Why do I want an elise?
10 July 2003, 10:48 AM
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One of these Scoob vs Elise threads crops up every now and again...
I've had an Elise for five years, and a Scoob for three. Both standard cars. Performance-wise, I figured them both at about 5.6 to 5.9 0-60, so pretty much identical on public roads. Granted a standard Elise runs out of puff above 100, but even on track there are relatively few places that matters too much.
If I could only have one car, I'd have the Scoob. Though I'd probably have an Evo now (
). Must admit I like the ability of the Scoob to do 0-60 in under six seconds while taking 10 bags of garden rubbish to the dump (had a 5 door)!
I've had an Elise for five years, and a Scoob for three. Both standard cars. Performance-wise, I figured them both at about 5.6 to 5.9 0-60, so pretty much identical on public roads. Granted a standard Elise runs out of puff above 100, but even on track there are relatively few places that matters too much.
If I could only have one car, I'd have the Scoob. Though I'd probably have an Evo now (
). Must admit I like the ability of the Scoob to do 0-60 in under six seconds while taking 10 bags of garden rubbish to the dump (had a 5 door)!
10 July 2003, 10:52 AM
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But that would be the wrong reason t have a car.
I have a Lotus, albeit one with a bit more power than the normal Elise, I have the Exige.
And I'm probably one of the few Elisers that doesn't care about open top driving. I have never fancied it and really don't understand the joys. But that is a matter of taste, I love my roof.
Now, to the important part.
Yes, the normal Eise is underpowered.
And yes, there are several versions that have more power.
But it's LIGHT. It's little car that will tech you how to drive and get the most out of the car, not because you have to, but because you are having a blast doing so.
I grew on the other side of the pond, where HP is all, my first car was a big Chevrolet Impala (6L engine), then a Chrysler Barracuda (5.9L), then a Chrysler Charger (7L), modified them all. I thought I was quick until I realized I was just spinning my tyres and going fast on the straights.
I used to race bikes and won a championship in Mexico on the Open class. The bike did 190MPH and 0-60 in about 2.5 sec. If I was going to buy another bike it would be a 600. Why? agile, and enough power to keep your skills honed while having fun.
I always wanted a small, light car. And I also like the Scooby (I hope one day to get one). But after having driven the Exige and having seen how it compares on the track AND on the roads to the Scoobys, EVOs, Nobles, TVRs, I know I will keep it forever. It's the car I always wanted. And in the track, only a few cars go faster than the Exige, and these are VERY modified cars with very skilled drivers as well.
BTW, my car doesn't leak, has only broken a fan belt in 14000 miles, nothing is falling apart and is VERY comfy. Ah, I'm 6'2" and built.
No, it doesn't carry a lot of luggage. Yes, it's noisy (but so are many Scoobys I have seen around). It's 0-60 in 4.7 secs and top speed of 140MPH (tested), ah, and it gives me 32-35 MPG.
It seems to me that considering the acceleration rush out of a roundabout or green light the main thing, is a bit naive. I used to enjoy that a long time ago. Now I enjoy the art of turning. It's my impression that anybody can drive fast in the straights. But that's on my experience.
But some Scooby drivers know this. My advise to those who don't (like Mooseracer) is to go and get a pax ride at the next track outing and see if you like it.
Some people do.
Enjoy,
Uldis
I have a Lotus, albeit one with a bit more power than the normal Elise, I have the Exige.
And I'm probably one of the few Elisers that doesn't care about open top driving. I have never fancied it and really don't understand the joys. But that is a matter of taste, I love my roof.
Now, to the important part.
Yes, the normal Eise is underpowered.
And yes, there are several versions that have more power.
But it's LIGHT. It's little car that will tech you how to drive and get the most out of the car, not because you have to, but because you are having a blast doing so.
I grew on the other side of the pond, where HP is all, my first car was a big Chevrolet Impala (6L engine), then a Chrysler Barracuda (5.9L), then a Chrysler Charger (7L), modified them all. I thought I was quick until I realized I was just spinning my tyres and going fast on the straights.
I used to race bikes and won a championship in Mexico on the Open class. The bike did 190MPH and 0-60 in about 2.5 sec. If I was going to buy another bike it would be a 600. Why? agile, and enough power to keep your skills honed while having fun.
I always wanted a small, light car. And I also like the Scooby (I hope one day to get one). But after having driven the Exige and having seen how it compares on the track AND on the roads to the Scoobys, EVOs, Nobles, TVRs, I know I will keep it forever. It's the car I always wanted. And in the track, only a few cars go faster than the Exige, and these are VERY modified cars with very skilled drivers as well.
BTW, my car doesn't leak, has only broken a fan belt in 14000 miles, nothing is falling apart and is VERY comfy. Ah, I'm 6'2" and built.
No, it doesn't carry a lot of luggage. Yes, it's noisy (but so are many Scoobys I have seen around). It's 0-60 in 4.7 secs and top speed of 140MPH (tested), ah, and it gives me 32-35 MPG.
It seems to me that considering the acceleration rush out of a roundabout or green light the main thing, is a bit naive. I used to enjoy that a long time ago. Now I enjoy the art of turning. It's my impression that anybody can drive fast in the straights. But that's on my experience.
But some Scooby drivers know this. My advise to those who don't (like Mooseracer) is to go and get a pax ride at the next track outing and see if you like it.
Some people do.
Enjoy,
Uldis
10 July 2003, 11:08 AM
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On normal roads Ive found they are very quick.
This numpty I know has a JPS edition S1, and its only on the straights that any real performance difference becomes apparent (against a 300BHP RX7), through the twisties, and on most roads, its very very quick, and would see off a lot of far more powerful cars.
I think they're more about fun factor too, ive never spent so much time sideways as I have when being a passenger in it, and they turn heads of the female population too.
Great little cars, id have one over an Impreza anyday, but then its all about personal taste.
I like a car thats focussed, its not about "can I fit my suitcase in it" or anything else like that, its not marketed as a roomy car with luggauge space for four, and my mate is 6"6 and fits in it, evn drove all the way to Nurburgring in it, twice!! without complaining....er, as for the ford puma being quicker, what the hell are you talking about??!!
This numpty I know
has a JPS edition S1, and its only on the straights that any real performance difference becomes apparent (against a 300BHP RX7), through the twisties, and on most roads, its very very quick, and would see off a lot of far more powerful cars.I think they're more about fun factor too, ive never spent so much time sideways as I have when being a passenger in it, and they turn heads of the female population too.
Great little cars, id have one over an Impreza anyday, but then its all about personal taste.
I like a car thats focussed, its not about "can I fit my suitcase in it" or anything else like that, its not marketed as a roomy car with luggauge space for four, and my mate is 6"6 and fits in it, evn drove all the way to Nurburgring in it, twice!! without complaining....er, as for the ford puma being quicker, what the hell are you talking about??!!
10 July 2003, 11:16 AM
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I said that over the road I drive daily the puma was quicker for me, whether that down to the car (maybe his is well off) or confidence because it's not my car I don't know but certainly on acceleration the lotus is faster, on a circuit they fly & on motorways they aren't the fastest thing. Just my opinions after driving one several times.
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10 July 2003, 11:17 AM
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but when things got rather twisty, the elise really fell away - it didnt look safe in the slightest
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I presume it was wet then, because that would have never happened in the dry.
It was dry as a bone - red hot and he had his roof down...
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I presume it was wet then, because that would have never happened in the dry.
It was dry as a bone - red hot and he had his roof down...
10 July 2003, 11:22 AM
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I think that they fall between 2 posts - they aren't practical enough as an only car and they aren't extreme enough as a trackday / weekend toy when you could have a Caterfield or Radical or something instead.
BTW I hate scoobs
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BTW I hate scoobs
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10 July 2003, 11:22 AM
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Could it be that it was one of those days when the Elise guy just didn't feel like driving fast?
Sometimes it happens to me as well, relaxed, below the speed limit, letting the traffic go by...
It happens, you know?
Sometimes it happens to me as well, relaxed, below the speed limit, letting the traffic go by...
It happens, you know?
10 July 2003, 11:40 AM
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they aren't practical enough as an only car
But I guess it's easy for me because I don't have kids and therefore have no need for a back seat.
Any car is a compromise (unless you have an unlimited budget), and I'm happy to forego a bit of comfort, luggage space and the back seats for the thrill that comes from driving one of the most exciting cars you can take on a public road. It's all a question of personal taste though
10 July 2003, 01:20 PM
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Maybe you want an Elise because it is approximately 100 times more enjoyable to drive than a 4 door turbo saloon?
Could that be it perhaps?
Don't get me wrong, I love the Scoob, but really, anyone who reckons an Impreza is as much fun is living in cuckoo land... It's like driving a truck with all the controls wrapped in sponge in comparison.
Reliability? Had an Elise/Exige since 1998 and havn't had a single problem
Underpowered? Well power isn't everything. Any Scoob will feel underpowered compared to our TuscanS yet it doesn't mean they are slow.
And there are so many decent tuning options starting from the PTP 140 all the way upto a 270bhp supercharged option that it's easy to find the level of power you want.
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Could that be it perhaps?
Don't get me wrong, I love the Scoob, but really, anyone who reckons an Impreza is as much fun is living in cuckoo land... It's like driving a truck with all the controls wrapped in sponge in comparison.
Reliability? Had an Elise/Exige since 1998 and havn't had a single problem
Underpowered? Well power isn't everything. Any Scoob will feel underpowered compared to our TuscanS yet it doesn't mean they are slow.
And there are so many decent tuning options starting from the PTP 140 all the way upto a 270bhp supercharged option that it's easy to find the level of power you want.
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10 July 2003, 01:54 PM
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Elise will whip most things round a dry track and in the wet be great fun, i have two two seaters now (MR2's), if you don't have kids they are perfectly practical, much like the elise. At the trackdays i've been to you won't hear a scooby driver call them slow either.
10 July 2003, 03:43 PM
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A Scoob and an Elise are both amongst the best of their type, but do their own thing very differently.
I have been doing Knockhill track days for nearly four years now, always in the company of Scooby’s. I have a moderately upgraded Elise, so don’t suffer from running out of top speed, or acceleration over 100mph. Lap times are very similar to a P1, RA, 22B, and the top end EVO's. Normally, whoever is in front, assuming similar driving abilities, will stay in front. The same applied at Oulton and Donington.
I have just got my racing licence, so did my first Sprint at KH the other Saturday. This was a National event, so there were around 100 entries from all over the UK there. My class was over 1700cc sports cars and saloons, excluding Kit cars, so that could include virtually any sports car made, plus Subaru’s, Evo's, rally Cossies, Porsches etc, and was over two laps. It poured down for the morning practice laps, but I had the advantage of having driven KH in the wet, and my time was around 35 secs faster than the next two, a P1 and a five litre TVR. That time was also faster than all but six of the whole field, ie the Elise can be fine in the wet on the right tyres.
The sun came out at lunchtime, so it was dry in the afternoon, and the gap closed to 3 secs for 1st in Class over 2nd and 3rd, a modified P1 and a track RA.
I was at the Boyndie Sprint this weekend, dry all day, but this time the 4wd Rally type cars were in a separate class, and mine was just sports cars. I won mine by around 4 secs, but I was really trying to see how close I could get to that Class. John Stevenson was entered in that, doubling with Dave in his track RA. I have not got the full list of results yet, but I think I just pipped the winner, a race Cossie.
I don’t think that there is any doubt that the Scooby is a better 12 month and long distance commuting car than the Elise, which is a disaster in snow and ice, but it does come into its own on the track and the great bendy, twisty, single track roads that we seek out, both in the wilds of Scotland, and in Europe. The great thing is that with the closeness of the SIDC and Scottish_Elisers, we get to try each others cars on the track, and also go out together on road runs and events such as the annual Tour d'ecosse.
As usual, there will be a good mix of cars at KH tomorrow evening, and again at John Stewarts SIDC one on the 26th.
Hope to see some of you there.
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I have been doing Knockhill track days for nearly four years now, always in the company of Scooby’s. I have a moderately upgraded Elise, so don’t suffer from running out of top speed, or acceleration over 100mph. Lap times are very similar to a P1, RA, 22B, and the top end EVO's. Normally, whoever is in front, assuming similar driving abilities, will stay in front. The same applied at Oulton and Donington.
I have just got my racing licence, so did my first Sprint at KH the other Saturday. This was a National event, so there were around 100 entries from all over the UK there. My class was over 1700cc sports cars and saloons, excluding Kit cars, so that could include virtually any sports car made, plus Subaru’s, Evo's, rally Cossies, Porsches etc, and was over two laps. It poured down for the morning practice laps, but I had the advantage of having driven KH in the wet, and my time was around 35 secs faster than the next two, a P1 and a five litre TVR. That time was also faster than all but six of the whole field, ie the Elise can be fine in the wet on the right tyres.
The sun came out at lunchtime, so it was dry in the afternoon, and the gap closed to 3 secs for 1st in Class over 2nd and 3rd, a modified P1 and a track RA.
I was at the Boyndie Sprint this weekend, dry all day, but this time the 4wd Rally type cars were in a separate class, and mine was just sports cars. I won mine by around 4 secs, but I was really trying to see how close I could get to that Class. John Stevenson was entered in that, doubling with Dave in his track RA. I have not got the full list of results yet, but I think I just pipped the winner, a race Cossie.
I don’t think that there is any doubt that the Scooby is a better 12 month and long distance commuting car than the Elise, which is a disaster in snow and ice, but it does come into its own on the track and the great bendy, twisty, single track roads that we seek out, both in the wilds of Scotland, and in Europe. The great thing is that with the closeness of the SIDC and Scottish_Elisers, we get to try each others cars on the track, and also go out together on road runs and events such as the annual Tour d'ecosse.
As usual, there will be a good mix of cars at KH tomorrow evening, and again at John Stewarts SIDC one on the 26th.
Hope to see some of you there.
tut
10 July 2003, 03:48 PM
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I am suprised and thought that they would be faster than a scoob around a track due the weight difference and cornering speed. How is your's modded if it doesn't run out puff? I am begining to think my mates one is more sick than we thought but it has got 60,000+ miles on it and gets thrashed everywhere. His has the motobuild stage 2 tune on it but he keeps removing the superchip because he says it overheats 
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10 July 2003, 04:23 PM
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The Superchip was a waste of time. We did a R/R comparison, with and without, and it made no difference.
The upgrade path follows a fairly standard route for 140, 160, 180, and over 200hp. It pays to start with the head, gas flowed and ported by someone who knows what they are doing. If you are aiming for 160+, this is the time to fit oversized valves for later.
Next would be upgraded camshafts, Piper 270's for the lower powers, 285's for the higher. At this stage you would also probably need a replacement ECU, ie Emerald, so that it could be mapped from a notebook. The standard one is non changeable. You would now be looking at around 160ish hp. Next step would be to fit Jenvey throttle bodies, and preferably a good S/S exhaust manifold, assuming that you had already replaced the heavy and restrictive standard Elise exhaust and CAT. You are now in the 180 bracket, and above this the costs rise as forged pistons and mechanical cams are needed.
I honestly do not know now what figure my car is putting out, as I had forged pistons in, but recently fitted a nearly new standard engine in after problems with the block, and sold the original on. On Star's R/R at Glenrothes, it had only put out 154hp at the flywheel, instead of the expected 180+, but it turned out that it had a cracked piston, worn rings, and knackered big end shells. This is when I fitted the forged pistons.
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The Superchip was a waste of time. We did a R/R comparison, with and without, and it made no difference.
The upgrade path follows a fairly standard route for 140, 160, 180, and over 200hp. It pays to start with the head, gas flowed and ported by someone who knows what they are doing. If you are aiming for 160+, this is the time to fit oversized valves for later.
Next would be upgraded camshafts, Piper 270's for the lower powers, 285's for the higher. At this stage you would also probably need a replacement ECU, ie Emerald, so that it could be mapped from a notebook. The standard one is non changeable. You would now be looking at around 160ish hp. Next step would be to fit Jenvey throttle bodies, and preferably a good S/S exhaust manifold, assuming that you had already replaced the heavy and restrictive standard Elise exhaust and CAT. You are now in the 180 bracket, and above this the costs rise as forged pistons and mechanical cams are needed.
I honestly do not know now what figure my car is putting out, as I had forged pistons in, but recently fitted a nearly new standard engine in after problems with the block, and sold the original on. On Star's R/R at Glenrothes, it had only put out 154hp at the flywheel, instead of the expected 180+, but it turned out that it had a cracked piston, worn rings, and knackered big end shells. This is when I fitted the forged pistons.
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10 July 2003, 05:20 PM
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Missed a bit but paulpalmer - yes indeed, I used to own a Puma (great car) and have extensively driven my brothers Elise. I am very surprised you find the Puma quicker A-B. I'll leave it at that. 
10 July 2003, 06:08 PM
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Bit late with this one! 
I had an STi V4 Type R running ~320bhp (don't they all...)
And I sold it to buy an Elise 18 months ago (albeit an S2 version..)
My driving ability has improved tenfold (Although I'm still a bit rubbish...!)
The Scoob was *waaaaaay* faster, but didn't require the same level of skill to get the best out of it...The Elise is more difficult to drive, but is extremely rewarding when you get it right...
(I'm a bit of a Nurburgring junkie, and can peddle my 'lise round the track in 9m 15secs BTG, which ain't bad for 120bhp...Some of the quicker drivers in std Elises have dipped below 8m 50sec, which is into the realms of 911's...)
Horses for courses - If I had a family and needed something practical, I'd probably have another Scoob...But I don't, so for the same money, I'll stick with my plastic kit car...
Cheers,
Ross.
I had an STi V4 Type R running ~320bhp (don't they all...
)And I sold it to buy an Elise 18 months ago (albeit an S2 version..)
My driving ability has improved tenfold (Although I'm still a bit rubbish...!
)The Scoob was *waaaaaay* faster, but didn't require the same level of skill to get the best out of it...The Elise is more difficult to drive, but is extremely rewarding when you get it right...
(I'm a bit of a Nurburgring junkie, and can peddle my 'lise round the track in 9m 15secs BTG, which ain't bad for 120bhp...Some of the quicker drivers in std Elises have dipped below 8m 50sec, which is into the realms of 911's...)
Horses for courses - If I had a family and needed something practical, I'd probably have another Scoob...But I don't, so for the same money, I'll stick with my plastic kit car...
Cheers,
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10 July 2003, 07:16 PM
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Christ, just when i get back into it, the small-minded Scoobynetter attitude rears its ugly head again.
Why is it that any car that isn't a scooby, looks wicked and has 2 doors is instantly dismissed as a hairdressers car?
Elise - Numerous best drivers car awards
MX-5 - Again, too many awards to list for ability as a DRIVERS CAR
TT - okay, maybe, but its still a damn good car, just look at the interior...,
My point is, try to open your minds a little people, the title of 'Great Car' isn't just reserved for Scoobies.
Beef (Scooby fan, honestly!)
Why is it that any car that isn't a scooby, looks wicked and has 2 doors is instantly dismissed as a hairdressers car?
Elise - Numerous best drivers car awards
MX-5 - Again, too many awards to list for ability as a DRIVERS CAR
TT - okay, maybe, but its still a damn good car, just look at the interior...,
My point is, try to open your minds a little people, the title of 'Great Car' isn't just reserved for Scoobies.
Beef (Scooby fan, honestly!)
10 July 2003, 07:49 PM
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Hi,
I bought my Elise S2 in late April this year and put 6.5K miles on the clock. I use it to commute most days but have another car as well.
IMHO its fantastic. My cars build is fine, the dealer has been very responsive, fuel economy of near 40Mpg no matter how I drive (excepting track days). When it rains I do NOT get wet and have yet to see it leak. The boot is fine for a week away and the seats have been comfortable even on long runs upto north of Scotland. In the dry its performance is outstanding, much to the chargrin of various Scooby and Evo owners plus several supercars. I'll grant you that once onto the straights I lose out, but round here we have hills / corners a plenty all the straights are filled with 40Mph pipe smoking fools.
Each to their own I say, I like my Elise but will admit I nearly bought an Impreza, but then thought "why do I need rear seats? Do I want to look like a drug dealer? and what goes round corners better?" Desision made and I'm not looking back.
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I bought my Elise S2 in late April this year and put 6.5K miles on the clock. I use it to commute most days but have another car as well.
IMHO its fantastic. My cars build is fine, the dealer has been very responsive, fuel economy of near 40Mpg no matter how I drive (excepting track days). When it rains I do NOT get wet and have yet to see it leak. The boot is fine for a week away and the seats have been comfortable even on long runs upto north of Scotland. In the dry its performance is outstanding, much to the chargrin of various Scooby and Evo owners plus several supercars. I'll grant you that once onto the straights I lose out, but round here we have hills / corners a plenty all the straights are filled with 40Mph pipe smoking fools.
Each to their own I say, I like my Elise but will admit I nearly bought an Impreza, but then thought "why do I need rear seats? Do I want to look like a drug dealer? and what goes round corners better?" Desision made and I'm not looking back.
Cheers
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10 July 2003, 11:12 PM
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As a second car Elise's are the perfect job. Only car you can drive flat out or tiddle around in and have a huge grin at the end. If the weather is good even better as it feels just like a kart.
No sense comparing with Scoobys, Evos anything really as they are so different.
Dealers are pretty poor but if you look under the surface there are loads of people working on them that know much more than dealers and cost a lot less too.
120 bhp not enough... haha... try a track day in one. There is more to life than a claimed bhp figure.
No sense comparing with Scoobys, Evos anything really as they are so different.
Dealers are pretty poor but if you look under the surface there are loads of people working on them that know much more than dealers and cost a lot less too.
120 bhp not enough... haha... try a track day in one. There is more to life than a claimed bhp figure.
11 July 2003, 12:36 AM
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I like my Elise but will admit I nearly bought an Impreza, but then thought "why do I need rear seats? Do I want to look like a drug dealer?
As I said early on, I drove an dS2 Elise and was underwhelmed. I hate Scoobies. I don't need rear seats, nor do I have any. That said I don't think my car is any better than an Elise, it is personal preference at the end of the day.
Also as I said above I think the Elise is too compromised for a daily driver - but some think differently and that's fine - and it's too compromised as a weekend / trackday toy. Basically unless you are in the minority who can live with one as an only car I think you can do better with the money for a toy.
I'd have a VX220 Turbo all the way ahead of an Elise as an only car as well - just need to get those horrible Vauxhall badges off it...
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11 July 2003, 09:42 AM
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I owned a 215bhp super charger Elise 111s which had motorsport brakes and fully adjustable leda suspension.
On the road the car was not that exciting, hard to get in or out, very reliable and very cool.
On the track the car was amazing, I estimate it was about 5 seconds a lap quicker around castle coombe than my 330bhp STI RA with all the goodies!!
I sold it and got the Scooby and have never looked back!
Dom.
On the road the car was not that exciting, hard to get in or out, very reliable and very cool.
On the track the car was amazing, I estimate it was about 5 seconds a lap quicker around castle coombe than my 330bhp STI RA with all the goodies!!
I sold it and got the Scooby and have never looked back!
Dom.
11 July 2003, 02:20 PM
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i had a standard uk scooby, before my elise, i must say a scoob makes an average driver , drive well, having said that im not getting the best out of the elise, certainly not on the road. going to work on the B roads, i think twice in the elise about overtaking a line of 3 cars, where as in the scooby i would just gone for it. but elise is still a fun car, horses for courses etc..., if i could i would have both !!!!