LG John

I do have a life outside the gym If I go along and so a pyramid chest press, tri pull downs, fly, shoulder press, inclined chest, etc then I'll still get a good workout just not as brilliant as if I stripped the weight back down in the same way I built them up.

milo

personally i dont bother with stripping the weight back down anyway... unless you're doing drop-sets for a shock workout occasionally, id rather lift heavy, then eat, rest and eat some more!

super_si

The only muscle's the Pyramid would work on is Legs, shoulders, back, Sorry its not ment for the chest or tri's bi's. thats way way way way over training.

Si

TelBoy

Bollox bollox bollox.

super_si

[gets ready to open a can whoop ****]

to who

[/gets ready to open a can whoop ****]

LG John

I thought you COULD NOT overtrain in any given session. In otherwords you could utterly destroy your muscles and not be able to lift your own hand but you'd be fine provided you eat and rest correctly?

Could bodybuilding be the sport with the most conflicting advice ever???? Every site I've been on seems to contradict the last. I think I'll strip it back to basics. Lift weights - lots off, eat - lots off, rest - lots off: From there nature will do it stuff

TurboKitty

Ah, I thought you'd started the weekend early this week.

TelBoy

You're right Kenny, at the end of the day it's what works for you. I can only tell you what brought *me* competitive success, but it isn't necessarily applicable to everyone. Give all options a try, and see which ones you feel you benefit most from. After all, if you're making progress, you'll keep doing it, and after all's said and done that is the key!

super_si

TK - I dont drink 2 years now, trainings more important if im drinking then im not eating

Saxo boy - Im speaking from the strength perspective here though.
This is what your friend whos a BB surgested to a mate.
Monday - Back/Biceps :
Deads 3 x 6-10
Barbell Rows 3 x 6-10
Barbell Curls 3 x 6-10
Hammer Curls 3 x 6-10
Curls 3 x 6-10

Tuesday - Chest/Triceps :
Flat Bench 3 x 6-10
Incline Dumbbell Press 3 x 6-10
Flat Flyes 3 x 6-10
Close-grip bench 3 x 6-10

Thursday - Shoulders/Traps :
Military press 3 x 6-10
Standing Lat Raises 3 x 6-10
Upright Rows 3 x 6-10
Dumbbell Shrugs 3 x 6-10

Friday - Quads/Hams/Calves :
Barbell Squat 3 x 6-10
Leg Curls 3 x 10
Hamstring Curls 3 x 6-10
Calve Raise 3 x 10

Maybe try that, i just his judgement as hes a big ****er!

Si


[Edited by super_si - 9/5/2003 4:17:48 PM]

CC

Saxo Boy, dont get too bogged down and worried about the latest scientific literature and advice on muscle building and exercise...

Just get in there, do a good solid hour, and get out! Eat well, rest well...and be patient!

I had a mate who used to spend hours reading stuff on bodybuilding etc, he could spout off allsorts of theories on technique, recuperation etc. They way he'd preach you'd think he was a guru...he was built like a stick, all 10 stone of him . If he spent as much time in the gym as he did reading up he'd have done well! Of course there's nothing wrong in knowing your stuff but dont get too bogged down, especially when you're at beginner/intermediate level.

For what it's worth, I've read stuff that suggests that muscle fibres can actually be created when intense muscular contraction occurs between the two sliding filaments of a muscle fibre...I think the two filaments are called actin and myosin which form a 'bridge' when muscle contracts...that's from memory (A level biology ) so i could be wrong but it seems interesting...

SPLITTER

right my turn
well
sets of 4 -powerlifters for strength
6-8s size
8s and above for definition

if u wanna get big u gotta lift heavy


if u wanna get big 3 grams of protien per lb of body weight per day


taken into syatem every 3 hours max[it takes body 2 hours to digest]


forced reps on every set


proper warm ups


dont overtrain [i.e each bodypart once a week]
or when it stops aching


and think big

i put on a stone in a year doing this routine with a bloody big guy as a spotting partner.[not fat either]

sorry if loads of u have already said all this ,just thought idput my 2 peneth in
if anyones interested i can give more of my secrets away
lol

Fuzz

Me Ma just cooked me, egg and chips with a battered chicken breast thingy.... [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Have I just caused World war 3 by refusing to eat it.
Was it worth taking a stand


Still trying to drum it in that I want more healthy grub from now on.....

Andy
<waits for the "cook it yourself, you lazy git!" comments >

Fuzz

What if you want size AND definition Splitter.

Andy

super_si

my mates surgested

2 tins tuna , 1/2 cucumber 2, tomatoes + salad cream. Trying tomorrow

Im also doing loads chicken breats cooking them, then freezing. Then just defrost in the microwave and eat at leisure

Si

fundimental

not sure who it was but thanks for the link to affordable supplemnets, i'd been doing a search last week but couldn't find a good site, cheers bud.

LG John

Split with your secrets then splitter

SPLITTER

replying to fuzz
if u want size and definition u still gotta lift as heavy as poss
but combine it with a fair bit of cv to shed the body fat
also what we ususally do is train heavy for 3 weeks of the month then train high reps for the last week
but i mean really high like sets of 20 till ur muscles are on fire and ur begging to get out of the gym
and to super si
yeah sounds good m8tee but cut the salad cream:]
too fatty
try natural yoghurt with pepper and vinigar
not quite the same but better than dry tuna
or if u like the taste try tuna and horsradish
not much fat in it.

SPLITTER

u gotta reme,mber heavy weights ripps the muscles deep below the skin
but light weights and high reps ripps the surface muscles ,hence definition

super_si

No offense intended

But for the 1000000th time im not a body builder [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

rant over

jonny gav

iTrader: (1)

LOL at si glad your training is going well mate....you must have got a belt by now

this is one of the best threads on training i have seen on scoobynet.

milo has a wealth of good knowledge, i don't think he has said a single thing that i don't agree with, keep up the good work

SPLITTER

lol
im confused now
ive just read all through this thread
noone ever mentiones si being a bodybuilder
so what are you then m8 ?
a powerlifter?
cos all u talk about in ur earlier posts is building muscle:]
lol

Tiggs

si is a strong man...like at the circus, trucks and big stones and stuff.

T

Fuzz

I thought he was a clown!

Andy

super_si

Lmao

future strongman 1st show should be next year i hope.

Jonny - yeah got a powerlifting belt but i rarly use it actually need to get stronger abs and back without.

Hows the treatment going?

Si

Warwick-hunt

no offence si but i'm sure in one of the other threads you stated your squat at 150kg? (under 200kg) anyway, thats not a lot for a strength contest,
sorry if i.m wrong, i've only seen one contest live but their weights were quite a bit more

jonny gav

iTrader: (1)

Hi si, i am back to work now but still no training yet

its going to be another 6 months or so!