
380lb ft @ 2800rpm
359bhp per tonne
'nuff said
this one possibly?
Mitsubishi Evo 5 RS450
0-60 3.8
0-100 8.8
top speed 155mph (limited)
1255kg
450bhp @ 6500rpm
380lb ft @ 2800rpm
359bhp per tonne
'nuff said