Tone Loc

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Mine is baffled... well it has some wire wool in it. Which i'd be more than happy with but it only comes up 1/3 of the height of the tank. So will more than likely do sweet F A . Any chance of being supplied with more wire wool so it actually fills the can??? I'm presuming this was done by Scoty as the standard Helix cans don't come with any wool in there.... iirc.

I really want to fit this (it's mounted juts not connected)... be really interested if somebody has managed to force the 12mm hose onto the 15mm crankcase vent (with out taking all their skin off ).

Tony.

TimDave25

I am VERY sorry all. I did expect a full kit too... when I got mine I thought it would be enough stuff but depending on where you mount it. I have fitted mine and had to buy extra T's, hose, and clamps.

I will post some pics soon which I hope will help you.

The B&Q near me has all the parts you need so if anyone is having problems finding the parts at their local B&Q get the till monkeys to call their Slough branch.

I will be calling the supplier later to see what we can do to sort this out.

Jazz

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Tim you have PM

WRX_Rich

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just got back off holiday, Its arrived but with no t's or instructions

TimDave25

OK, I have fitted mine so this is how I did it...

There are a number of different ways to fit the kit and I am no mechanic but this is what I have done…

I have a space at the back of the engine bay to fit the can to. I made a small bracket which went onto the back of the tank so I could remove it from the permanent bracket:


Working from the left of the engine TO the catch can:
1. Disconnect the three hoses from airbox.
2. From the left cam breather run hose/pipe over to the right cam breather and connect with a ‘T’.
3. From the crank seal breather run hose/pipe to near catch can.
4. Connect crank seal and cam breathers together using ‘T’ near the can (connect the crank seal breather on the direct ‘T’ and the cam from the bottom of the ‘T’)
5. Connect to catch tank.

Working from the catch can:
6. ‘T’ the exit host from the can.
7. Send the direct exit to the far end of the airbox.
8. Send the in-direct exit to the right side of the airbox.
9. Bung off the old crank seal intake on the airbox. (I have used a short bit of hose with a bolt clamped and sealed into place)





Things to think about…
1. The pressure coming from each of the outlets and so think about which end of the ‘T’ bits you want to connect the hoses.
2. Is the system sealed so that you don’t risk sending crap into your engine?
3. Can you use some of the existing hosts (better heat resistance)

I have been running this for a couple of days and the kinked hose is perfectly straight now. I need to tidy-up a little by shortening some of the hoses for a neater install but this is a start.

I am meeting with Jazz tomorrow evening so should be able to find a good mounting point in the turbo engine bay.

rooferman

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It looks a bit of a mess,if you dont mind me sayin....youve got a nice shiny can,and you carnt even see it because of all the tubing/t-pieces and bent hose..

Theres gotta be a neater/better way to connect all that hosing...well i hope there is anyway...!!!!

Anyone installed in a classic turbo yet?

Tone Loc

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I've said this elsewhere in the thread but i'll say it again...... i would NOT tee the cam cover breather and crankcase breather together before the catch tank. If you want the cam breather to go to the tank drill and tap another input. This is because for most of the time (on boost) the crankcase breather will vent air while the cam covers will take IN air. So all the ****e air coming out of the crankcase can just be recirculated into the cam covers..... completely missing out the catch tank .

I have at home a description of home the breather system works (from the Subaru workshop manual) if anybody needs it.... or i'll try to post up the relevant page tonight.

Tony.

TimDave25

When I have looked into the airbox you and see that oil has come up out of the cam breathers. I am guessing that this would mean the air is going out???

I am a bit confused now.

rooferman - YUP, it does need some tidying up!!! This was my first attempt with no pictures to guide me. I am planning to re-visit the plans to make it look nicer

Tone Loc

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Here is the diagram from Subaru's workshop manual (i.e issued by FHI):



I have never seen anybody with (significant) oil in the cam breathers on a turbo engine. Are you sure the oil hasn't come out of the crankcase into the inlet pipe and then drawn through into the cam covers?

A lot of people just put a K+N breather on the cam covers.... i will probably do this and take the crankcase only to the can.

Tony.

scooby_si

Any noows from supplier ref T pieces etc?
Just had word that Henning only has a small one & a large one (so to speak....)
Si

STE.W.

Iknow that most of you fellas have Imprezzas but here is a link to the Liberty / Legacy site in Oz.

http://www.rslibertyclub.org/forums/...pic.php?t=5004

It has a load of info for fitting oil catch tanks to Turbo Engines.

I will be using this info and yours to get myne and me mates tanks fitted to our turbos.

Hope its of use.

Ste.

TimDave25

YES... OK, the kit should contain, 2 Large T's and 2 Small T's, 1m of Large Hose and 1m of Small Hose.

If you are missing anything then please send an e-mail to sales@flat4online.co.uk and Scott (our supplier) will be happy to arrange for either the missing parts OR a refund for the bits that are missing.

Thanks all.

scoobyGLx

just found this as a quick guide ..

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/sho...=&threadid=693

.. for those you are going to T the crankcase and cam cover together.

Hope it helps.

STE.W.

Just a few more thoughts and I'm there....

Before I have the top machined to accept a breather, would you or wouldnt you fit one to the catch tank if you were venting your rockers.??

If I go the way I plan to, I would .....

a, Vent both rockers to atmo with breather filters and 1 metre of pipe.
b, Route from the pcv to the catch tank and back.
c, Vent the top of the catch tank with another breather filter!!!

Please can you let me know what you think.

I'm also a bit lost with the return to the system from the tank and where and what to block .

Please help.

Cheers,

Ste.

P.S. anyone thinking of buying breathers...

Motorworld sell Savage ones for £ 9.99 or if your up north and int boro area, TripleSix sell "Green" lookalikies for £10.45 each inc vat. Just make sure you've got your Chav Suits on when you go into Motorworld or they look at you like youre a librarian or headmaster or summat. Blinged up little $hits

Tone Loc

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Finally connected mine up. Gave up looking for suitable hose so heated the 12mm hose with a hairdryer... this made it nice and bending and managed to get it on the 15mm fittings for the crankcase breather. Also as a bonus it got rid of the kinks before fitting.

I've left the cam cover vents for now. Plan is either to VTA or add an additional input to the can. No way will i be teeing them into the crankcase line. No matter what links show other people have done so. Just look at the diagram i posted and make your own mind up...... it would have been far easier for subaru to tee these together before the input into the inlet pipe. Wounder why they didn't

I'd be in on a K+N breather group buy.... need a 12mm one and 19mm.

Tony.

MadGrip

anyone got pics of a bugeye install and what extra is needed

Phil

STE.W.

Tony, please could you let me know if you went from the crank to tank and back to the inlet pipe or into the pcv valve??

This is the only bit I'm concerned about on mine now.

Thanks in advance,

Ste.

Tone Loc

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Hi Ste.

I went from the tee out of the crank case vent to the can back to the inlet manifold. The other pipe from the tee from the crankcase vent is left as is... i.e it goes to the pcv valve to the inlet manifold. I wanted to keep the positive crankcase venting while cruising/off boost.

Tony.

STE.W.

Thanks Tony.

I am still in no mans land with mine.

Tell me straight if you think I've got this wrong or not.

Drivers side cam vent connected to 1 metre of 16mm hose across the back of the engine and under the throttle body.

It is T'd at this point using B&Q's finest plumbing bits to the other cam vent with 500mm of 16mm tube.

They then drop down on one 16mm tube under the car to the anti roll bar and are connected to a Green cone breather.

Ok so far????


Crank vent is connected with 16mm tube over inlet plenum to the front of the car where the alty is. There is a nice gap at the front where the air con pump should be on "posh" Subarus. Thats where I've installed the catch tank.

The crank vent pipe is connected to the right hand side one (looking from the front) and the left hand side one will be the return pipe fitted to the inlet to turbo pipe.

I have also had a B&Q 1/4 bsp adaptor threaded into the lid of the catch tank and have run 1 metre to the bottom of the car next to the cam vent breather. This too has a Green cone breather fitted.

Have I gone too far with this???

I'm worried now about unmetered air being drawn in post maf

Also....

Will the pcv not bypass the catch tank and draw oily air straight from the crank to the inlet manifold in the standard / "Tone" set up ?? Just thinking, not questioning your superior knowledge Tony

Please let me know your thoughts and anyone else for that matter.

Cheers in advance,

Ste.W.

Tone Loc

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Hi,

From your description i'm not sure why you have returned the crank line from the tank to the inlet pipe and had another take off put in the tank to atmosphere. With this additional take off i would have run the cam and crank breathers to the can via the standard two take offs and then just run the additional take off to atmosphere.

As for oily air entering the manifold via the PCV, this shouldn't be the case. It will only go this route if not on boost so the air taken in should not be oily (although it will have some gases in there). If your car is given a hard time each time you drive it i would ditch the PCV (block the hole in the manifold this leaves) and just run the crankcase breather direct to the catch can. If however you do communiting and shopping in the car (i.e a lot of time off boost with short journies) i would personally keep it in place.

Tony.

STE.W.

Thanks again Tony,

I will re-route some of my pipe work and vta using the third ouput.

I drive the car as God / the Devil intended (you choose the option) but our lass uses the car too and pootles around in it so the pcv will also have to be reintroduced.

I'll see if Bob T can get his *** in gear for me and post some pics up once I'm confident I've got it sorted.

Cheers Tony, You da Man!

Ste.W.

WRX_Rich

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Had a mail today saying we should have are extra bits soon

Im still looking for a dummy's guide to fitting a catch can to a bugeye

scooby_si

did i mention Henning has 1 of each T piece so seems to be shy of sum goodies too?
Si (too lazy to read back to check lol)

rooferman

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Has anyone fitted there can to a my 99 turbo yet,if they have could you put up how you fitted(with pics)if possible???????????


PLEASE

rooferman

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chris garner

up.

scooby_si

Has it gone quiet from the supplier in the hope we give up or am i just beign sceptical?
Si (AKA tight! )

toxwaz

has anyone fitted this to a late classic yet and got any pic`s of install? would be greatly appriciated!!!!!!!cheers mark

rooferman

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i,m not on my own then..............all i want is some f------ instructions and some t,s and some pipe long enough,to do the job.....i bet the supplier is well happy he got these off his hands

May be we should fill the cans with **** and send them back to him!!!!

Tone Loc

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It's very simple to fit..... but if you can't figure it out form the above pictures, discussion etc then i would not try to do it yourself. Let a garge who know what they are doing install it.

I do agree about the length of pipe. Complete waste of time

Tony.