Earthing kit group buy
10 September 2004, 10:41 AM
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As I did the posting so late in the day, I think some where collected while the processing was happening and the rest were probably left till yesterday to be picked up. I will run the tracking numbers through the royal mail website again and let you know where things are at...
10 September 2004, 11:04 AM
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Hi Nex
I just sent you a PM but not sure if you got it as i think your mailbox is full - any chance you could send me ( or host ) the pics from the instructions as im not 100% sure of some of the locations to use.. My email is rwilson@hp.com
ta very much
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I just sent you a PM but not sure if you got it as i think your mailbox is full - any chance you could send me ( or host ) the pics from the instructions as im not 100% sure of some of the locations to use.. My email is rwilson@hp.com
ta very much
Richard
10 September 2004, 11:16 AM
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10 September 2004, 11:17 AM
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Unfortunatly, all the other photos are on the computer at work, and I am not in till Monday morning now.
Which points are you struggling with and I will try to describe them a little better...
Which points are you struggling with and I will try to describe them a little better...
12 September 2004, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Markyboy uk
Still not here. 
We are awaiting confirmation of delivery. Your item with reference DT646285464GB is a Recorded item. Recorded is not a guaranteed delivery service. Information about the delivery of your item should be available within five days of posting. Please try again later.
Tracking number: DT646285464GB
I can not explain why yours is still outstanding, it is in the royal mail system somewhere. Everyone else has been delivered or it is waiting collection from your local depot, due to no signature being avalible.
R555 your cheque was paid in on Friday, and so should be shipped on Wednesday...
CatIlunya I will let you know when your cheque arrives...
13 September 2004, 11:53 AM
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Quick question for someone.
Having been asked to fit this kit to a car for someone, whilst doing other work, i refused to do so on the grounds that the size of the wiring going from the battery to the starter is insufficient.
Having got all the wiring laid out to where it needed to go, myself and David Wallis looked in the bag for a larger cable that would go to the starter.
Should the kit have been supplied with the larger cable, if so, it must be missing from this kit.
If not, then it wont be getting fitted unless i prepare a new cable for the kit.
The quality of the cable, heat shrinking, terminals are excellent, and the instructions are superb for anyone who doesnt know what they are doing.
The one downside, was this apparant missing cable/under sized cable.
This isnt a dig, i would just like to know the answer.
Steven
Having been asked to fit this kit to a car for someone, whilst doing other work, i refused to do so on the grounds that the size of the wiring going from the battery to the starter is insufficient.
Having got all the wiring laid out to where it needed to go, myself and David Wallis looked in the bag for a larger cable that would go to the starter.
Should the kit have been supplied with the larger cable, if so, it must be missing from this kit.
If not, then it wont be getting fitted unless i prepare a new cable for the kit.
The quality of the cable, heat shrinking, terminals are excellent, and the instructions are superb for anyone who doesnt know what they are doing.
The one downside, was this apparant missing cable/under sized cable.
This isnt a dig, i would just like to know the answer.
Steven
13 September 2004, 11:59 AM
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Id also like to know the logic in the placement of the cables...
Some seem rather erm.. pointless.
Some seem rather erm.. pointless.
13 September 2004, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by P20SPD
Quick question for someone.
Having been asked to fit this kit to a car for someone, whilst doing other work, i refused to do so on the grounds that the size of the wiring going from the battery to the starter is insufficient.
Having got all the wiring laid out to where it needed to go, myself and David Wallis looked in the bag for a larger cable that would go to the starter.
Should the kit have been supplied with the larger cable, if so, it must be missing from this kit.
If not, then it wont be getting fitted unless i prepare a new cable for the kit.
The quality of the cable, heat shrinking, terminals are excellent, and the instructions are superb for anyone who doesnt know what they are doing.
The one downside, was this apparant missing cable/under sized cable.
This isnt a dig, i would just like to know the answer.
Steven
Having been asked to fit this kit to a car for someone, whilst doing other work, i refused to do so on the grounds that the size of the wiring going from the battery to the starter is insufficient.
Having got all the wiring laid out to where it needed to go, myself and David Wallis looked in the bag for a larger cable that would go to the starter.
Should the kit have been supplied with the larger cable, if so, it must be missing from this kit.
If not, then it wont be getting fitted unless i prepare a new cable for the kit.
The quality of the cable, heat shrinking, terminals are excellent, and the instructions are superb for anyone who doesnt know what they are doing.
The one downside, was this apparant missing cable/under sized cable.
This isnt a dig, i would just like to know the answer.
Steven
I fitted the kit over the weekend.....
I swapped the cables from the alternator to the starter motor and viceversa and they reached the battery....
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13 September 2004, 12:23 PM
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its not a case of they dont reach its a case of they arent suitable for the power required to crank the engine.
4Awg or even 0AWG would be more suitable.
4Awg or even 0AWG would be more suitable.
13 September 2004, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by P20SPD
Quick question for someone.
Having been asked to fit this kit to a car for someone, whilst doing other work, i refused to do so on the grounds that the size of the wiring going from the battery to the starter is insufficient.
Having got all the wiring laid out to where it needed to go, myself and David Wallis looked in the bag for a larger cable that would go to the starter.
Should the kit have been supplied with the larger cable, if so, it must be missing from this kit.
If not, then it wont be getting fitted unless i prepare a new cable for the kit.
The quality of the cable, heat shrinking, terminals are excellent, and the instructions are superb for anyone who doesnt know what they are doing.
The one downside, was this apparant missing cable/under sized cable.
This isnt a dig, i would just like to know the answer.
Steven
Having been asked to fit this kit to a car for someone, whilst doing other work, i refused to do so on the grounds that the size of the wiring going from the battery to the starter is insufficient.
Having got all the wiring laid out to where it needed to go, myself and David Wallis looked in the bag for a larger cable that would go to the starter.
Should the kit have been supplied with the larger cable, if so, it must be missing from this kit.
If not, then it wont be getting fitted unless i prepare a new cable for the kit.
The quality of the cable, heat shrinking, terminals are excellent, and the instructions are superb for anyone who doesnt know what they are doing.
The one downside, was this apparant missing cable/under sized cable.
This isnt a dig, i would just like to know the answer.
Steven
I already changed the battery to inner wing cable (4 awg) when i bought the car as i couldn't believe how thin the standard cable was.
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13 September 2004, 12:35 PM
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Is 4 AWG rated to 80A and 0 AWG 150A ?
When I did some grounding points on my car I never touched the starter motor. I would guess that the majority of kits are designed for much smaller loads and therefore the same type of cable shouldn't be used as David and Paul suggests with the starter motor connection.
Vehicle Wiring Products specifically state seperate Starter Motor cable from the rest of their stock. These cables have Amp ratings of 105, 170 and 300 amps.
As for the logic, well that's pretty debatable. I did mine out of curiosity and it was well-cheap. Can't say I've noticed any difference to be perfectly honest.
Stefan
When I did some grounding points on my car I never touched the starter motor. I would guess that the majority of kits are designed for much smaller loads and therefore the same type of cable shouldn't be used as David and Paul suggests with the starter motor connection.
Vehicle Wiring Products specifically state seperate Starter Motor cable from the rest of their stock. These cables have Amp ratings of 105, 170 and 300 amps.
As for the logic, well that's pretty debatable. I did mine out of curiosity and it was well-cheap. Can't say I've noticed any difference to be perfectly honest.
Stefan
13 September 2004, 08:08 PM
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Got mine this morning and was going to do it when i returned from work. However i saw this post and thought an answer to Steven's question was needed. When looking on the net the AWG 7 wire is only rated to 89A for chassis wiring and 30A for power transmission. So am I to take it that we need another wire made up using at least AWG 4 wire ? Could this be supplied by the original group buy with no additional cost to each of us??
A reply from Nexuas would be great to know where to go next.
coulty
A reply from Nexuas would be great to know where to go next.
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13 September 2004, 09:16 PM
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I fitted the kit but left the std chassis and starter motor earthing in place and just used the cable left over from this for additional earthing points. The quality of this kit is excellent and it was packaged really well with the instructions etc...
and it was packaged really well with the instructions etc...
13 September 2004, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ayde
I fitted the kit but left the std chassis and starter motor earthing in place and just used the cable left over from this for additional earthing points. The quality of this kit is excellent and it was packaged really well with the instructions etc...
and it was packaged really well with the instructions etc...coulty
14 September 2004, 07:27 AM
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Ok I will put forward the logic of the kit at the risk of being Flamed etc...
On the OE earthing you have two wires one at 14MM (going to the bracket on the engine which happens to be near to the starter) and one at 12mm going to the body. That is it, this is the only connection to the negative side of the battery.
On the kit that I have supplied, YES the cable is all 10mm 7AWG. BUT there are THREE RUNS OF 10MM cable going onto the engine block, these may not be next to the starter motor, but they are all connected onto the block in some place (One to bracket of the alternator, one to the bracket next to the starter and on to the inlet manifold Via the left strut) Are you telling me that 30mm of cable (3X10mm) is less effective than ONE PIECE of 16MM??? When the engine is cranked then the load of the starter is dispersered through these three lengths of wire and the period of loading is generally fairly short, the 89A quoted above (I was under the inpression it was 75A) is continious draw, the wire will take a peak draw well in excess of this I am lead to believe
I will admit I am no expert in this and the earthing points I got were taken from looking at a friends car who had already done a kit, I just saw the group buy as a way of cutting the cost by buying the cable in bulk, and so making it cheaper for myself and other people invloved, I did not expect it to take off in the way that it did (Which actually caused a few more hassles than it really solved...)
If people wish to subsitute the starter cable for thicker then that is their choice, but I am lead to believe the kit is more than capable to meet the cars needs, it has been fitted to my car for a few weeks now and I have had no problems with it, the car starts much easier, and the idle is smoother. I can not vouch for any power gains but I have not RR'd the car since fitting the kit.
Hope this answers your queries?
On the OE earthing you have two wires one at 14MM (going to the bracket on the engine which happens to be near to the starter) and one at 12mm going to the body. That is it, this is the only connection to the negative side of the battery.
On the kit that I have supplied, YES the cable is all 10mm 7AWG. BUT there are THREE RUNS OF 10MM cable going onto the engine block, these may not be next to the starter motor, but they are all connected onto the block in some place (One to bracket of the alternator, one to the bracket next to the starter and on to the inlet manifold Via the left strut) Are you telling me that 30mm of cable (3X10mm) is less effective than ONE PIECE of 16MM??? When the engine is cranked then the load of the starter is dispersered through these three lengths of wire and the period of loading is generally fairly short, the 89A quoted above (I was under the inpression it was 75A) is continious draw, the wire will take a peak draw well in excess of this I am lead to believe
I will admit I am no expert in this and the earthing points I got were taken from looking at a friends car who had already done a kit, I just saw the group buy as a way of cutting the cost by buying the cable in bulk, and so making it cheaper for myself and other people invloved, I did not expect it to take off in the way that it did (Which actually caused a few more hassles than it really solved...)
If people wish to subsitute the starter cable for thicker then that is their choice, but I am lead to believe the kit is more than capable to meet the cars needs, it has been fitted to my car for a few weeks now and I have had no problems with it, the car starts much easier, and the idle is smoother. I can not vouch for any power gains but I have not RR'd the car since fitting the kit.
Hope this answers your queries?
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14 September 2004, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Nexuas
the impreza kit contains 7 X 75Amp and 1 X 60amp grounding wires and a battery clamp
75amp Cable = 10mm
60amp cable = 8mm
Please tell me if I have been mislead????
The 8mm wire being the slightly thinner wire that some of you got as the long run to the ECU, but as explained elsewhere the supplier had stopped stocking this and so in some kits this was subsituted with 10mm cable.
14 September 2004, 09:18 AM
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Im not denying the load might not be split via the cables, however the whole point in supposedly fitting an earthing kit is that there is supposedly some resistance between different points on the engine.. things like the inlet manifold are partially insulated by gaskets, but 8 bolts provide connectivity.. so this could do with an earth.. However If you get corrosion around the starter motor face.. what happens??
I would personally add a 4awg or bigger cable to the starter.
And im sure you know that the cable od has nothing to do with the current carrying capacity..
look at the number of strands on the starter motor cable vs even 4awg cable..
Not flaming or knocking the kit as its alot better than some efforts Ive seen.
David
I would personally add a 4awg or bigger cable to the starter.
And im sure you know that the cable od has nothing to do with the current carrying capacity..
look at the number of strands on the starter motor cable vs even 4awg cable..
Not flaming or knocking the kit as its alot better than some efforts Ive seen.
David
14 September 2004, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by David_Wallis
Im not denying the load might not be split via the cables, however the whole point in supposedly fitting an earthing kit is that there is supposedly some resistance between different points on the engine.. things like the inlet manifold are partially insulated by gaskets, but 8 bolts provide connectivity.. so this could do with an earth.. However If you get corrosion around the starter motor face.. what happens??
As for the corrosion on the starter motor face, the bracket that is used IIRC for the OE and replacement earthing is not ON the stater motor, but is on a bracket mounted on the engine NEAR TO the starter motor mounting point (I would go and check this but my car has just been taken off for repair, due a disaggreement with a muppet driving a prosche while taking on his hand held mobile and not paying attention... But that is another story) and so even the OE point would be liable to problems caused by corrsion????? Again I am open to correction...
I really do not want to start a war of words, and I will openly acknowledge that you know far more about the subject than I do.
If people wish to leave the OE cable running to the starter, or purchase a seperate thicker cable for this run then this is for them to decide, I have supplied the product I said would be supplied....
14 September 2004, 09:52 AM
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I'd just like to add we all think you done a great job for this group buy and even if we didn't use a couple of cables (i used them for more earthing points around the engine bay anyway) it was still great value for money and we all appreciate your efforts and if i see you around at any of the shows I'll buy you a beer or two for all you efforts. 