This is the problem a lot of people go from a standard ish 215bhp UK WRX to a 300bhp EVO7 and say it blows them away, yes it will .

Obviously depends on what you are comparing but this was my choice and my MY00 only just fits in my garage if I flick the electric wing mirrors in.

GTR 34 (http://www.j-garage.com/2100.htm)
L/W/H 4600 / 1785 / 1360

MY00 Impreza (sidc faq) L/W/H 4350 / 1690 / 1400

I make that 95mm about 4inches wider and I can only just squeeze it in now . Plus I have to be able to open the door and get out. The 4 doors scoobs are easier to get out of, the skylines long 2 door would be a nightmare in a garage (had a couple of 2 door coupes int he past) as I am not the smallest guy in the world .

Length is problem as well due to bits pieces at the bottom of the garage. I have had to leave the mid level spoiler on so the up and over door still goes up and over. I could do something about that though.

I have owned had a nissan coupe in the past and enjoyed it and cant wait to go and have a play in 350Z .

 

The big thing is that 99% of people who buy EVOS intend to seriously modify them. Alot of scoob owners just for for a backbox and filter and leave it at that. I was looking at extras, peformance upgrades and kit for the EVO 7 it is a car which begs to be modified I doubt you will find any standard ones. It does cost though if you intend doing it properly. Of course it will shaft warranties as well if not done by Ralliart or CCC.

 

Big thanks to Wilf for sending through the articles!

Very interesting reading, which basically indicate that for all round performance the P1 is the don of the Impreza breed and serves to flatter the driver.

The Evo generation are a little more tricky to master but give big rewards - even if the interior is dull.

Skyline, suprisingly at home on UK roads although track result was a little disappointing.

So then, ta again Wilf, am off to test drive a P1 and Evo VI on Saturday. Sweeeet!

 

Evo pain to live with, give me a break.....

52,000 miles in less than 2 years.
Warped discs....no, only just replaced the standard discs after 52,000 miles.
Used 3 sets of tyres, 3 sets of pads and replaced the clutch once.

Test drove a P1 as a comparison to the Evo and the Evo has less lag than the P1 and the brakes are in a different league to the standard P1's by a long long way. If you go for the P1 then definitely get the brakes upgraded.

Evo is fine to live with on a day to day basis. Suspension isn't as hard as all these people who've never been in one say!!!!

Fuel consumption will be very similar to a P1 and I can get about 220-230miles out of a tank. People seem to think that because it has a small tank that it means you get worse fuel economy

Test drive them all and make your own mind up is the best way but the Evo is not as bad as everyone seems to think.....

Andy

 

Can add my skyline ownership experience.

I had a jap import impreza prior to the GTR.

Since buying the GTR I have experienced -
Cheaper servicing (honestly - skyline specialists are excellent)
Better MPG (except when really hard pushed)
Much better performance!

Handling is very good too - suits me much better than the scooby

Looked at an evo, which in my opinion is like a scooby but quicker whereas the skyline is a totally different driving experience...

 

So you must have had nearly 12 services in under 2 years!!! I have just decided against an FQ300 cos of the 10 gallon tank, 4500 service and 32K without even a radio!!

 

Polarbearit, so yours isn't a V-Spec then? What's the major difference between the two, I believe it's to do with the TESSA? systems?

Can you throw the Skyline around and have fun, or is it too heavy for that and therefore you need to concentrate on lines and keeping it smooth?

Reliability wise have you had any real problems, and is yours a Uk car or an import?

Cheers

Andy

 

Hi guys,heres my two pennies worth.I own an evo 6 GSR and I'll justify as to why you should own this car.
Before I start,all three cars mentioned are awesome but each car does different things.
The P1 in my opinion is probably the best all rounder but it does not excell in anything like the other two marks do.

The skyline is awesome,but only if you start modding it.A standard evo6/7 will have the edge on a standard skyline in performance and handling dynamics as will the P1.The skline is very big and heavy really to really be a force as standard.I have been in a 400+BHP skyline,and it is awesome.But it was just too raw and uncompromising.It was basically a race car for the road and was completely impratical for every day life as parking it anywhere is virtually impossible,the rear seats are non existant,it is just a beast and would just be very difficult to have as an every day driver.I am probably the only person on the planet who is not keen on skylines.

The evo6 is probably the best point to point car out of the three.It has so much feed back and will turn in at any speed.There is minimal turbo lag and when power does come in at around 3K there is a manic delivery and you can feel the accelleration in your back which is consistant through to the redline.
There is so much rubbish going round about evo ownership.OK it needs servicing every £4500 miles,I had one done at the basingstoke mitsubishi dealer for £150 quid which aint bad.It is ultra reliable in standard form and if well looked after will run and run and run.The reason disks warp is because when they get very hot and leave your foot on the breaks it takes the heat away from that one spot and the temperature difference warps the disk.Always remember when in traffic,use the handbrake!Fuel consumption aint too bad for the evo6.I refuel every 6 days or around 220miles,and I still have around 30 miles left in tank.Fuel consumption is roughly 23-25MPG.The above includes a few spirited drives!!!IMHO the evo6 especially just looks the nuts.It just looks so aggressive far more so than the P1 and on a par with the skyline.

To summarise all the above cars are great.The skyline is just a road racer and is the jap car daddy but is too soft in standard form.Needs to be tuned to at least 400+BHP to be effective.In this form,nothing on the road will touch it.

The evo6/7 is one of the worlds best point to point cars which does everything so well.It has good accelleration and performance as standard and the handling is one of the best.Bad points are servicing and fuel economy but it is by no means as bad as everyone makes out.

The P1 is the best all rounder as it has similar performance to the evo6/7 and skyline in standard form and is the cheapest to run out of the lot.It looks very nice(a bit soft for me) and does everything well.The only two negative points are depreciation and engine reliability as many impreza engines have given in for no reason.But overall you have to say that the P1 is the best all rouder out of the three.
Finally if you want a good allrounder get the suburu P1.The evo is basically a more manic version of a P1 but still a good allrounder.
The skyline is just a mental piece of metal and when tuned is just crazy.But IMHO the car is just too impratical for everyday life is too big.It's one sole purpose is to go faster than light itself.


Toad.

 

P1 Enthusiast, i agreed yes the small tank is a pain, but that the smile on your face when your driving more than makes up for it.

Brake discs if you have to replace, and want two peice replacements are £300, not £400 like you keep stating, group N discs are £150 if you dont fancy paying out £300.

Servicing costs £180 for the 4.5k mile service, i`m not comparing it to Subaru service prices because it isnt an issue for me.If the service cost is an issue then dont buy the Evo simple as that.Infact, if you`d have read the original post properly in the first place, ap states about the Evo...

I dont really understand your problem, everyone on this thread has given good, sound advice, and they have all said to drive the cars in question and see which suits ap best.

You seem stuck on the P1 so much, have you ever driven an Evo or Skyline?? I havent driven a Skyline so didnt comment on them, but i would never dismiss it just because i own an Evo and think its the mutts.

Open your mind, read the post`s properly and dont bang your head on the keyboard so much, that way you`ll be better qualified to answer other peoples queries, and wont have a headache at the end of the night

Rich.

http://www.lancermods.co.uk

 

Erm my car is not a standard skyline - with a 1 bar ECU, turbo pipe, exhaust and induction kit its running ~400bhp (from ~300bhp originally). I can't speak for suspension and brakes either as they aren't standard (Nismo & AP respectively)...

With my setup the car is quick enough and handles better than any car I've driven! My car isn't a V-Spec (which would mean originally it had softer suspension than the V-spec) - it also means that has a standard mechanical diff not the active electronic diff fitted in the V-Spec. More details on http://www.gtr.co.uk...

I find my car very chuckable but compared with a scooby very different - it doesn't have the same 4x4 feel, more a RWD car with huge amounts of grip!

 

UKType
The FQ makes its own music through that bloody hugh 5 inch exhaust it has on the back so forget the stereo, besides you could put your own in which would be way better than the dealers anyway

Ive driven all sorts of cars and supercars and the best ive driven has to be the evo. I am hooked on scoobies (owned wrx) and love them but the evo pins you back against the seat when you accelerate and instantly puts a smile on your face just like the scooby did on your first test drive. Its that feeling all over again but slightly more manic in the evo. You also feel more connected to the road in the evo which makes you feel safer and the back doesnt step out or feel as light as the scooby when cornering, it just digs in and you can really feel the chassis working with you. Its the daddy which is why im getting one. Skylines i cant comment on cos i havent driven one but will soon.

 

Well, I went out and test drove an Evo VI and a P1 yesterday. Having said I wasn't going to buy until next year... well.... that idea got shafted.

I'm now the proud owner of a P1.

Whilst both of the 4wd category, the Evo and P1 are very different. Drove the P1 first, and the first thing I said was "ah, it's good to be back!". It's very similar to the Turbo 2000, but does everything better, faster, sharper. The same confidence is there, feeling of solidity, just with a rocket shoved where the sun doesn't shine.

It's got buckets of low down torque which is useful in *real world* siutations where you find yourself off boost but want to get there asap! Turn in is quick, decisive with the usual scooby feedback. Body roll in minimal and it settles into the corners very very quickly. Once there, there's very little movement through the seat - it just feel so planted. Yes, people say this about the standard scoob - and they're right - but it's just so much more so in the P1.

The Evo is a different beast. First impression is that it just wants to scream everywhere. There is nothing below 3500 rpm, and I mean nothing. Dismal. But.... when the turbo spins up.... holy cow. I think the acceleration is so marked because of the lack of low down torque. Turn in is sharper than the P1 - but only just and the suspension is harder. It's a real teeth jarring experience on all but the smoothest of roads. The point of this car is to nail it everywhere - no rest, no chill evening drives, just nail it. If you don't and you want to just potter (occaisionally it happens - maybe I'm getting old) then this car would frustrate and drive you mad. On a track, it'd be a monster. Still, I suspect the P1 would happily keep within sight of it's bumper.

So, all in all, I went for the P1. It's got the Prodrive brake upgrade, 15,800 miles and FSSH (ofc).

Sack next year.... it's too far away and I want my fun now

I pick it up on Saturday!

 

Nice one

The only way is to drive them all and chose for yourself, i`m sure you`ll love the P1 experience, it sounds asthough the Evo diffinitely is`nt the car for you by what you've just posted....each to their own and all that

Good Luck with the new car,

Rich.

 

Absolutely Rich, you can post 1000 messages on here but until you drive one you won't know which one is right for you.

I'm counting the hours until Saturday...

 

Well done ap im sure you will love it.At the end of the day the p1 and evo suits different types of people with different requirements. I think maybe the more hardcore people go for the evos who can live with the horrible ride Anyway all, enjoy all your cars, drive them sensibly and be nice to other motorists.

Scrappy

 

Cheers scrappy...

Just 5 days now until P1 pickup. Well, 4 days, 21 hours, 15 minutes.

Hmm, how sad is that?

 

Does the Evo technically 'need' a service every 4.5k miles, or is it just Mitsubishi milking people for money?

I would think it would be worth somebody like the MLR lobbying Mitsubishi to have it upped to a more realistic level.

 

Glad to hear you took the plunge.

I did much the same when I test drove a P1. Didnt intend to buy one but had to after driving one. Couldnt believe how different the whole driving experience felt to the std UK turbo.

I agree with you on the user friendly point. The thing with the P1 is that you can use it as an everyday car if you want and still cane it. Took mine on a mini run vs my clio cup on Sunday and the difference between the two cars on a poorly surfaced damp B road is amazing. In the Cup you fight your way down the road with mad torque steer in second gear and a very live ride/handling set up. The P1 is so much less intimidating it takes it all in its stride and as a result is much more confidence inspiring and much faster.

True on a smooth road the difference is much closer and the Cup would be great round the track but in the real world the P1's set up works a treat.