Own up who has the 365BHP WR1 on here???
11 June 2004, 11:59 AM
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A twin scroll will get 365bhp easily but as said above i doubt that the standard WR1 turbo will go much above 340bhp unless of course this so called person has changed the turbo and a few other bits. Correct me if i'm wrong but the WR1 is an STI8 with dccd-a, its not a spec c or even JDM spec car!
I don't know of any STI7's/8's with 350bhp on standard turbos!!!!
I don't know of any STI7's/8's with 350bhp on standard turbos!!!!
11 June 2004, 12:02 PM
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Lol, not going to clear any of that up Gangsta, as I prefer to keep you and Julian guessing.
As for "rubbishing other people's cars", I think you'll find that any opinions I express are based on sound experience, and that I spend far more time on here helping folk out than you do, so, to put it bluntly, unless you can do better, shut your yap.
I'm not doubting that this car "exists". What I am saying is that the power figures quoted aren't reliably realistic given the technical package under the WR1's bonnet, and the modifications claimed to have been made. Thus, as I said, either the figures are inaccurate (and no, a rolling road printout is not a cast iron guarantee), or the car is likely to suffer a failure within fairly short order.
As for "rubbishing other people's cars", I think you'll find that any opinions I express are based on sound experience, and that I spend far more time on here helping folk out than you do, so, to put it bluntly, unless you can do better, shut your yap.
I'm not doubting that this car "exists". What I am saying is that the power figures quoted aren't reliably realistic given the technical package under the WR1's bonnet, and the modifications claimed to have been made. Thus, as I said, either the figures are inaccurate (and no, a rolling road printout is not a cast iron guarantee), or the car is likely to suffer a failure within fairly short order.
11 June 2004, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RB5SCOTT
I don't know of any STI7's/8's with 350bhp on standard turbos!!!!
TBH, the WR1 wasnt and isnt a good starting point for tuning, why do you think that Prodrive use only JDM cars as rally cars? (could also have something to do with the rules?) and not euro cars?
Starting with a GL as a base platform is better than using a Euro Spec Sti, simple fact (plus its much cheaper
) and the fact that the WR1 is a limited edition so it will hold its price better (except when you have invalidated the warranty so its not worth anything 
) it really does defeat the object of what the car was produced for.Tony
11 June 2004, 12:06 PM
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Gangsta ........
Yes I own an STi
The question which remains un-answered is the comment that the work was carried out by prodrive themselves and the UK warranty remains on the car. That is great news for the other WR1 owners out there....de-cat with full warranty ...hmmmm???
As for whether an extra 45bhp can be gained by changing the already aggresive map and changing a sports cat to a de-cat I will let you argue that one out with those who know more about that sort of thing then I do.......
Yes I own an STi
The question which remains un-answered is the comment that the work was carried out by prodrive themselves and the UK warranty remains on the car. That is great news for the other WR1 owners out there....de-cat with full warranty ...hmmmm???
As for whether an extra 45bhp can be gained by changing the already aggresive map and changing a sports cat to a de-cat I will let you argue that one out with those who know more about that sort of thing then I do.......
11 June 2004, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Nor running top mounts either
TBH, the WR1 wasnt and isnt a good starting point for tuning, why do you think that Prodrive use only JDM cars as rally cars?
TBH, the WR1 wasnt and isnt a good starting point for tuning, why do you think that Prodrive use only JDM cars as rally cars?
11 June 2004, 12:13 PM
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Greasemonkey ... not doubting you're knowledge and I know you help people on here out .. you helped me out in the past which I greatly appreciated. I just get annoyed with others rubbishing actual facts - certain people on here know who this guy is have been in the car and seen what it does - others have seen the power figures so it's the case of the evidence shows the facts are true and that's enough for a conviction so can we end this constant arguing over whether a WR1 is this or that and can do this and can't do that.
The car does exist many have seen it - others have seen actual evidence. Nobody else here knows about the car so can't rubbish the information with just statistics.
regarding the guy who doubt's new age STI's can run 350 on a standard turbo. I know two guys that do and they've had them doing this power for a while with no problems. I was at a rolling road where one was dynoed twice with pretty much the same result!!
The car does exist many have seen it - others have seen actual evidence. Nobody else here knows about the car so can't rubbish the information with just statistics.
regarding the guy who doubt's new age STI's can run 350 on a standard turbo. I know two guys that do and they've had them doing this power for a while with no problems. I was at a rolling road where one was dynoed twice with pretty much the same result!!
11 June 2004, 12:15 PM
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Some of us have been involved in Scoobies for more years than some on here have had licences. I trust the information I have got from Scoobynet in the last 4-5 years as it has done me very well. Guys like GreaseMonkey and TonyBurns know alot about these cars. I suggest you listen.
We seem now to be getting more and more Maxpower type claims of what they can tune their car to, and then slag off those that know when it is questionned.
Now you claim you have experienced it - just seeing it ? or do we have dyno proof ?
We seem now to be getting more and more Maxpower type claims of what they can tune their car to, and then slag off those that know when it is questionned.
Now you claim you have experienced it - just seeing it ? or do we have dyno proof ?
11 June 2004, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Gangsta Smurf
regarding the guy who doubt's new age STI's can run 350 on a standard turbo.
Originally Posted by Gangsta Smurf
I know two guys that do and they've had them doing this power for a while with no problems. I was at a rolling road where one was dynoed twice with pretty much the same result!!
You have to remember that this car has now been tuned 100bhp above standard, if you think the turbo is going to be up to that, even considering that Prodrive looked into this and found that the safe limit for reliability was 315bhp +/- X BHP, and the owner of the car tuning 50bhp above this and expect no problems.....
Tony
PS GM, the N10 is actually a GL
11 June 2004, 12:30 PM
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This is ridiculous!
The stock turbo does not have the airflow to make this figure reliably.
Do you not think that if it was possible to increase the stock turbo by this amount that companies not concerned with warranty would already be doing it? Why would a company make a product called 333 (for example, and there seems to be some doubt about that output too!) if it was possible to make a product called 365 instead?
There are also other restrictions that need to be addressed besides the exhaust, the current PPP exhaust set-up is a good compromise, back pressure (logged, measured back pressure - not guessed at down the pub) is not that high you know, exhaust changes are made to decrease back pressure, you are into ever decreasing gains once you have dropped the stock one.
The JDM twin scroll set-up is a different animal to the export STi, most will be aware of Bob's efforts with his and some will be aware I own one too. While I agree that 350+ is possible on a twin scroll (without changing the turbo) I do not agree that it's "easy"
I think the "arm-chair-tuners" are getting a little carried away to be honest, the "re-map" what exactly do you think this accomplishes? Do you really think there is space to get another 50 bhp? Lets be clear on this, we are talking about changing the exhaust and adding a dump valve for 50bhp...
The stock turbo would be so far off it's efficiency island at that flow rate it's air temps would be nuclear!
Cheers
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Oh, btw - the WR1 is warranted for 3 years 60,000 miles too
The stock turbo does not have the airflow to make this figure reliably.
Do you not think that if it was possible to increase the stock turbo by this amount that companies not concerned with warranty would already be doing it? Why would a company make a product called 333 (for example, and there seems to be some doubt about that output too!) if it was possible to make a product called 365 instead?
There are also other restrictions that need to be addressed besides the exhaust, the current PPP exhaust set-up is a good compromise, back pressure (logged, measured back pressure - not guessed at down the pub) is not that high you know, exhaust changes are made to decrease back pressure, you are into ever decreasing gains once you have dropped the stock one.
The JDM twin scroll set-up is a different animal to the export STi, most will be aware of Bob's efforts with his and some will be aware I own one too. While I agree that 350+ is possible on a twin scroll (without changing the turbo) I do not agree that it's "easy"
I think the "arm-chair-tuners" are getting a little carried away to be honest, the "re-map" what exactly do you think this accomplishes? Do you really think there is space to get another 50 bhp? Lets be clear on this, we are talking about changing the exhaust and adding a dump valve for 50bhp...
The stock turbo would be so far off it's efficiency island at that flow rate it's air temps would be nuclear!
Cheers
Simon
Oh, btw - the WR1 is warranted for 3 years 60,000 miles too
11 June 2004, 12:30 PM
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Guys as I said before I know this guy very well. I'm not a max-power type nor will I ever be.
Yes Greasemonkey is a clever guy, but sometimes people do make mistakes, and no matter how good people are statistics mean nothing if evidence to the contrary exists.
I myself own a WR1 and this car pulls away from mine and is significantly more powerful ...
Why can people on here not bite the bullit and just admit that such a car can exist. About 10 people have vouched for it in this post alone. All I've seen on this page is people bang on about how it isn't possible but IT IS, and IT DOES EXIST.
Jesus it's hard work posting in here now .. no wonder this guy doens't want anything to do with posting up on here about his car!!
Yes Greasemonkey is a clever guy, but sometimes people do make mistakes, and no matter how good people are statistics mean nothing if evidence to the contrary exists.
I myself own a WR1 and this car pulls away from mine and is significantly more powerful ...
Why can people on here not bite the bullit and just admit that such a car can exist. About 10 people have vouched for it in this post alone. All I've seen on this page is people bang on about how it isn't possible but IT IS, and IT DOES EXIST.
Jesus it's hard work posting in here now .. no wonder this guy doens't want anything to do with posting up on here about his car!!
11 June 2004, 12:32 PM
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Sorry mate not going to happen.
Not real 365 hp.
Pub figure maybe.
Standard turbo too restrictive and agree with the decat downpipe.
Your car already has a far less restrictive exhaust system developed by Prodrive!!!
Sorry.
There`s a few guys on here that know a little about Subaru`s ya know and a few numptie`s of course
Not real 365 hp.
Pub figure maybe.
Standard turbo too restrictive and agree with the decat downpipe.
Your car already has a far less restrictive exhaust system developed by Prodrive!!!
Sorry.
There`s a few guys on here that know a little about Subaru`s ya know and a few numptie`s of course
11 June 2004, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Gangsta Smurf
Jesus it's hard work posting in here now .. no wonder this guy doens't want anything to do with posting up on here about his car!!
He doesnt want to invalidate his warranty
Tony
11 June 2004, 12:37 PM
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Well whatever the case I can't be fcuked to post up on here anymore about this car.
The WR1's are ****, I've wasted £30K on one, they can't be made any more powerful, evidence counts for nothing, my knowledge on these cars is rubbish because my name isn't Greasemonkey.
The WR1's are ****, I've wasted £30K on one, they can't be made any more powerful, evidence counts for nothing, my knowledge on these cars is rubbish because my name isn't Greasemonkey.
11 June 2004, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gangsta Smurf
I myself own a WR1 and this car pulls away from mine and is significantly more powerful ...
It's the superheated air from the turbo, somehow it's escaping down the exhaust and acting as a jet assist....
Simon
11 June 2004, 12:45 PM
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What turbo is in a WR1?
I'm now confused as the specs bandied about seem to differ wildly... and with the rest of what's going on, the turbo I'd have thought would be the limiting factor (assuming the fuel pressure, etc. has been upped, etc.).
On the other hand, who cares? Power is by no means the be all & end all of everything. If it was, we'd probably all be driving Audis... A car's 'worthiness' cannot (& should not) be judged by its power output.
I'm now confused as the specs bandied about seem to differ wildly... and with the rest of what's going on, the turbo I'd have thought would be the limiting factor (assuming the fuel pressure, etc. has been upped, etc.).
On the other hand, who cares? Power is by no means the be all & end all of everything. If it was, we'd probably all be driving Audis... A car's 'worthiness' cannot (& should not) be judged by its power output.
11 June 2004, 12:46 PM
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Keep it up guys, you are brightening rather dull Friday
BTW
I think that one has long since been put to bed, to be fair. It's funny how all the doubters went very quiet and hardly anybody posted about the EVO article 
BTW
Why would a company make a product called 333 (for example, and there seems to be some doubt about that output too!)
11 June 2004, 12:51 PM
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Simon when i said easily i meant the fact that you only need an Exhaust system, induction kit, octane and re-map As compared to getting involved in changing turbo's, intercooolers, pumps etc
As compared to getting involved in changing turbo's, intercooolers, pumps etc
11 June 2004, 12:58 PM
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[quoteDon't start us off on the EVO article again edcase ... we'll be at 10 pages in no time[/quote]
Quick, get on the phone to Trouser!
Gangsta, to be fair mate you are dealing with the people who developed the car, there is no greater authority. Your friend's car may have 340ish, even that would be enough to pull away from you, and the exhaust will also give the impression of more power / speed due to the extra sound.
As pretty much everybody on here will tell you, rolling roads are almost always simply a lowest (or in this case highest) common denominator GUIDELINE. The difference between two different rolling roads can be 20bhp. I have seen it and experienced it so I know what I'm talking about. Also things like intake / charge temps on the day, octane booster etc etc.
Nobody doubts the car exists, and I'm not in the least bit surprised to see a WR1 with a decat and remap, but you are fighting a lost battle on this one
Quick, get on the phone to Trouser!
Yes Greasemonkey is a clever guy, but sometimes people do make mistakes, and no matter how good people are statistics mean nothing if evidence to the contrary exists.
I myself own a WR1 and this car pulls away from mine and is significantly more powerful ...
I myself own a WR1 and this car pulls away from mine and is significantly more powerful ...
As pretty much everybody on here will tell you, rolling roads are almost always simply a lowest (or in this case highest) common denominator GUIDELINE. The difference between two different rolling roads can be 20bhp. I have seen it and experienced it so I know what I'm talking about. Also things like intake / charge temps on the day, octane booster etc etc.
Nobody doubts the car exists, and I'm not in the least bit surprised to see a WR1 with a decat and remap, but you are fighting a lost battle on this one
11 June 2004, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Gangsta Smurf
Why can people on here not bite the bullit and just admit that such a car can exist. About 10 people have vouched for it in this post alone. All I've seen on this page is people bang on about how it isn't possible but IT IS, and IT DOES EXIST.
Call me daft, but I would have thought that is evidence enough
11 June 2004, 01:07 PM
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edcase ... I realised about me fighting a losing battle - that's why I stopped posting about it.
Dreamweaver ... threads over now mate - everybodies had their say and I gave up trying to defend this car.
Dreamweaver ... threads over now mate - everybodies had their say and I gave up trying to defend this car.
11 June 2004, 01:27 PM
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MY WRX PPP has 350BHP, with no mods. Installed new mud flaps yesterday and the thing flies, will post RR figures later.
Don't fully understand the technicalities of this, but I believe that GM and the guys know their stuff, no chance of 365 mate.
Essex pub talk.
I would have thought that a Spec C would be the best car use as a base to modify, and cheaper than the understeering WR1 too!
Don't fully understand the technicalities of this, but I believe that GM and the guys know their stuff, no chance of 365 mate.
Essex pub talk.
I would have thought that a Spec C would be the best car use as a base to modify, and cheaper than the understeering WR1 too!
11 June 2004, 01:39 PM
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Gangsta: i think you're missing their point mate
they arent saying that it doesnt exist.
they are simply stating that if this certain WR1 is running the said power then the reliability and engine life has been greatly reduced and kinds warning the owner to expect it not to last that long.
p.s. when do i get to go out in your WR1 have u had the sat nav and tv's installed now?
they arent saying that it doesnt exist.
they are simply stating that if this certain WR1 is running the said power then the reliability and engine life has been greatly reduced and kinds warning the owner to expect it not to last that long.
p.s. when do i get to go out in your WR1
have u had the sat nav and tv's installed now?
11 June 2004, 01:49 PM
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RB5, the people that know are saying it's not possible, with just a map and decat.
GS - Nothing against Essex people, in fact I was there on Monday, even the Essex girls seemed okay!!! Are you goint to the NBO on Sunday? Wouldn't mind a look round your WR1 mate.
Dan
GS - Nothing against Essex people, in fact I was there on Monday, even the Essex girls seemed okay!!! Are you goint to the NBO on Sunday? Wouldn't mind a look round your WR1 mate.
Dan