FranckF1

Hi,

I just joined this forum and that's the first message I read. I feel really sorry for you. Hard time but it will get better soon.

What's important is that you're all safe.

Good luck for the future !

Franck

Daz34

Sorry to hear that
I second John's comments about a Diesel spillage.

pugoetru you nobber

I was at a RTA yesterday (as a member of the Emergency Services). This car had hit a parked car doing a spot of very dangerous overtaking. The young couple involved were basically ok but didn't have their seat belts on & had hit the windscreen & steering wheel with some force, getting blood all over there burberry outfits.
There names were Wayne & Whitney!!!! TRUE

nicebloke36

taizman ..
"If you were able, what would be to stop you buying an insurance policy at £200, and driving into a brick wall, then claiming against yourself for £5000 in injuries caused by yourself"
that seems to be directed towards me.. does it not ?
it appears i did call you a daft c-nt. ok fair play, bit excessive, ill stick with you just being a tosser, as the above quote shows, it appears you were insinuating i would do such a thing..
maybe im overreacting.. maybe your comments stuck in my mind, and maybe you got the brunt of it ?? if so i apolagise,
but is still think your comment for my situation are out of fooking order, and im sorry i am unable to communicate on such an adult level as you, but then we all have problems dont we grandad ?
erm.. i cant quite think of any more insults cos im going for my dinner.. but to be honest most of them were aimed at "pugoetru"
but i stick to what i said earlier... i think constructive, productive comments so close to the rawness of the incident would be appreciated, rather than 'holier than thou' finger pointing
you decided to pick the least significant part of my thread to respond to... i felt/ feel that ragardless of bad language your tone was condescending, patronising and had a contemptious undertone...... and i dont have 'sproggs'
ok.. no hard feelings ? w@anker ;0)

StickyMicky

i few hard racing starts seams to bed tyres in faster, but thats only if your in a real hurry to bed them in, i thought everybody knew you had to get all te crap of the rubber before the tyre could be used properly

its pretty easy to feel that the cars diffrent, when u drive away on fresh rubber

Hanslow

Paul,

I had the same thing happen to me in my MY00 with 4 new Toyos. I was told not to push the car until they were bedded in properly.

I was really pushing it at just under 30mph around a corner (and no it wasn't like a hairpin) on a wet road (it hadn't been raining for about 2 weeks) and also went over a drain cover. Bank end drifted, caught it, didn't catch it coming back When we collided with a barrier, seat belts didn't tension, no airbags went off, collision speed was small.

I put it down to the tyres and being unlucky. There were cars going round that corner twice as fast as me (including the police who turned up) with no problems at all.

On my missus' Puma, the tyres didn't feel fully scrubbed in until about 750 miles of them being on the car.

Worse thing you can do is beat yourself up over what-ifs because it's happened now. As long as you and the family are OK, chalk it up to experience, and think what could have happened if you were pushing it and it had let go.


[Edited by Hanslow - 11/23/2003 2:22:11 PM]

Spoon

Nicebloke- As I suggested earlier, have you checked the tyre pressures?

As said already, the main thing is your children are fine even if they won't want to go out with dad again.

As far as the comments you didn't like then I guess you did ask for them in your original posting.

Maybe it should have read, "only advice I want to hear right now"?

S Page

Nicebloke36

Sorry to hear your news, good that your all ok. ive read many of the replies youve had and have a few comments to make:

Have you ever driven the car on that type of tyre before? as you would expect all tyres have different characteristic's, what might have excellent grip in the dry might have poor in the wet, i know from experience, i once went from Michelen - great allrounder to Dunlops - good in dry absolute sh#te in wet no confidence at all, actually changed them to Yokohama's - best tyre ive used, only downfall is they dont last long.

3 comments as regards wheel size :
1, have you always driven on 18"s?
2, was the tyre width the same as before, (wider tyres offer less grip in wet)?
3, does the insurance company know you run on 18"s, if not they may try to wriggle out of a claim due to car not being standard?

Yes as others have said all new tyres need at least 50-100 miles running in (in the dry, longer in wet) due to the slippy mould release agents used.

I think John mentioned about Diesel and sueing the council, yes Diesel is a bitch especially in the wet, gives you no warning unless you see it and sometimes smell it, and has the same feeling as black ice when you hit it, i should know its had me off my motorbike on 2 occasions on roundabouts. You can only sue the council if the diesel spill has already been reported to them and they have not taken any action over it, you cant sue them for something they dont know about. If it was Diesel tho i would of expected more people to lose control on it.

Dont think your tyre coming off the rim will be due to not being put on properly, the tyre wouldnt hold its pressure unless the beading is seated correctly and it would feel like driving on a square wheel if not correctly seated. If you hit the kerb (which i assume you did) in your spin then this would be enough to unseat the tyre and yes 3 wheels would give you more than enough grip at 40.
Dont know if there are any laws stating whether or not that tyre companies/fitters should issue you with safety guidlines to follow??

Hope it all gets sorted.

Colonel Mullet

Put 4 new Goodyear F1s on my car last year and they were nothing short of lethal for the first few miles. I nearly lost it on the first roundabout after the tyre fitters and I was only doing 20mph. I would therefore agree with those who have said there is a good chance of the new tyres being entirely responsible for your accident.

I think tyre fitting establishments should always advise customers of the potential danger of brand new tyres. I was already aware that tyres needed scrubbing and was therefore taking care but I still wasn't expecting the complete loss of grip I experienced.

If you're feeling particularly litigious then you could always investigate the possibility of a claim against the fitters for failing to advise you of the danger.



[Edited by Colonel Mullet - 11/23/2003 4:42:46 PM]

Spoon

nicebloke36

i told liverpool victoria, it had prodrive alloys on, they didnt ask the price, i told them it had been prodrived, they said they didnt need to know,.... i spose im not interested in suing anybody.... i think like you all have pointed out, if i had been aware of the goodyear F1's being so slippy when new, id of been more careful.. i guess ive learnt a very hard and dangerous lesson...... sorry to all ive mouthed off too.... its like i said..shook me up.. scared me.... if/when i get the car back i dont know how im gonna feel getting back in !?!?!?!?!
i hope there is no problem with the insurance, ive been honest and upfront with them.... but ive got nothing on paper from liverpool victoria to say my car had wheels..ppp or anything...
pain in the arsss, i just had the alloys resurfaced last week .... 200... and new tires on the day i crashed it... 500 quid....
i hope to find out more tomorrow
thanks again for some words of wisdom... and like i said before,, sorry to those i flew of the keyboard at
paul

johnfelstead

Most insurance policies do allow you to claim for personal injury, but this is normally restricted to loss of sight or limb. They usually have a death benefit attached also if you are killed in the car. My own policy covers me for £5000 if any of the above occur.

Spoon

So, Nicebloke, go for the right leg, that way you can get a hand-control fitted for £350 to operate the throttle and brake and still operate the clutch. You will still be up £4,650.

Then there's the saving on footwear as you could probably do a deal with some ex-display left shoes.

Then there's the registered disabled benefits of no road tax payment, no congestion charges and even special parking bays.

Oh, lets not forget the cost of the saw and a crate of Stella to numb the pain.

nicebloke36

cheers spoon, hmmm five big ones.. for one little leg.......... ????
maybe i could get a set of prodrive stabilizers for my scoob with that ??
paul

Spoon

Your insurance company may well just insist you have them fitted anyway now?


Ok, ok, enough already.


I'm off.

unclebuck

Imprezzas do that.

nicebloke36

unclebuck tell me more,,.... ive had scoobs for some years now and ive never even come close to any losses on the grip level... but then i spose im a bit boring and dont really hammer it....tooo much
paul

Spoon

Impreza's don't though.

Kevin Groat

Some Scooby's do 'just let go', depends on the tyres - my STI v3 gave me a shock cornering in the wet running the OE Bridgestones (Jap spec 02's?). Back end let go pretty quickly - fitted Toyo's and found them to be much more progressive with good feedback.

Kevin.

gareth

Are you saying your 7 year old or 1 year old was in the front passenger seat? Have they added the capability to disable the passenger airbag in the MY03 (can't in my MY01)? Did the airbag deploy (I'm guessing thankfully not...)?

My eldest (9 year old) is always on at me to let her sit in the front but even though she's tall for her age she's still below the stipulated 5 feet.

By the way I had new F1 18s on earlier this year and noticed no loss of grip. On the other hand, had a set of Toyos on the 172 and found out after they'd put in 45psi all round!

[Edited by gareth - 11/23/2003 10:24:04 PM]

talizman

iTrader: (1)

nicebloke,

I don't even know why I am bothering to reply, since you continue to hurl insults at me when all I did was reply to a post that YOU started!

The quote I made....
This is a purely hypothetical example, displaying exactly why insurance companies do not allow you to claim against your own policy.
"If you were able" loosely translates at, "if a person was allowed to claim on their own insurance"

I thought it was pretty clear and I never at any time suggested you would do it.....

It was a HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION. Read it again, and stop calling me names and grow up.

People become so very brave behind a keyboard don't they?

If you think my comments are "fooking out of order" (whatever fooking means ) ..... don't f.ucking ask for them then!!!!

YOU started this thread asking for opinions and when you receive what you requested, you start your insults. Very smart.

As for "holier than thou".... certainly not me.
I just think its ridiculous to suggest claiming against ones own insurance for a "fault" accident when our premiums are high enough already.
I don't want MY insurance going up, just because others want to claim for injuries caused by themselves (until proven otherwise)

Put the dictionary away. You asked for comments. You got them. Sorry for being honest. Maybe I should lie and kid on I am all concerned for you after you sent your car off the road.

You made your bed, lie in it.

And sorry, in my un-educated land, we colloquially refer to kids as "sproggs". Obvioulsy yours are better than that.

Yours sincerely

The w@nker


[Edited by talizman - 11/23/2003 11:20:48 PM]

nicebloke36

cheers w@anker...
i cant even be bothered to reply to you any more
if youd took the time to read subsequent threads youd of seen me apolagise to all that id blasted on here... that included you.. but here you are fooking.... sorry f.ucking moaning on again about your point...
get a life you chod

talizman

iTrader: (1)

Apologise?????

As part of your "apology" you use works like daft c-nt, ******, grandad etc.

Nice apology.

And you want me to get a life? LMFAO

I'm not the one that pranged my car, risking my kids lives, and then came on Scoobynet bumping my gums, looking for someone else to blame cos I'm not man enough to put my hands up and say I made a **** of it!!!!!

You are a joke.

And what is a chod?

IanW

OK guys, this just isn't going anywhere is it?

I am going to close this thread now, as I think what has needed to be said has been said. Any problems/queries then mail me on scoobynet@gc8.co.uk

Ian