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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 10:59 AM
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Charles,What sort of torque did your STi8 produce?

My Similar spec STI8 made 315bhp at John Nobles yesterday,but a standard '8' with PPP only made 285!

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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 11:34 AM
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Charles isn't your STI8 de-catted.

My STI8 PPP with cat made 292 at G-Force yesterday, seriously thinking of de-catting.

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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 12:37 PM
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Think Mark's getting all the charts etc sent to his work email, so we'll likely not see the results today
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 06:25 PM
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Nice day......... good to see a few familiar faces......

And yes for those of you who have seen the car before I DID NOT make it home again wihout the headers going again...... think they were ok on the run - but they were again like a tractor by the time I hit Oxford! - and then I had to get to Bristol..... cant see any lose bolts so I'll assume its something to do with GRUPPE -S headers being total focking sh*t - DO NOT BUY these headers they will make you want to kill your car!!!

Anyway - good day - cant wait to put on a proper Turbo then I might make reasonable numbers on the rollers instead of 419bhp - dont think G Force were too happy with me getting that sort of power on a small turbo

At least I've seen another outfit working - what an odd place to have 8 injectors on a 400bp car just to control the fuel idle...... ah well....... nothing wrong with my idle on 740cc injectors.........strange is all I'll say
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 06:32 PM
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Pictures here Thanks to Cliff for being there all day to take them
Fangoria - sorry to hear about the headers - but at least it gives you an excuse to do more to the car...

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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 06:53 PM
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I think my mod days are now numbered on the Scoob. Not much more I can do to it - except put on a huge turbo - which I may do - but then it wont be as driveable on the road....... maybe a few £k and thats it..... I think I said the same thing £30k ago

I keep thinking about a nice modded Porsche Turbo - but I need to win the lottery first!
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 08:10 PM
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Nice one Steve i know what to aim for now what torque did you make???.... I'm not sure i like your advice about the Gruppe-S headers, you was the one that told me to get them!

Picking my car up next week, so i will have to see what it will do!
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 09:00 PM
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Cheers Mark and the guys at G -Force, a well orgainsed event. Well pleased with the readings too.
Hopefully next time the cafe will open a bit longer
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 09:48 PM
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Si Burt, I think the torque was 305 ft lb at 4500.... My boost is all over the place tho so def having tek 3 now... and then GEMS..

Pro drive do state that the figures they have are easily re creatable in normal driving conditions

Deryck yeah decat and rear resonator removed too... oh and a ITG filter..
Gonna get a cold air feed as temps were too high
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 01:59 AM
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thank you all for being nice to Kate as I had to work and she didn't want to take the car by her self.

Shame that I couldn't make it, but does anybody have a list of all figures?

Thanks again
Robert
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 09:16 AM
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Scott - Torque was a paltry 362lbs I think

Re Gruppe S - maybe you'll have nore luck than me - about a 50/50 success rate. I'll be having them off and machining them

Bizarely enough the power figure at G Force was the same as Powerstation

Maybe I need some Tolulene (sp?)!!!!

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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 09:37 AM
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Quality day out Very nice to meet up with people. Where are these results then
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 09:51 AM
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Morning Guys!

As NaTurbo2000 said - the Local Power supply failed just as we had strapped down and wired up my car (5:30pm)...... so we couldn't even see the sheets and obviously the computers were dead!
- My car is obviously jinxed / worships the Devil.

If you haven't sent me your number plate already - please do so (as this is how G-force saved the computer files).

Will try and get everything started today!

Some good figures produced on the day - and obviously my commiserations to those who didn't get what they wanted - but at least we know the rollers are probably the most accurate in the country. There was a close correlation with those who went to Power Engineering, so theirs on a given day are pretty good too.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 10:08 AM
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Bl00dy hell mark You had an unlucky day then Your car must be truely cursed Time for a 666 number plate
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 10:13 AM
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Paul - but that's why a an 03WRX with just a Prodrive Backbox can produce 260bhp ....

Just wait till I start tweaking it ..... Heh Heh Heh
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 12:02 PM
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Great day even though I was just havin a look about
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 12:17 PM
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Marks car is definatly not cursed the way he overtook me leaving the handycross r/bout sat eve about 6.30pm onto the 404 towards marlow,(jet fighter mode!!!)
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 02:05 PM
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Chris - oh yeah, forgot about that!
Well I thought I'm going to get blown into the weeds - so I might as well give it the full 259bhp .....
- Had just been in convoy with V5Man and Naturbo2000 too.

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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 02:14 PM
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VELRYBA:- Interesting engine conversion. I like it. here's me thinking that its some standard uk turbo and Low & behold 304BHP

Very sweet.

I had a chat with Kate and her mate 4 quite a while. Ur lucky that u have a woman that likes cars. Mine rams her fist down my throat as soon as i even mention the word car.

Say a big hello to them both from me.

Mark- Great organised day even though I'm a Honda driver. Spot-on.

Cheers,

Marc
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 02:27 PM
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Marc

Was that you in the 'teg?
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 02:41 PM
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Marc - Saw the car and was dying to come over and have a chat (I used to have a CTR) - but something cropped up everytime I wondered over!
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 03:25 PM
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Marc> thank you for the compliment, yes I cannot complain and I would past the regards
I know the car looks VERY slow and underpowered but mind you it's still fairly standard and it has a long way to go as the engine had only standard mapping done so we can drive it and now the "tweaking" will be done

MadMark> you have mail

ALL> can somebody tell me what are those numbers at the bottom of the sheet (IT, RT, RH etc.)?

Thanks
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 04:16 PM
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more pics just posted in gallery topic thread thingy

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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 05:54 PM
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At a guess from the figures

RT, room temp
IT, inltet temp (I think I saw a sensor being put on my cone filter)
RH, Relative humidity

As for the rest I haven't a clue
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 06:03 PM
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They def. measure inlet temp as well as air/fuel ratio - but the air fuel is done on a seperate graph

Figures look reasonable for IT and RT (it was cold!)

I guess one of the figures is engine revs/wheel revs ratio, cos they set that up on a per car basis
+ guess they ought to state what they measure transmission losses as (cos they measure power at wheels and scale up)

Just guesses and don't know which is what
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 06:16 PM
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Steve/Fangoria:
Scott - Torque was a paltry 362lbs I think
You got 419 bhp?. Yes? Were you joking when you said torque was paltry? Pretty good result I would have thought.
Are you on one of Andy f's turbos? I would think a lot of people would like these results for not a lot of outlay, relatively speaking, for a turbo.
You made reference to lag or poor spool or tractability from a bigger turbo but that does not need to be the case. Come for a drive in my STi Wagon and find out for yourself. I have had a car here for the last week for a re-map and some other work. It has an MD 304. Nothing below 3000rpm in 5th. 1bar at 3.4 and starting to runout of puff shortly after 5.5k. ie a narrow powerband. The bigger Ion Turbo on the STi wagon is far more tractable with a powerband more than twice the width.
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 06:25 PM
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Anyway - good day - cant wait to put on a proper Turbo then I might make reasonable numbers on the rollers instead of 419bhp
Interested to know what you would consider to be a proper turbo as i am about to fit something to the WRX to replace the TD04???

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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 06:26 PM
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Can tell you what "shootout mode means:"

Shootout mode was introduced by the Dyno Dynamics people to lower discrepencies between dynos. It prevents the operator entering his/her own constants. So 100kW on my dyno should be 100kW on yours
looking on dyno dynamics site, I think RP is Air Pressure
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 06:35 PM
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Andy - so RP = Relative Pressure? Sounds reasonable to me!
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