Update on my project!
23 November 2003, 04:15 PM
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Yes he does run a 50 shot on launch. It's around 500 bhp otherwise.
Those times were set on std Toyos, nothing sticky !
Come on Rannoch, there are only 2 UK scoobs in the mid 11's
You could keep it that way and leapfrog us both into the 10's 
Andy
ps I think Christian had a dream that he ran a 9 but not sure if that counts
Those times were set on std Toyos, nothing sticky !
Come on Rannoch, there are only 2 UK scoobs in the mid 11's
You could keep it that way and leapfrog us both into the 10's Andy
ps I think Christian had a dream that he ran a 9 but not sure if that counts
23 November 2003, 04:51 PM
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Not much that can touch that at the moment
Just when you thought it was safe to turn down the boost
585bhp from Harveys open deck, std heads and cams 2.0 scoob 
http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...hreadid=274550
[Edited by Andy.F - 11/23/2003 5:38:11 PM]
23 November 2003, 05:25 PM
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Put it this way, I will be very interested to see what results Trout's car would get at well lane. And what would happen if he run 1.8 bar boost to 7000rpm.
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24 November 2003, 01:24 AM
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I agree with Andy
Comparing Harvey, and Trouts graphs, I'd say that Trout has an advantage, but experience has shown me that graphs/power figures can be very deceptive !
Think we'll have to try some race fuel, and see what we get
Mark.
Comparing Harvey, and Trouts graphs, I'd say that Trout has an advantage, but experience has shown me that graphs/power figures can be very deceptive !
Think we'll have to try some race fuel, and see what we get
Mark.
24 November 2003, 11:25 PM
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Think we'll have to try some race fuel, and see what we get
would this be yet more of your graphs from an engine dyno
, or will one of your cars actually make an event and produce the goods in public
?
[Edited by T-uk - 11/24/2003 11:26:20 PM]
would this be yet more of your graphs from an engine dyno
, or will one of your cars actually make an event and produce the goods in public? [Edited by T-uk - 11/24/2003 11:26:20 PM]
24 November 2003, 11:58 PM
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John,
No, don't need to go back on the dyno.
Are you suggesting that unless a car is run in "public", the figures aren't legitimate ?
If Trout wants to post his figures, he's entitled to, just like anyone else, and if he wants to run it in public, that's up to him, but I suspect he has more faith in the engine dyno, than a bunch of dodgy RR figures
I have no idea how quick his car will actually be, but I know which of the recently run cars I'd rather be driving
The engine should be going back in this week, then it will take about another week to sort out the rest of the install.
Mark.
No, don't need to go back on the dyno.
Are you suggesting that unless a car is run in "public", the figures aren't legitimate ?
If Trout wants to post his figures, he's entitled to, just like anyone else, and if he wants to run it in public, that's up to him, but I suspect he has more faith in the engine dyno, than a bunch of dodgy RR figures
I have no idea how quick his car will actually be, but I know which of the recently run cars I'd rather be driving
The engine should be going back in this week, then it will take about another week to sort out the rest of the install.
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25 November 2003, 12:30 AM
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Are you suggesting that unless a car is run in "public", the figures aren't legitimate ?
just carries a bit more weight if it could make an event
I suspect he has more faith in the engine dyno, than a bunch of dodgy RR figures
well I suppose it is the same r/r figures you use for selling turbos ,still to see an MD304 do 350bhp at star or PS
but I know which of the recently run cars I'd rather be driving
yes , john banks subaru block,piston and rod set-up not only sounds like a scoob but will hopefully be enough to test the gearkit for you
just carries a bit more weight if it could make an event
I suspect he has more faith in the engine dyno, than a bunch of dodgy RR figures
well I suppose it is the same r/r figures you use for selling turbos
,still to see an MD304 do 350bhp at star or PSbut I know which of the recently run cars I'd rather be driving
yes , john banks subaru block,piston and rod set-up not only sounds like a scoob but will hopefully be enough to test the gearkit for you
25 November 2003, 01:44 AM
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John,
With who, you ? LMFAO......
Since you brought up the MD304,
Steven Darley 12.16 1/4 Scooby shootout !
Tim Whiteside 12.30 1/4 " "
Both running circa 1.3bar on stock internal UK cars.
Only 3 cars have done quicker times so far, Andy, Harvey, and the Calder car. Do Tim, and Steven care what BHP a RR gives them, I doubt it.
I just love people who have achieved SFA themselves, live off the backs of others, have nothing productive to offer, but feel qualified to put down other peoples efforts
Thanks for your input,
Mark.
just carries a bit more weight if it could make an event
Since you brought up the MD304,
Steven Darley 12.16 1/4 Scooby shootout !
Tim Whiteside 12.30 1/4 " "
Both running circa 1.3bar on stock internal UK cars.
Only 3 cars have done quicker times so far, Andy, Harvey, and the Calder car. Do Tim, and Steven care what BHP a RR gives them, I doubt it.
I just love people who have achieved SFA themselves, live off the backs of others, have nothing productive to offer, but feel qualified to put down other peoples efforts
Thanks for your input,
Mark.
25 November 2003, 09:28 AM
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I just love people who have achieved SFA themselves, live off the backs of others,
pot ,kettle , black Mr antiques dealer ,your car really shows us the future. remind me how many miles your fancy engine lasted , was it more or less miles than the three failed you supplied john banks?[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] but hey, when it dont work you can always just use the "I'm just a middle-man card"
have nothing productive to offer, but feel qualified to put down other peoples efforts
not other peoples efforts , just yours given the amount of hours I have wasted fitting things you have supplied which just dont work. stevens 1/4 results are excellent now that all the supporting mods are done , hopefully we will see his car running 1.8bar to the redline like you told us this turbo could run when jb bought one and I was considering a turbo swap. good to see it's now sold as a 1.3 bar turbo though after all the hours jb and alang put into trying to get more out of them(not just with jb's own car I should add). now if it could have run the boost and made about 400bhp at star then the lag and spool , which is IMO worse than andyf's 400+bhp proven 20g ,could have be worthwhile but given that it is a 350bhp turbo what is the point of the 400+bhp lag
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Thanks for your input,
I just think people should know that there is a good chance they will end up as your guinea pig before they buy into the sales speech , which is your strongest point IMO, I think you could probably sell sand to the Arabs.
T-UK ..... what type of power is you engine making, and what is your best 1/4 mile time ?????
my car runs standard injectors and inlet pipes. I have never done a 1/4 with it as that is not why I bought a scoob. at TOTB john banks did one and his first ever 1/4 and got 13.7 iirc but did not want to risk anymore , due to a slipping clutch. I think the terminals where good for that lane though and similar to steven's, I was quite happy given that we had dropped boost to help the clutch.
it is just my opinion that if a supplier cannot get his own car running right ,year after year , what qualifies him to sell unproven products to customers? developing is one thing but when they are saying this is a working/proven set-up and it clearly is not. do you not think the community should know, or do you think all the failed turbos alang has fitted and jb's engines should be swept under the carpet?
perhaps when a few of your friends have had major let-downs with something you will understand.
pot ,kettle , black Mr antiques dealer
,your car really shows us the future. remind me how many miles your fancy engine lasted , was it more or less miles than the three failed you supplied john banks?[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] but hey, when it dont work you can always just use the "I'm just a middle-man card" have nothing productive to offer, but feel qualified to put down other peoples efforts
not other peoples efforts , just yours given the amount of hours I have wasted fitting things you have supplied which just dont work. stevens 1/4 results are excellent now that all the supporting mods are done , hopefully we will see his car running 1.8bar to the redline like you told us this turbo could run when jb bought one and I was considering a turbo swap. good to see it's now sold as a 1.3 bar turbo though after all the hours jb and alang put into trying to get more out of them(not just with jb's own car I should add). now if it could have run the boost and made about 400bhp at star then the lag and spool , which is IMO worse than andyf's 400+bhp proven 20g ,could have be worthwhile but given that it is a 350bhp turbo what is the point of the 400+bhp lag
.Thanks for your input,
I just think people should know that there is a good chance they will end up as your guinea pig before they buy into the sales speech , which is your strongest point IMO, I think you could probably sell sand to the Arabs.
T-UK ..... what type of power is you engine making, and what is your best 1/4 mile time ?????
my car runs standard injectors and inlet pipes. I have never done a 1/4 with it as that is not why I bought a scoob. at TOTB john banks did one and his first ever 1/4 and got 13.7 iirc but did not want to risk anymore , due to a slipping clutch. I think the terminals where good for that lane though and similar to steven's, I was quite happy given that we had dropped boost to help the clutch.
it is just my opinion that if a supplier cannot get his own car running right ,year after year , what qualifies him to sell unproven products to customers? developing is one thing but when they are saying this is a working/proven set-up and it clearly is not. do you not think the community should know, or do you think all the failed turbos alang has fitted and jb's engines should be swept under the carpet?
perhaps when a few of your friends have had major let-downs with something you will understand.
25 November 2003, 10:35 AM
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Wasn't this once an update about Trout's car?
Congratulations mate, I have to see this . Kudos to all involved - I know that you had a fair few hurdles and I'm chuffed for you that it's now there 
Congratulations mate, I have to see this
. Kudos to all involved - I know that you had a fair few hurdles and I'm chuffed for you that it's now there
25 November 2003, 11:08 AM
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Mark sold me a garrett turbo, a wastegate, a fuel pressure regulator, an inlet trumpet, 8 cosworth injectors, a warlboro fuel pump, two bosch fuel pumps with filters, middle manned the gas flowed my heads, and custom double springing of my custom billet valves and supplied my rods.
All the above helped my car achieve the highest torque figure I have seen on an impreza in this country (>500lbft from 3300 to 6500 and over 560 at peak). The engine then failed due to one of the parts he did not supply - the block!
On dissassembly, the engine internals he supplied appear to be as new and unaffected.
Its a shame about JB and the unfortunate occurences with his turbos and engne, but don't paint mark out to be dishonest because he isn't. he certainly isn't some hard core business man out to line his pockets, don't you think if he was, with his sales talent that you mention, he might choose a more profitable outlet for his talents.
Before you simply go on about his continued failures, why not return to the subject of this thread, or do you resent a lateral performance engine success?
This bitterness was supposed to have been left behind ages ago, can we please try to remember that we are all after a common goal.
There are sides to this raging pro/anti lateral performance war that has gone on, with many people in both camps. Since it isn't one against everyone else, doesn't it suggest that perhaps both sides arent seeing the whole picture.
Surely you can't believe that a business is surviving purely on sales to friends, because that isn't the case. There are many many satisfied customers and they can't all be wrong/guinea pigs/too stupid to know better. You have to give credit where credit is due. Trouts engine figures deserve credit, both for david and for lateral performance, as do harvey's recent well lane figures.
That is all there should be to it.
All the above helped my car achieve the highest torque figure I have seen on an impreza in this country (>500lbft from 3300 to 6500 and over 560 at peak). The engine then failed due to one of the parts he did not supply - the block!
On dissassembly, the engine internals he supplied appear to be as new and unaffected.
Its a shame about JB and the unfortunate occurences with his turbos and engne, but don't paint mark out to be dishonest because he isn't. he certainly isn't some hard core business man out to line his pockets, don't you think if he was, with his sales talent that you mention, he might choose a more profitable outlet for his talents.
Before you simply go on about his continued failures, why not return to the subject of this thread, or do you resent a lateral performance engine success?
This bitterness was supposed to have been left behind ages ago, can we please try to remember that we are all after a common goal.
There are sides to this raging pro/anti lateral performance war that has gone on, with many people in both camps. Since it isn't one against everyone else, doesn't it suggest that perhaps both sides arent seeing the whole picture.
Surely you can't believe that a business is surviving purely on sales to friends, because that isn't the case. There are many many satisfied customers and they can't all be wrong/guinea pigs/too stupid to know better. You have to give credit where credit is due. Trouts engine figures deserve credit, both for david and for lateral performance, as do harvey's recent well lane figures.
That is all there should be to it.
25 November 2003, 11:13 AM
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Oooooh its all off again! Round 235 - ding ding!
T-Uk, I have never seen R19KET banging on about his car - shoving his power figures down your throat, its HIS car not his companies at the end of the day.
All I can see is it must REALLY grate as you cant seem to drop it- is it really that important to know what his car does? surely you should worry about making yours go a bit faster rather than spending all your time 'trolling'
The whole point is everyone wants to know what he achieved - he doesnt want to tell everyone.. Get over it!
I have never had a problem with Mark - before he started his own company he helped me out at great time expense for himself, supplied bits when he said he would & was by far & away the best on price. I still have no problems with him - there is plenty of others who would tune my car, but I chose Mark. Until I have a reason not to - I will continue to, however if (unlikly from my view) this did happen I wouldn't feel the need to act like a 5 year old putting down all his achievements
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T-Uk, I have never seen R19KET banging on about his car - shoving his power figures down your throat, its HIS car not his companies at the end of the day.
All I can see is it must REALLY grate as you cant seem to drop it- is it really that important to know what his car does? surely you should worry about making yours go a bit faster rather than spending all your time 'trolling'
The whole point is everyone wants to know what he achieved - he doesnt want to tell everyone.. Get over it!
I have never had a problem with Mark - before he started his own company he helped me out at great time expense for himself, supplied bits when he said he would & was by far & away the best on price. I still have no problems with him - there is plenty of others who would tune my car, but I chose Mark. Until I have a reason not to - I will continue to, however if (unlikly from my view) this did happen I wouldn't feel the need to act like a 5 year old putting down all his achievements
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25 November 2003, 11:26 AM
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John,
Good, now that you have got that off your chest, maybe we can stick to Trout's results.
Mark.
Good, now that you have got that off your chest, maybe we can stick to Trout's results.
Mark.
25 November 2003, 12:27 PM
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Trout, Top results mate!!!
With your launches the drivetrain should be ok
Was looking at your car last week, Hope you dont mind that i scribed 'tweenierob was ere' on it
Seriously though, this is going to be a serious monster car!!
Deffo worth the wait!!
Rob
With your launches the drivetrain should be ok
Was looking at your car last week, Hope you dont mind that i scribed 'tweenierob was ere' on it
Seriously though, this is going to be a serious monster car!!
Deffo worth the wait!!
Rob
25 November 2003, 01:58 PM
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David (Trout), great results mate, should be good when it gets into the car but make the most of it before I get mine finished
On the other hot topic, I can only add that Mark's aftersales service is "second to none" if something isn't right he does bend over backwards to rectify the situation in the quickest possible time
Conrad
On the other hot topic, I can only add that Mark's aftersales service is "second to none" if something isn't right he does bend over backwards to rectify the situation in the quickest possible time
Conrad
25 November 2003, 03:32 PM
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Yikes! good results there Trout! very very impressive.
Good to see the thread back on track. Can we please stop this petty behaviour, it's like being back in the school playground playing a game of "my Dad's car is faster than yours" Grow up people!
Good to see the thread back on track. Can we please stop this petty behaviour, it's like being back in the school playground playing a game of "my Dad's car is faster than yours" Grow up people!
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It would be interesting to see what Trout's car makes at well lane, star and ps... and to see what harvey's will currently make at star and ps. IIRC, star and ps tend to yield much more conservative figures than some rrs on turbo cars... It would be interesting to compare Trout's engine dyno figures with the figures these rolling roads report.
IIRC, star and ps tend to yield much more conservative figures than some rrs on turbo cars... It would be interesting to compare Trout's engine dyno figures with the figures these rolling roads report.
26 November 2003, 02:56 PM
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I would say though that star and PE seem good for more realistic turbo spool up. Well lane is very poor in this respect, just compate Harvey's PE and WL results of similar spec.
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26 November 2003, 03:27 PM
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I think G Force would be the place to go for a realistic power curve taking account of engine/turbo acceleration rates. G Force have a very quick run time in the region of 10 seconds for a 4th gear run from 2k-7k ie 500rpm/second. This will differentiate between the laggy and quick spooling cars better than Star for example.
I don't know of any car that takes as long 30 seconds for even a 4th gear 2-7k haul on the road (length of Star RR run)
Dynos or rollin roads still do not capture that all important throttle response after a gearchange which is critical to 1/4 mile racing, or the trailing throttle to wot reaction which you need for quick 'b' road progress.
This is one area that the AP22 accelerometer scores, you can quantify that response and compare runs through the gears before and after mods.
Andy
John F - If you're reading, do you know the run time at prosport ?
I don't know of any car that takes as long 30 seconds for even a 4th gear 2-7k haul on the road (length of Star RR run)
Dynos or rollin roads still do not capture that all important throttle response after a gearchange which is critical to 1/4 mile racing, or the trailing throttle to wot reaction which you need for quick 'b' road progress.
This is one area that the AP22 accelerometer scores, you can quantify that response and compare runs through the gears before and after mods.
Andy
John F - If you're reading, do you know the run time at prosport ?