MR Turbo

Agreed - but would you not say that most Scooby and any other high performance car drivers generally have a good\above average standard of driving skill?
Obviously - there is always the excetion to the rule in both cases.

MR Turbo.

jonny gav

iTrader: (1)

harvey's car has to be up there with 417 proven bhp(more now)

have a look here

anyone that has seen it on track would agree its a weapon!!!

this car will do 0-60 in under 4 seconds and top out at around the 180 mph mark.

all this from a car that is used every day.

www.tyneteesscoobies.com








[Edited by jonny gav - 1/21/2003 2:49:28 PM]

MR Turbo

I don't think they come much faster than that - Harvey must be the main benchmark for all other Scoobynetters on here.
Very impressed, that answers that then - unless there are any others?

Thanks for you replies guys(+ gals) i think my question has been answered.

MR Turbo

johnfelstead

ermmm no

nothing has been proven conclusevly from this post at all.

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

Agree with John, how does the above conclude things???

MR Turbo

Hi johnfelstead

I hope i have not opened a can of worms here.....
I mentioned that "i think my question has been answered" as my closing statement.
I did not say that anything was "proven conclusevly" from the post. It has just given me a good indication - that all. In all honesty it seems that Harvey has a very good, all round high performance car as do many others on here.
However, i did say "that answers that then - unless there are any others", so if you know of any other cars (your's could be well be one of them) please feel free to add them to the post, if you think it is worth doing so.
As i mentioned ealier my comments are not here to cause ANYONE offence so please do not take my comments too close to heart.

Kind Regards

MR Turbo

jonny gav

iTrader: (1)

john, you can't say harveys car isn't one of the best all round cars in the scoobynet community

you saw what it was like at croft!

and that is a low speed track (125 tops i think)

give credit where its due!

MR Turbo

My thoughts exactly.....Credit where it is due.

MR Turbo

ChristianR

iTrader: (1)

As already mentioned, expect interesting results from ten of the best II in the summer.

johnfelstead

where did i say it wasnt one of the fastest? It is not the fastest impreza on scoobynet that i know personally, and i dont know that many of the silly power cars personally.

I was fundemantaly disagreeing with the statement made that Harveys car is the best on scoobynet, because it isnt. It is still a very good car.

David_Wallis

It's obviously one of the top 10, but like I say I really think 10 of the best will be an eye opener, I think we are going to see top speed for scoobys at around 180mph..

Im expecting about 170 - 175 mph for mine.

I have a lot of money to spend yet...

But believe me, my car will be public knowledge..

David

taffyboyo

edited to take off all the crap I wrote this morning!
just thought I could join in on a subject that was way above my comprehension!

[Edited by taffyboyo - 25/01/2003 17:38:59]

Gedi

I know its been posted before but this site has some damn quick cars....
1/4 in 10 seconds @ 145mph

Its a shame scoobys are pretty hard to tune......I remember back in the days the cossie owned the road....cars with +400bhp was a very common site indeed....If I remember rightly Graham Goode used to run about 560bhp in his daily run about and it was reliable...heh

[Edited by Gedi - 25/01/2003 11:47:37]

Adam M

Cant see anyone getting upset here?


who exactly needs to chill out?


david, my car will probably end up with one of the higher power figures I have no doubt of that, but I would rather not enter into a the top speed run.

A lot of people are of the opinion that if you cant use it then wahts the point? fact is, I am never going to go much over 120 and even thats only going to be on the track.

Revs are known to kill engines more than anything else, so in my opinion, I would rather not risk even the one run flat out.

Car is geared for 178mph at 8k rpm. I wont rev the 2.5 to 8k as I would rather have a safety net despite making everything as strong as possible.

You will hopefully see a 500+ bhp/lbft 22B doing the quarter mile, but high speed will not be happening with me pulling the strings thats for sure, even if johnf will be driving.

With redard to the fastest car, it must depend on whose hands the car is in.

JF can lap the ring in 8min 20 in his sti 5 (correct me if I am wrong). That is a good test of the speed of the car.

I hear that harvey is a great driver, but even in his car,I have no idea if he could match that or not.

In a straight line, one would think the car with the most usable torque curve and best gearing to suit would be the fastest.

This could also lie with harveys car but I would equally like to see what christians can do.

Sunday will give ius some idea of the power and torque of christians car.

Claudius

I agree the Nürburgring is a good benchmark.

But wasnt this thread supposed to be about the fastest CAR?

If JF laps the ring in 8:20, then that is very fast for a standard car with slicks: Horst von Saurma (who I believe is or used to be a professionnal driver) needs 8:25 in a standard Evo 6 (on road tyres). Add a second per km and JF is only 15s slower than HvS in an Evo. But then again, how fast would HvS lap the ring in John's STI? Compare the cars on the same track, with the same driver, on the same day an you get an idea...

Michael Schumacher lapped the ring in 8:51 in a Mercedes 190E AMG 3.2l ten years ago. Doesnt mean I could do it today. Doesnt mean my car is slower, either. All it means is that it isnt COMPARABLE.

Adam M

fair points claudius.

so basically it looks like you want to define fastest by straight line speed.

top speed or acceleration.

if so, which speed range?

standing start?

its all rather silly at that point.

MR Turbo

I see... maybe i did not explain the initial post correctly or maybe the analysis is a bit confused when so many people see the same question interpretating different things....

By fastest i meant all of the criteria by average.
For example, if one car has big HP, good top speed but poor acceleration, track time etc...it meets 2 of the points quite well but not the others as well.
Another car may have good acceleration, track time and HP. On average this car is a faster all round car than the first one.

Hope this clarifies things a bit better....As i previously stated, Harveys cars stills seems to be the main benchmark on here for all round performance with the information that has been provided.
This comment is not intended to cause ANYONE offence just based on the supplied facts.

Regards

MR Turbo

Robertio

iTrader: (1)

If you are after the fastest, why does it have to have big bhp to qualify? You could have a car that was the quickest over the other 3 selection criteria yet wasn't anything special in the bhp department. Would the car then not be the fastest using your selection criteria? it being beaten by a heavier, less aerodynamic car with more power that is marginally slower in the other tests.

IMHO total bhp should not be listed, it is no more important than cd rating, frontal area. weight, etc.

Adam M

agree with robertio.

then there is also the fact that the area under the curve is more important thatn the peak powe. plus torque plateau will make for a more accelerative car.

MR Turbo

Agree with your comments guys, however the BHP can be used as a relative comparison to overall performance figures...i.e compare the bhp figures of each of the top three performing cars to see if there is much difference in BHP,Torque etc between them...may prove the theory that big bhp is not needed for a high standard, all round performing scooobie.

Hope this helps.

MR Turbo

Claudius

Hi Adam

I didnt mean to define "fast" by "straight line speed".

While I think it's nice to have a car that accelerates hard in a straight line (which I have unfortunately not yet experienced), by "fast", I (personally) mean "performant", in the sense of "fast around a medium fast track" like the Nürburgring for example, or (as far as I am personally concerned) something slightly slower.

Now what torque and bhp the engine puts out has some relevance to the debate, but is not that important. For example, my Evo was measured at 560 Nm (408 ft/lbs) torque and 408 bhp. Does it accelerate hard? No. Why? Too heavy, gearing too long, and expectancies too high. Now is it fast? Yes, relatively: good suspension and body stiffness, ok brakes. It's not about the engine, it's about the overall package.

Steve Whitehorn

iTrader: (13)

who has the fastest scooby....


....most experienced + naturally talented driver on Scoobynet has the fastest Scooby.

It isn't me. I'm not half bad down those Sussex back roads. But I am sure that there are that many that would show me up.

It is the driver not the BHP

Best wishes
Steve

igratton

Power is nothing without control....

I've only got 160bhp and struggle to control that



Ian.

[Edited by igratton - 1/26/2003 11:44:31 AM]