Does red diesel damage engines?
31 October 2002, 07:02 PM
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If you want to run cherry the best way to disguise it is to put some used engine oil in with it to turn it black,it also does something to the chemical structure making the cherry undetectable.
I knew of someone who got tugged twice by the ministry and when asked why is it black he told em he ran out of juice and a guy filled him up from a tub that had been used for waste oil,got told on ya way mate and dont do it again.
I knew of someone who got tugged twice by the ministry and when asked why is it black he told em he ran out of juice and a guy filled him up from a tub that had been used for waste oil,got told on ya way mate and dont do it again.
01 November 2002, 12:49 PM
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Totally agree with post above that it is the government that are the real criminals here. But they seem to have us by the plums because everyone needs it. I sometimes hope that these problems get so bad that the only thing they can do is reduce the tax to stop the demand. BUT then I am reminded they'll just hammer us another way. You can't seem to win. So while they continue to run cr@p public services with uncompetent management intent on haemoraging money we have to foot the bill. Oh....to live in a democracy eh. They're all as bad as each other.
It won't be long before cars like the Scooby are considered to un green to build. Its already started with taxing the @rse off well serviced and well maintained company cars. Eventually it will be too expensive to own one and sales must have dropped already.
Rant over .......... sorry
It won't be long before cars like the Scooby are considered to un green to build. Its already started with taxing the @rse off well serviced and well maintained company cars. Eventually it will be too expensive to own one and sales must have dropped already.
Rant over .......... sorry
01 November 2002, 07:21 PM
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It has to be said that the French certainly know how to get their feelings across when it comes to ripp off motoring. We almost came close here in Britain when the farmers/truckers blocked the roads. The government did get a scare that time, but tried to blame the high prices on the fuel companies. The problem lies with the 80-85% tax that is on fuel, not with the profits that the oil companies make. It is small in comparison.
Perhaps another series of road blocks would get the feeling across, as at the minute all they seem to care about, is the polluting busses and trains, which they claim are so green. Public transport is a joke, and for some workers, it would never be a useful method of transport to get to and from work anyway. People who need their cars, work in different areas from week to week, or month to month, who carry tools etc could never use busses or trains. Besides, what is at the front of most city traffic jams ( apart from unnecessary roadworks )?? Of course, its an empty bus.
The green do gooders dont want any more roads...yea that makes sense.. Lets have a million cars sitting in a traffic jam, going nowhere, Like thats not causing more pollution the daft gits. If there was a good road sysstem, then there would be less traffic jams, less stationary cars to cause pollution.
I wonder how many of the green smelly people have their central heating blasting all year round??? How much pollution does that create?? how much oil do they use??? Same for Greanpeace...how much oil etc does their smelly ship they sail about in use, campaining for god knows what???? They are a bunch of hypocrits. If they wanted to be soo green and enviromentally fiendly, they could kill themselves....voila, less resources used and more available for the rest of us. Now that would be a good thing for the rest of society.
Next time they dig holes in the ground, to stop roads being built or similar, just fill the damn things in. It will save someone else digging a grave for them. Let them dig their own.
Wait til more people start using alternative fuels, then the government will start taxing the **** out of them too. They do not care one bit about the enviroment, the only thing they care abut is revenue, most of which lines their fat wallets. Are Prescotts Jags using LPG or any "green" fuels. I dont think so. Are Tonies cars doing the same??? I dont think so...Do all them members of greenpeace own cars??? Im sure they probably do, and very few will be attempts at green cars.
Maybe I dont get pissed off about the whole thing
Perhaps another series of road blocks would get the feeling across, as at the minute all they seem to care about, is the polluting busses and trains, which they claim are so green. Public transport is a joke, and for some workers, it would never be a useful method of transport to get to and from work anyway. People who need their cars, work in different areas from week to week, or month to month, who carry tools etc could never use busses or trains. Besides, what is at the front of most city traffic jams ( apart from unnecessary roadworks )?? Of course, its an empty bus.
The green do gooders dont want any more roads...yea that makes sense.. Lets have a million cars sitting in a traffic jam, going nowhere, Like thats not causing more pollution the daft gits. If there was a good road sysstem, then there would be less traffic jams, less stationary cars to cause pollution.
I wonder how many of the green smelly people have their central heating blasting all year round??? How much pollution does that create?? how much oil do they use??? Same for Greanpeace...how much oil etc does their smelly ship they sail about in use, campaining for god knows what???? They are a bunch of hypocrits. If they wanted to be soo green and enviromentally fiendly, they could kill themselves....voila, less resources used and more available for the rest of us. Now that would be a good thing for the rest of society.
Next time they dig holes in the ground, to stop roads being built or similar, just fill the damn things in. It will save someone else digging a grave for them. Let them dig their own.
Wait til more people start using alternative fuels, then the government will start taxing the **** out of them too. They do not care one bit about the enviroment, the only thing they care abut is revenue, most of which lines their fat wallets. Are Prescotts Jags using LPG or any "green" fuels. I dont think so. Are Tonies cars doing the same??? I dont think so...Do all them members of greenpeace own cars??? Im sure they probably do, and very few will be attempts at green cars.
Maybe I dont get pissed off about the whole thing
21 July 2006, 07:52 PM
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Hmm.....long time since I read this thread...so has anyone actually runa DECENT diesel (ie NOt a £500 ****ter!) on red?...if so were there any advserse effects mechanically?....
(all questions asked purely in the interests of scientific research of course!)
(all questions asked purely in the interests of scientific research of course!)
21 July 2006, 08:23 PM
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there is a hardcore red derv group in blyth which have used this stuff for at least 10 years 
cutting petrol tanks to put other tanks inside, empty bass boxes with tanks inside, you name it, these lads have done it
it was 35p a litre when i was buying it from a garage forcourt pump (yup there is a garage round this way that sells it at the pump pmsl) about 5 years ago, has it came down in price?
cutting petrol tanks to put other tanks inside, empty bass boxes with tanks inside, you name it, these lads have done it
it was 35p a litre when i was buying it from a garage forcourt pump (yup there is a garage round this way that sells it at the pump pmsl) about 5 years ago, has it came down in price?
21 July 2006, 08:27 PM
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and i have to say, nobody in there right mind is going to admit that they used the red stuff on a public forum
but here is a picture of my old diesel vectra that was running 1.3bar
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but here is a picture of my old diesel vectra that was running 1.3bar
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22 July 2006, 06:01 AM
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I know someone who used to use veggie oil in their old laguna diesel
had to mix it with a bit of diesel in the winter but in the warmer weather had no probs using it neat . and at 42p a litre from asda it is less than half the price of diesel.Not sure about using it in modern diesels though.
had to mix it with a bit of diesel in the winter but in the warmer weather had no probs using it neat . and at 42p a litre from asda it is less than half the price of diesel.Not sure about using it in modern diesels though.
22 July 2006, 07:26 AM
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Just to go over this again
Red Diesel WILL work fine and exactly the same as normal white diesel. Its just a dye that gets burnt in the combustion process. It is cheaper because it is supposed to be used in non-road going vehicles only, and thus not subject to tax. Is also used as 35sec heating oil.
Kerosene with a mix of engine oil, will also run a diesel engine and supply the lubricants needed for the fuel pump, but the exhaust fumes are very notable in the smell.
Fullers Earth (cat litter) if sprinkled on top of a tub of red diesel, will draw the dye from the fuel as it settles.
Was in the fuel game for many many years, so these are just the facts, and i dont reccomend anybody using red diesel on thge road, it wouldnt be worth it, if, you were caught!
Paul
Red Diesel WILL work fine and exactly the same as normal white diesel. Its just a dye that gets burnt in the combustion process. It is cheaper because it is supposed to be used in non-road going vehicles only, and thus not subject to tax. Is also used as 35sec heating oil.
Kerosene with a mix of engine oil, will also run a diesel engine and supply the lubricants needed for the fuel pump, but the exhaust fumes are very notable in the smell.
Fullers Earth (cat litter) if sprinkled on top of a tub of red diesel, will draw the dye from the fuel as it settles.
Was in the fuel game for many many years, so these are just the facts, and i dont reccomend anybody using red diesel on thge road, it wouldnt be worth it, if, you were caught!
Paul
22 July 2006, 09:35 AM
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Current price of red diesel about 37 pence per litre
Cheap for a car,but if your running a 600 hp Combine or Forager its not!!!
1000 litre tank emptied in a good day!!
4 yrs ago it was less than 15 ppl
Cheap for a car,but if your running a 600 hp Combine or Forager its not!!!
1000 litre tank emptied in a good day!!
4 yrs ago it was less than 15 ppl
22 July 2006, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
Am told the dye is permanent. So if you use it once, it will still show up 6 mths later. Or a year. Be careful buying diesel cars off farmers...
As for dipping, I was told it's not so random, but if they get a tip-off they'll make it look random. So don't tell your closest friends.
BJH
As for dipping, I was told it's not so random, but if they get a tip-off they'll make it look random. So don't tell your closest friends.
BJH
22 July 2006, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by turboman786
OK....so would you put red in say a merc e class diesel(newish).....(out of warranty etc)?..
Not sure why you need to ask this question on a public forum though, not because the tax authorities will find out, but because everyone can see you are tax-evading low-life scum, costing us all more in the long run. You no doubt complain at the state this country is in, but are actually actively contributing to the decrepitude yourself
22 July 2006, 11:27 AM
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We have a fleet of these....
We buy thousands of gallons of red diesel a week and use Texaco and in the past Shell.
I've asked both and they say the diesel they supply is the same standard diesel that goes to the road side fuel stations but with red dye added.
Can't put crap diesel in a 16 litre multiple turbo Volvo engine.
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We buy thousands of gallons of red diesel a week and use Texaco and in the past Shell.
I've asked both and they say the diesel they supply is the same standard diesel that goes to the road side fuel stations but with red dye added.
Can't put crap diesel in a 16 litre multiple turbo Volvo engine.
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22 July 2006, 12:50 PM
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This is getting interesting.
So let's just recap - if a friend of mine had a tank full of heating oil/kerosene in the garage already for his heating - you're saying that he could run his car on it with a bit of oil mixed in - that stuff's only 30 odd p per litre - he could save himself a fortune !
Why isn't everyone doing it - perhaps they are......
So let's just recap - if a friend of mine had a tank full of heating oil/kerosene in the garage already for his heating - you're saying that he could run his car on it with a bit of oil mixed in - that stuff's only 30 odd p per litre - he could save himself a fortune !
Why isn't everyone doing it - perhaps they are......
22 July 2006, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by homerdog
It will work fine and you're unlikely to get caught (£500 fine if you do).
Not sure why you need to ask this question on a public forum though, not because the tax authorities will find out, but because everyone can see you are tax-evading low-life scum, costing us all more in the long run. You no doubt complain at the state this country is in, but are actually actively contributing to the decrepitude yourself
Not sure why you need to ask this question on a public forum though, not because the tax authorities will find out, but because everyone can see you are tax-evading low-life scum, costing us all more in the long run. You no doubt complain at the state this country is in, but are actually actively contributing to the decrepitude yourself
Deary me get off yer high horse lad, this country is ****e, and its nowt to do with people evading tax, I pay £1000s in tax every year, year in year out, besides which who said I am actually planning on using red?....Im merely enquiring!
22 July 2006, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ayrton
This is getting interesting.
So let's just recap - if a friend of mine had a tank full of heating oil/kerosene in the garage already for his heating - you're saying that he could run his car on it with a bit of oil mixed in - that stuff's only 30 odd p per litre - he could save himself a fortune !
Why isn't everyone doing it - perhaps they are......
So let's just recap - if a friend of mine had a tank full of heating oil/kerosene in the garage already for his heating - you're saying that he could run his car on it with a bit of oil mixed in - that stuff's only 30 odd p per litre - he could save himself a fortune !
Why isn't everyone doing it - perhaps they are......
Simon
btw; I will put some myths to bed:
Red diesel smokes. No it doesnt
It dyes the tank/fuel system leading to procesution: No it doesnt
You can detect it for months afterwards: No you cant
Red diesel is inferior to DERV: No it isnt, although it may not be low sulphur
22 July 2006, 11:05 PM
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Not according to the man responsible for overseeing all rebated fuel testing in the Midlands you cant.
To settle this once and for all, I will quote the advice given by HM C&E when I bought a car that had half a tank of rebated fuel in it. First drain the tank and empty the fuel filter allowing as much fuel to escape from the fuel lines as is possible. Then put a gallon of fuel in the car and run it for a short time removing the fuel return pipe to the fuel tank briefly. Turn off and repeat the drain process. Finally; fit a new fuel filter and fill the fuel tank with DERV; there will be no dectable trace of rebated fuel in the system.
Most of the often-repeated wisdom is bollocks; a lot of it is fostered by the C&E inspectors..... It doesnt make their job harder does it?
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To settle this once and for all, I will quote the advice given by HM C&E when I bought a car that had half a tank of rebated fuel in it. First drain the tank and empty the fuel filter allowing as much fuel to escape from the fuel lines as is possible. Then put a gallon of fuel in the car and run it for a short time removing the fuel return pipe to the fuel tank briefly. Turn off and repeat the drain process. Finally; fit a new fuel filter and fill the fuel tank with DERV; there will be no dectable trace of rebated fuel in the system.
Most of the often-repeated wisdom is bollocks; a lot of it is fostered by the C&E inspectors..... It doesnt make their job harder does it?
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23 July 2006, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by turboman786
Does anyone know the cons of running red diesel...besides its slight illegality?.........(this question is asked for non-road use purposes...honest!)
just take your clear plastic fuel filter off(if you have one) or leave it in the sun for a few hours lol
23 July 2006, 03:34 PM
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i use to work for a breakdown company and took a 54 plate 200 series merc off the motorway which had had petrol put in by mistake so we did a fuel drain on it to find cherry coloured fuel coming out of it was amusing to say the least
red dont do any damage to the engine but is very easy picked up by C&E and the way the law is now they will have you in court and your car crushed with in days
so if you dont like your car and have plenty of £££££ to give to the courts then use red
red dont do any damage to the engine but is very easy picked up by C&E and the way the law is now they will have you in court and your car crushed with in days
so if you dont like your car and have plenty of £££££ to give to the courts then use red
23 July 2006, 05:15 PM
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No it wont. Not unless your level of use involves a substantial loss of revenue. If youre caught with a 10,000 litre tank full of rebated fuel and a small fleet of lorries then youre f*cked. If you are caught with half a tank of rebated fuel in your road car then youre looking at a £250 'fixed penalty' and possibly a back-duty levy. Being caught a second time would be extremely silly though.....
23 July 2006, 07:27 PM
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Well it's still tax evasion, leaving you open to prosecution in a criminal court - as I said.
The fixed penalty you mention is a one-off, like a police caution. You would then probably be prosecuted if caught again.
In any case, it's not a motoring offence - as asked by Deep
The fixed penalty you mention is a one-off, like a police caution. You would then probably be prosecuted if caught again.
In any case, it's not a motoring offence - as asked by Deep
24 July 2006, 09:20 AM
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A first time offence will involve you having your car seized, but Customs will normally offer to restore it. The amount would be £500, which is made up of two penalties for two different offences. The first is for having red in the tank (an absolute offence) and the second is for putting it in the vehicle (has to be proved that you did it).
As fatherpierre says, it is a criminal offence (but so are most motoring offences), although you would not receive a criminal record unless you were prosecuted and found guilty.
As fatherpierre says, it is a criminal offence (but so are most motoring offences), although you would not receive a criminal record unless you were prosecuted and found guilty.
24 July 2006, 12:51 PM
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# A penalty of £250 may be imposed for each offence and the duty rebate recovered.
# In all cases, the vehicle may be seized and forfeited.
# If the vehicle owner or user's conduct involves dishonesty, a penalty of up to 100% of the duty evaded may be imposed.
# Each vehicle in a fleet may be treated as a separate offence
# Obstructing a Customs Officer inspecting premises or vehicles or testing or sampling oil may result in an unlimited fine or imprisonment of up to two years, or both.
The cost of the evaded duty is the one to worry about if you get caught. If you can't prove you've been buying legit fuel, you could well get whacked for the duty costs based on your cars mileage and average mpg figure.
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http://www.ipaf.org/Fuel+for+road+vehicles.pdf
# In all cases, the vehicle may be seized and forfeited.
# If the vehicle owner or user's conduct involves dishonesty, a penalty of up to 100% of the duty evaded may be imposed.
# Each vehicle in a fleet may be treated as a separate offence
# Obstructing a Customs Officer inspecting premises or vehicles or testing or sampling oil may result in an unlimited fine or imprisonment of up to two years, or both.
The cost of the evaded duty is the one to worry about if you get caught. If you can't prove you've been buying legit fuel, you could well get whacked for the duty costs based on your cars mileage and average mpg figure.
Full pdf:
http://www.ipaf.org/Fuel+for+road+vehicles.pdf
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Where can I buy red diesel
So I'm now convinced red diesel is absolutely fine to run with any damage to engines I would like to know where I can get hold of some ?
Any suggestions.
(before any do-gooders inform me its illegal and I should point out Gypsies are allowed to get away with no tax, mot, insurance, never pays speeding tickets and parking fines not to mention any council tax and just mess up the country with piles of hardcore and the police do nothing nothing NOTHING. It makes me sick that some people are allowed to run amock and the average joe gets clobbered then why should the rest of us care)
Sorry about that it got me started.
Any suggestions.
(before any do-gooders inform me its illegal and I should point out Gypsies are allowed to get away with no tax, mot, insurance, never pays speeding tickets and parking fines not to mention any council tax and just mess up the country with piles of hardcore and the police do nothing nothing NOTHING. It makes me sick that some people are allowed to run amock and the average joe gets clobbered then why should the rest of us care)
Sorry about that it got me started.