imlach

"Rural" and "damp" have NOTHING to do with it.

The jungle is rural and damp. Fuel costs for electricity and gas are not higher because you are rural.

Don't pity yourself

RRB

Now that is funny. The royal family are on some bloody wage then for the job they do. Do you think they need anymore money than they already have ? By stopping giving them anymore money do you think tourists would stop coming over here ? Do you think the tourists come over here and have personal audiences with the royal family? Regardless if the royals were here or not the tourists would still come to look at the palace and do what tourists do. The royals are based in London so where do you think most of the tourist revenue is generated ? It certainly isnt coming to scotland.

No disrespect to you but its statements like that, that keep us from ever getting rid of those fat assed good for nothing waste of space spongers.

I am so anti-royal by the way its unreal, you may have noticed

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

Jus think if the government changed their draconian licencing laws so that people could dring 24/7 just think of all the lovely extra taxes they could collect

Adam M

dont know if this has been convered as I havent read the whole thread, but to my knowledge, of the cost of petrol, only 5p per litre goes tot he petrol comanies, the rest is tax. With this in mind, increase in the barrel price will affect that basic cost of 5p.

Is the remaining tax a percentage of the initial amount or a fix addition, because if its a percentage then how can the government justify the increase reflected in the price we see at the pump as it is there taxation which has compounded the effect on the end purchaser.

Surely if it were a fixed taxation of say 75p per litre, then the change in the barrel cost of oil would only be in the region of 1p a litre rather than the 7 to 10p we are experiencing?

imlach

It scares me to read that OPEC is unsure it can meet demand for oil supply this year.

I wish we could all just cut down on our dependence on oil. If everyone could only do their bit.....hopefully higher prices will persuade some of you to give it a second thought....

Jye

Emm last time I looked I didnt live in a jungle, of which most if not all are usually warm and moist I see you also missed out the 'cold' bit in your sad wee quote Blind as well as glib are we? So anyhow, forget me and my 'pity', boo, hoo, are you then saying that a pensioner in the north of Scotland should suffer higher fuel costs because of the colder climate when compared to a comparable pensioner in say southern England? This is what TAXING something as necessary as fuel does imlach, in penalises many people in an unfair and all-encompassing manner.

Should someone on a low income do without the use of a car or fuel just because the government has decided to tax fuel rather than income? I'd increase income tax by 3p/£ (your idea) in a minute before ANY fuel tax. If someone earns £200 pw thats only six quid a week, or just over a gallon of petrol which might get them to work once if they have to travel 30 miles like some people in cold, damp, rural Scotland

You really do love that ivory tower of yours imlach.........

(edited to help imlachs blinkered selective vision problems )

dnb

I would think OPEC have a vested interest in keeping the price up, so I'm not putting a great deal of faith in this.

I agree with Adam. Isn't petrol tax based on a VAT percentage plus an amount that used to be called "purchase tax"? Of course, the VAT is worked out last, so you'll pay tax on the tax

Why is the petrol tax not used more openly to fund development of such things as electric and hydrogen powered vehicles? Surely this would be very worthwhile, as patents and intellectual property rights are good things to have...

scooby2000

why don't we just put a sign up in every point of entry into this country saying " WELCOME TO RIPPOFF BRITAIN "

and change the country's motto to " SOD YOU I'M ALRIGHT "

Adam M

patents are not worth having if you arent exploiting an invention, they only last 20 years from their filing date and cost enormous amounts to keep them active in terms of their renewal fees.

They also have to be applied for in each country you want to cover, and you have to decide on this after the first year. Meaning 12 months after your ground breaking invention you have to stump up around £30k for international protection of am invention that might not even take off the ground. The you have to renew at a cost of on average £300 per country per year for 20 further years. In that position your hydrogen car better be making you a good return, which it won't start doing for a few years especially whilst petrol is around.

Jye

Or we could just let imlach become the next pm, he seem to have an answer for everything just like that **** Bliar once did

imlach

Jye, you missed the point. Do I have to spell it out You're looking for sympathy using your cold, damp, rural point, but 2 of these things have no bearing.

I admit is is cold in Scotland (which is why I didn't state that), but damp & rural do not affect your fuel costs. THAT is my point. The jungle is damp & rural, and that doesn't cause the jungle to have higher fuel costs...

Jye

Of course rural affects your fuel cost. If I stay 30 miles from the nearest decent public transport then I HAVE to use a car. You really are dim

Yeah, the cold DAMP (how long does it take to dry out damp rooms with a 2 bar electric fire?) weather means my fuel bills dont go up, lol what a clown you are

imlach

Errr...if you can't afford to run a car, don't get one. A car IS NOT a right to everyone in this country.

Good grief, how did your grandfather or great-grandfather get around your rural area back when he was your age?

Lazy git.

imlach

Jye, you were talking about heating costs, not transport costs in your orignal quote.

Don't have any problems with damp in my house in Scotland. Fix your house, don't blame the goverment.

Jye

So then, because of fuel TAX costs I should give up my car, my job, my life? Just so YOU and our stealth taxing government seem to want to tax a fuel rather than income? Get a grip, your arguement is sounding desperate, elitist and rather pathetic. But then you do own a bike, which I assume you will use for your next job (if you bother getting one) if it emans travelling a round trip of 60 miles with NO public transport. Get a grip imlach.....

Jye

--Jye, you were talking about heating costs, not transport costs in your orignal quote--

No I wasnt, you just couldnt see that. As I said, BLINKERED

imlach, unlike you in your ivory tower, I think of others not just me. MANY people in Scotland live in damp houses, perhaps once you come down from the tower you will see

imlach

<sigh>

Usual argument get out clause from you

Jye

Respond in kind then, lol

imlach

You said :


Which part of that says car

Jye

imlach, if you cant see Im talking fuel costs in general, make that opticians appointment now m8

You are skirting the issues here m8

imlach

I'm thinking of the WHOLE world Jye, and how we can reduce oil consumption, you're thinking about how much your next car journey will cost.

Selfish.

imlach

You continually refer to this as if it is some jibe....at least I AM doing something for the environment, instead of your lazy fat *** in the car you clearly can't afford to run

Jye

Hmm, Im afraid I cant save the whole world, and when It comes to looking after my family first I simply cant afford to take a global view, call me selfish if you want, I call it pragmatic.

imlach

Of course you can't, neither can I.
It's about ALL of us playing a small part. All these bit parts add up....

Jye

imlach, Im not talking about me personally in all this, Im talking of people who things like fuel affect first and foremost. I do have a bike, I do use it, but asking me to drive 60 miles a day on it, emm, no. I drive a diesel, i can afford it, its the fuel that cost m8, not that car.

Jye

And Im not fat, all this cold weather and no heating keeps me slim

imlach

..and I've never asked you to cycle 60 miles. Good grief.

The costs of a car are ALL the costs mate, not just the car itself. You can buy an oven, but it's useless without food to cook in it (which costs).

Jye

Hmm, think I'll leave it at that I'm off home, a nice 30 mile trip so I better get moving. I might even go for a ride on the bike, my motorbike or my pushbike, oh the choices, save the planet or go for a burn???

imlach

Laugh all you like mate, your grandchildren won't see it in quite the same amusing manner that you quite clearly do

RRB

Having just read the the last few posts, i have to say Imlach, you sound totally elitist with the upperclass "im living comfortably screw the poor people" attitude. Like i said in a previous post its crap like this that screws everyone else. Whats going to happen when the lower classes become extinct due to decreasing birth rates because lower class cant afford to have families? I guess the middle class will move to lower class and the upper class will move to middle class. Then we will see the real moaning and complaining about the government really start.