Redkop

Don't think you will get an answer Beth as the pedants will say this is a 'cat' thread

InvisibleMan

i wonder if herons are protected? im sure some will have something to say about them being electricuted, assuming it has an adapted current to give all natures creatures just a little tingle & not fry their brains out.

Where does the law stand on electrifiying private gardens (apart from water & electric together ) we all know you get thrown in jail for barb-wiring your property....

logiclee

Yes they do by a considerable amount.

Any nature argument is not relevant, nature did not introduce cats into the area and niether did nature introduce the fish.

I introduced the fish onto my own personal property where they would not cause anyone else financial loss or distress. If my pond somehow flooded next doors property I would be responsible for his loss.

Now the people across the road knowingly introduced these animals into the area. They have caused financial damage on my property.
I cannot see how the owners cannot be legally responsible for there "Domestic Pets"

Getting away from the fish argument my next door neighbour hasn't got a garage so his nice C Class Merc sits on his drive. The cats have taken to sitting on his bonnet which now looks like an ice skating rink. He has also said he is going to seek legal advice, not sure how far he got.
If he catches one they will get a lot worse than the tingle off my fence.

Lee

dsmith

Nice to see the people who have consistantly tried to drag an argument (which they're losing) off topic.....

logiclee

It's legal I have been through all this. It could also be argued that the system is there to "Protect" some animals from drowning in the pond.

The Voltage is the same as and the current is much lower than that of "Safe" low voltage garden equipment such as lighting.
You could stick the supply on your tongue it wouldn't do you any harm.

Lee

logiclee

On the damage to my neighbours car then.

How do cat people feel about that?

You don't feel you have any responsibility for bringing them into urban areas?

Lee

J4CKO

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Diablo, cool, conjoined Rottweilers !

Are you going to have them separated ?

logiclee

If you must know a member of my household is disabled, they enjoy looking after and the soothing, relaxation of watching the fish. And yes I have a 300litre tank inside as well.

Also edited to add.
When fish are stressed they soon fall into poor condition and die. They will only breed when they feel relaxed in their environment. It's easy to tell if you have created the correct environment and eco system for fish.

Now can we move onto the car damage qestion?

Lee

dsmith

Its surprising how the people who are so proud of the kill rate of their precious cat are also blind to the enjoyment people can get out of other much more passive pets.

Deano

InvisibleMan

blame the egyptians for bringing cats into this country that planet???... OK NOONE HAVE PETS YOURE INTRODUCING THEM INTO URBANIA

we've always had cat & always ponds with fish. not ONCE has the cat gone after the fish. They may look but dont like getting wet, more interested in mice & birds. Itll be the herons. Do you have netting over the pond??? put a plastic heron by the pond. Herons are territorial so if there is one heron there, they wont approach. Problem solved

Spoon

Just seen this thread and haven’t read all the pages but I can say as a fish owner in adjoining ponds, total area approximately 80sqft, (so not small DBH), they are a pleasure to sit and watch and feed.
I have no problem from cats whatsoever due to owning a couple of gsd’s who roam the grounds day and night, plus I have no neighbours nearby.

I do however live on a heron flightpath between 2 of the largest heronry’s in the UK.
They have been responsible for killing a few fish but the dogs are often chasing them off so I guess I’d lose more.

The ponds aren’t near the house so the whole job of guarding the pond is left to the dogs.

Get this though, one of the gsd’s at 10 months old thought it would be a good idea one night to move the fish for their own safety.

In the morning I looked up the garden to see fish strewn everywhere!! (25 to be precise), totalling thousands of pounds. On investigation I found another 6 untouched in the kennel block.

So it seems puppies like fish too.

OllyK

I don't have fish at all (outside), but I reserve the right for them to do what they want on my property without fear of being killed by other people's pets

logiclee

Can't fault you for not reading all the pages mate but I've already explained about the herons and the fact I have the cats on video pawing the fish out of the water. Since the installation of the fence I've not lost a fish in over a year.

Not tried it but most pond owners say the plastic herons don't work BTW.

Lee

OllyK

[QUOTE=Drunken Bungle *****]
Some cats eat fish and some don't. Fish owners really should be aware of this when they buy the fish....... Unless of course they all have £18k to spend on pond security.....
QUOTE]

And you should be aware there are people out there that are theives, so that makes it your fault if you get burgled, you should have taken account of this when you bought your house

Gimme a break, people know cats kill things, sure, and fish owners take a degree of precaution, but should they not be able to enjoy their pets without having to cover the pond in so much protection that they can't see it?? Why can't cat owners take the rest of the responsibility and ensure their cats don't kill / destroy other people's property, that's all we are asking

InvisibleMan

well sounds like youve got stupid fish then for not reacting....

Survival of the fittest and all that....

a heron wont approach another. its nature. ok get a heron train it with a clicky to protect the fish rather than eat them....

OllyK

Oh so now, not only will you not take responsibility for your own pet's action, you now have to take a pop at other people's pets because they don't have fur, kill other animals and crap in other people's gardens???

I don't care what you want to have as a pet, just keep the damn thing under control. I thin some people are wandering way off the plot here

TelBoy

Badly made. WTF are you talking about?

As for "not understanding" the "So much opinion, so little experience" soundbyte; it wasn't so much a lack of comprehension, more the breathtaking arrogance of the statement. "Forum daddy" (to ajm)?? WTF is that all about? People aren't worthy of an opinion in your world? Get a grip.

InvisibleMan

cos its fcukin nature! what are you lot like??? you cant control evolution & mother nature you gotta let it take its course. Then why dont those nature programs interfere & try to stop the animals when theyre killing each other....

OllyK

Funny isn't it, cat owners can take the **** out of other pets owners, laugh when their cat kills other peoples pet, and yet anybody suggests so much as trapping a cat and they are up in arms about it, now who has lost all sense of perspective?

OllyK

[QUOTE=Drunken Bungle *****]
However, humans are not cats natural predators, dogs are. It's not for you to go after the cats. If you hate it so much, buy a dog.
QUOTE]

I have, and if I let my dog go about killing cats, how long do you think it would be before my dog was put down for being a menace and me prosecuted?

OllyK

You don't have to understand what somebody gets out of a pet to allow them to get on and enjoy it. We are not questioning your right to own a cat, we just ask that you take responsibility for the damn thing

David Lock

Plastic Herons do not work........ (for cats or other Herons).

Spoon

Plastic herons do not work plus I've had more than one heron at my pond at a time.

I've netted the pond, I've alarmed the pond, neither work.

The heron wants fish, the heron gets fish, unless the dogs chase them off.

Hearsay is quite often bollócks, in this case it is bollócks.

logiclee

That is exactly what cat owners are doing, interfering with nature by introducing predators into a non natural environment. Keeping a predator safe and feeding it then letting it ou to kill in an urban situation is not natural at all.

Will some of the cat people please respond to their view on the damage to my neighbours car.

Cheers
Lee

David Lock

Minor hijack but just to say that a triple tripwire around my pond has - touch wood - defeated the Herons so far. DL

InvisibleMan

a dog couldnt kill a cat to save its life, couldnt even catch one. Cats would claw their eyes out

now im not taking sides im not against cats or dogs all pets are equal its just the owners who have the issues. you get a pet cos you like that animal more than others. each to their own.

this is getting pathetic & im bored of it all.....

InvisibleMan

/from a cat owner whos cat has scratched his car

erm how about get a life

/from a cat owner whos cat has scratched his car

/

logiclee

So if a teenage youth scratched a car there would be multipage thread on how he ought to be inprisoned for life .and loads of sympathy for the cars owner. If it was a four year old child we would want the parents held responsible.
If someones pet damaged our car though then it's the car owner who ought to get a life.

dba

who the fukc voted yes? are you insane? pmsl,when my cat ***** where i tell it then hold me responsible,although i think you might have to wait for about 2 million years