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08 August 2003, 09:30 AM
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I don't hear complaints about excessive alcohol comsumption! I guess it's more exceptable than smoking, as you have a 'choice'
Have you seen someone will liver failure??
Smoking, rarely causes people to be sick, people to be rushed to hospital, fights in pubs/bars/clubs, people 'forgetting' what they did, police to come out in force on a night....... and more importantly craving kebabs!!!
Have you seen someone will liver failure??
Smoking, rarely causes people to be sick, people to be rushed to hospital, fights in pubs/bars/clubs, people 'forgetting' what they did, police to come out in force on a night....... and more importantly craving kebabs!!!
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08 August 2003, 09:35 AM
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Excuse me?!!! Thats bullsheeat!
'One for the road' sound familiar? We have all succumbed to the peer pressure of that.
Never understood why being a 'lightweight' was such an issue - so what! It costs me a fiver to get pissed not a tenner!
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'One for the road' sound familiar? We have all succumbed to the peer pressure of that.
Never understood why being a 'lightweight' was such an issue - so what! It costs me a fiver to get pissed not a tenner!
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08 August 2003, 09:35 AM
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Agree totally Andy, but that's another thread i guess.
The difference between smoking and drinking is that non-drinkers aren't directly affected by other people's drinking, unless you factor in the after-effects you mentioned.
The difference between smoking and drinking is that non-drinkers aren't directly affected by other people's drinking, unless you factor in the after-effects you mentioned.
08 August 2003, 09:38 AM
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I disagree TelBoy. When I am walking back from the cinema, I am directly confronted by noisy smelly louts, the stench of sick on the ground, the pissing in the alleyways - all direct effects of alcohol!
Alcohol is a bigger problem than tobacco.
You sponging alcys deserve all the cirrhosis (sp?) you get.
Damian
Alcohol is a bigger problem than tobacco.
You sponging alcys deserve all the cirrhosis (sp?) you get.
Damian
08 August 2003, 09:51 AM
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So you don't disagree with me at all then, given that i put the "unless" caveat in my above post.
And yes, in the same way as tobacco does, alcohol has a lot to answer for too.
Don't get me started on the waste of NHS resources used to treat alcohol abuse...
And yes, in the same way as tobacco does, alcohol has a lot to answer for too.
Don't get me started on the waste of NHS resources used to treat alcohol abuse...
08 August 2003, 10:05 AM
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Andy - I know you didn't blow smoke in my face. And I didn't say anything about you smoking as it was a party and therefore if you wanted to smoke, no problem.
The comment really wasn't directed at anyone specific.
08 August 2003, 10:34 AM
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Damian, the fact is you're a smoker and from your very first post it's obvious you are not willing to listen and accept a reasonable argument. You're blinded by your addiction to Nicotine!
So you say smokers and non-smokers have equal rights yet you wish to inflict your drug habit onto other people, therefore removing their right to be non-smokers 
You can't see this, hence my comment. It was there to highlight how most non-smokers see addicts like yourself 
I am fed up having someone wave their hands about if they dont like the smoke - simple choice peeps - stand elsewhere. I have just as much right to smoke as you do to smoke free
You can't see this, hence my comment. It was there to highlight how most non-smokers see addicts like yourself
08 August 2003, 11:00 AM
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DBW - do you think all non-smokers should adopt the "it's a party, therefore not a problem" stance?
You know I'm a live and let live type - people can adopt whatever stance they like, it's really not my place to tell them what they should think.
08 August 2003, 12:39 PM
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I was waiting for this to move on to drinking It's inevitable. And yes drinking has the same anti-social problems.
I drink, but I don't throw up, try to sing, p1ss in the streets, or square up to anyone who looks at me. etc. (well at least.. I DON'T remember doing any of that at least). But it is a problem that along with smoking needs to be addressed and controlled when in public places.
I (gets flame suit on) would'nt mind if drinking, along with smoking was totally banned. I'd get over it. But I'd also like all the un-healthy soft drinks to banned at the same time, so I would'nt be forced to drink instant tooth dissolver! Now we got in the situation of where does it end? What is good for us (soft drinks are'nt)? And is it really up to the "Nanny" state to dictate this to us?
The amount of crap we can legally buy that will, through over-consumption would affect our health is endless. It's not just **** and beer. Now would we ever see McDonalds being banned? So to argue a point....Junk food is bad, so is smoking, so why should one be banned and not the other (on health grounds). It's a bit of an extreme point but I hope you can see where I'm comming from.
[Edited by ALi-B - 8/8/2003 12:42:08 PM]
It's inevitable. And yes drinking has the same anti-social problems. I drink, but I don't throw up, try to sing, p1ss in the streets, or square up to anyone who looks at me. etc. (well at least.. I DON'T remember doing any of that at least
). But it is a problem that along with smoking needs to be addressed and controlled when in public places. I (gets flame suit on) would'nt mind if drinking, along with smoking was totally banned. I'd get over it. But I'd also like all the un-healthy soft drinks to banned at the same time, so I would'nt be forced to drink instant tooth dissolver! Now we got in the situation of where does it end? What is good for us (soft drinks are'nt)? And is it really up to the "Nanny" state to dictate this to us?
The amount of crap we can legally buy that will, through over-consumption would affect our health is endless. It's not just **** and beer. Now would we ever see McDonalds being banned? So to argue a point....Junk food is bad, so is smoking, so why should one be banned and not the other (on health grounds). It's a bit of an extreme point but I hope you can see where I'm comming from.
[Edited by ALi-B - 8/8/2003 12:42:08 PM]
08 August 2003, 01:18 PM
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You're very welcome to smoke/drink in your homes, your offices, your cars, frankly wherever you want.
Just don't let it affect me.
Lawyers' paradise; define "affect"
Just don't let it affect me.
Lawyers' paradise; define "affect"
08 August 2003, 10:51 PM
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I think the EU will ban smoking in public places soon enough. How that will effect the great British pub culture I dont know.!!!
The opposite happened in the US, pub trade declined by around 15%. Not sure what percentage of people smoke in the US. UK is reckoned to be 38% smokers so perhaps the other 62% would go to pubs more if they are smoke free.
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08 August 2003, 11:02 PM
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LOL, a nine word post and three of them spelt incorrectly Dazza012!!
The very definition of "peanut gallery"!
Got anything worthwhile to contribute??
The very definition of "peanut gallery"!
Got anything worthwhile to contribute??
09 August 2003, 01:11 AM
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Oh i do ******* apologise, yes i spelt that wrong aswell, WTF does it matter if i spelt it wrong or not, already added my bit, try reading the start of the thread tw@t, O look another spelling mistake, sorry im sure, better check every ******* thread on SN then, cos ur gonna find sh*t loads of spelling mistakes from loads of people.
09 August 2003, 01:45 AM
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UK is reckoned to be 38% smokers so perhaps the other 62% would go to pubs more if they are smoke free
Conversely, I would reckon there may be a significant proportion of non-smokers who don't drink either (religious beliefs, health freaks etc etc)
With this in mind, isn't it more likely that the people who frequent watering holes are split more along the lines of 50/50 smokers/non-smokers ?
If the above is (roughly) correct, which would be the greater loss in custom ?
Even if half of the non-smokers objected vehemently to smoking and didn't go to pubs, it's a smaller loss than alienating almost all of the smokers.
I'm a smoker btw. I have no problems with restaurants etc being non-smoking. I wouldn't even mind if some pubs took the choice of becoming smoke free to give non-smokers the choice of where to go.
You shouldn't worry about the health effects of passive smoking anyway. Latest reports show that previous figures were fudged under pressure from anti-smoking campaigners. (BMJ report)
Personally, I'm more worried about pesticides on/in various crops, steroids and antibiotics in meat products, TB epidemics, Measles outbreaks, radiation from mobile phone masts/handsets, being nuked by some crazy b'stard from the Far East who does have WMD and finally...any Near Earth Object that is too big to burn up in our atmosphere
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