KF

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>What's hypocritical about getting angry with the UK variant of redneck stuff<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That, there, is hypocrisy. There is no "redneck stuff" here, just a post about *illegal imigrants* not being a positive influence on the country.

You take it as an insult and get aggressive and offensive, generalising about people with a different perspective. Sound familiar?

Chill, and read what people are writing, and try not to respond with some knee-jerk reactionary positive- discriminatory "politically correct" diatribe.
Cheers.
KF.

p.s. Let's see the police statistics that you have... Spudgun posted an opinion his friend in the police had, you posted a "fact". Please post your references.

RussP

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by hutton_d:
<B>

Children, children, please stop.... there are more important things on tonight - like England bleedin' won 5-1 - in Germany...!!

Dave[/quote]


Against the Krauts then???

EvilBevel

RussP, sorry, but LOL.

KF, before I continue with your stuff, maybe it's better if you come out behind that little keyboard curtain, and give us an email address... it's all to easy doing it anonymous ... my email is public, so please call me a hypocrite off-bbs, I think this thread served it's purpose, and my POV is pretty clear.

You got me on the statistics bit ... I'll have to do a search for some meaningful URL's(which I will do ... gimme some time). You won't like the results though... And you would probably don't understand (or want to read) the nuances. Oh, a reference to a study at the KUL won't do I suppose ?

However, if I come up with them, do me a favor and try to read the words that are written *exactly* as they are written... the police friend comment was from Astraboy, not Spudgun Hope your attention span is broader than 30 odd posts ?

&gt;&gt;knee-jerk reactionary positive- discriminatory "politically correct" diatribe.

This must have cost you some time

Knee-jerk ? Yes. I feel nothing but disgust & contempt for whining Impreza owning (or ex-owning) UK centered people that *never* had it so good in their life, and blame their spleen on furriners. If you don't see in the original post how insulting the comments about food poisoning (and the next paragraph) were, I nor 1000 URL's can explain it to you. You are lost. Sorry, bzzzt, next.

Reactionary ... nope, sorry, not even my closest enemies would call me that. Excentric, mad, overreacting, yes, I might even agree with them. But reactionary, FFS...

Positive discriminatory ? Nope again, hate it myself. If people are ****ers, they are ****ers, color or sex don't matter.

"politically correct" diatribe ?

Wrong again (apart from the diatribe bit): if you would have bothered, you could have read that in my last 2 replies. PC is one of the things that gave you conservative ***** a reason to complain.

Is this clear enough as an answer, or are you going to ask more "innocent" questions ? Would it have helped to say I have been a "victim" of racism ? Would my reaction than have been "grass roots poor ugly furriner street credible" ? Gimme a friggin break.

Why did you ask the questions in the first place dude ? (assuming you is a dude of course). To stir some **** ? To see the weak point of my arguments (they must be there) ?

You want to take this further ? Be my guest.

Theo

Luke

"GOD SAVE THE QUEEN"

rsquire

Theo...


Dude..........

I owe ya a very large ale

Well... Someone has to buy one for you for putting with these no-life loosers



Richard

rsquire

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>after recent events, are the whole of australia racist<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No... But it does make us champions at cricket though

Richard

shunty

Gary C - getting back to your original post, I couldn't have summed it up BETTER.

Now please don't "flame" me.....new to the board an' all, but you have got to admit it is pretty cr4p living here.....& yes I DEFINETLY would go live in the states if it wasn't for those soft, spongy, slow mobiles they have over their

shunty

blubell

But the countryside is lovley and quiet at the moment

ian_sadler

Yea Bluebell the countryside is nice and quite but it stinks of tons of burnt cows in another misshandled gov. coc£ up.

Ian

ps I agree with the original post.

Crapaud62

Its a case of the grass is always greener?

The original post gave a very negative view of the UK. There are still hundreds of countries in the world that are worse places to live.

Try looking beyond these shores and it puts things in perspective. I was in Kosovo, Albania and Macedonia last year and I think they would disagree on your negative view of life in New Britain.

Sid

blubell

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by ian_sadler:
<B>Yea Bluebell the countryside is nice and quite but it stinks of tons of burnt cows in another misshandled gov. coc£ up.

Ian

ps I agree with the original post.</B>
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

exactly but isnt that want all of the townies want after all there will be no crap for them to walk in and no excuse for farmers shooting their out of control dogs.

KF

Theo,
Wow.
I was asking questions because I want to know why you take the position you did. That is all. It wasn't flame bait, just a call for you to reread the original post, and see if it was worth insulting people, and accusing them of being racist.

I had written a reply that included the words "sorry". However, I am not sorry.
You insult me, and others that post in this thread. You accuse us of racism. This makes my blood boil.

All I was doing was pointing out that you were being vitriolic and intolerant.
I am saddened. I shall desist from posting on this topic again.
KF.

Dave P

Firstly I read Gary's original post all the way through, nearly missed my train because of it, but as luck would have it a lightning strike at Cannon Street put the whole service up the swanny and it took me an extra 50 minutes to get home. The lightning strike they couldn't help, the total incompetence and miss-information that followed they could.

A very good piece of work Gary, it made me smile as in my opinion it was a classic. I would guess a little tounge in cheek, but maybe not. It did largely point out all the bad things about living in the UK these days. That said I would guess that given the choice most of us would still rather live here than any other country in the world. I maybe wrong and stand to be corrected on this.

The great thing about our country is freedom of speech and a democratically elected Government. I for one didn't vote for New Labour, I voted for William H, so I feel fully entitled, not having shirked my responsibility to vote to have a pop whenever I want. (If you didn't bother voting, you lose this right as far as I'm concerned because you didn't try to change things).

Now Theo to you. Just to set some things straight:

I am white middle class.
My details are fully available in my profile (or should be).
I am not racist.
I am a UK Citizen, resident and Voter, your profile indicates you are not!
I do love living in the UK and feel it necessary to defend Gary and some other residents of these fair shres with some FACTS:

-The trains on my local rail line were built in the late 50's. FACT
-Out of 8 rail journeys last week 50% were over 10 minutes late, on a 50 minute journey. FACT
-I received a parking fine and was not illegally parked. FACT
-It took my mate 2 hours to travel 38 miles by car to see me last weekend. Av Speed 19mph. FACT
-Only the week before last it came to light a High Ranking Police Officer had been let off a speeding ticket because he did not know who was driving his car. (Illegal for the rest of us). FACT (as reported)
-We pay tax on our airfair tickets and life insurance. FACT
-BSCE is still not erradicated months after it's outbreak. FACT
-There was a stabbing outside my in-laws just last weekend. We are a small community of just 22,000. FACT
-A friend of mine's nephew was left brain damaged by the MMR jab. Proven because they got compensation!! FACT
-Fortunately CCTV caught the prankster who stole Sir Arthur Conan Doyles hat from the town centre. However another aquaintance is being accused of a crime, but the CCTV tapes defending him have all vanished. FACT
-Chewing gum on my car mat... again. FACT
-A freind of my wifes once went looking for a guy with a gun... The other chaps crime, he sexually abused my wifes freinds 3 children. But all's well that ends well the abuser got a six month suspended sentance. FACT
-There is no doubt that the UK's manufacturing base has declined, but some may be suprised to know how much of America we own.... Vodafone(UK) Airtouch (US), BP (UK) Amoco (US).... and so on. FACT

And finally Immigration..... The UK has the lowest unemployment rate for years (I think it is probably the lowest in Europe), less than 1 million. Yet the population is forecast to hit 60 million shortly. This means the vast majority of us are working hard and paying taxes. We are not fully paid up members of the Social Chapter, so many of us work very long hours. FACT.

Our reward, if this is what you wish to call it, is high employment, and largely high inward investment. Partly because of this we are able to pay some of the most generous social benefits in the world to our residents, including, health, housing, pension, unemployment etc. All of us, WHATEVER creed or colour, resent working hard to be forced to feed and clothe peoples from other countries. I use the word force, because as a nation our ability to donate chariatably, our money is unquestionable. You only have to look to Live Aid and more recently events such as comic relief to realise that we don't mind giving to others, but just on our terms. I am mindful that British Troops are often the first to be sent to the World's flash points when others sit on the fence taking a wait and see attitude. FACT and MY OPINION AS A RESIDENT.

Illegal Immigration is a fact of life here at the moment you only have to walk the streets of London to realise what a big problem it is, you can't sit at a table without a foreign child asking you for money, and swearing if you don't give any. FACT

I shall respond as and when I see fit.


Dave

RussP

Try looking beyond these shores and it puts things in perspective. I was in Kosovo, Albania and Macedonia last year and I think they would disagree on your negative view of life in New Britain.

Sid[/B][/QUOTE]

Surprised they can remember what Kosovo's like.... most of them live here in Margate Nowadays!

Shark

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Luke:
<B>"GOD SAVE THE QUEEN"[/quote]

Well said that man.

David

Hollywood

Some of these postings are just laughable. What do any of you lot know about asylum seekers / refugees / freeloaders whatever you want to call them? Anyone been to Afghanistan or Iraq? Didn't think so. Anyone met an asylum seeker? Didn't think so. Why don't you stop hiding behind your comfortable liitle lives with your comfortable (well Ok maybe not) cars and get things into perspective? The original post was just a huge joke - GaryC you make it out like you're living under threat of persecution - get a life, just because your lot didn't get in at the last election... Pity the country when they do...

For F**k's sake people start looking at the bigger picture. How wealthy is this country? How many refugees did we take in this last year? No really, not what the Express or the Mail tell you, how many did we really take in? And then compare that with how many Iran and Pakistan take in with a fraction of the UK's economy. And then go back to my last paragraph, how many of you have met an asylum seeker? I haven't.

Most of these things are IN YOUR HEAD. You believe anything the press feeds you, if you're already that way inclined. I read and re-read GaryC's post and all I can see is a bitter man! Hey Gary, surely it's not that bad! I can only speak from personal experience, but - since Blair became PM, I've got wealthier! Yee-ha! And I've not been stopped for speeding once! Yee-double-ha! You know under those miserable Tories I got 6 points - It's all Thatcher's fault you know! The point is when I was at school and we were under seemingly endless Tory rule, I would have written a post like GaryC's but from the other side. And yet when you look back, you think - well that was a bit of an over reaction. Which I'm sure is what GaryC will think when he re-reads his post a few years from now.

Unless he's emigrated of course...

PS Sorry if this is a bit late on in the thread, but I've only just read it and it made me laugh.

Nick

GaryC

I thought the BBS had lost its sense of humour (and irony )

skipjack

point of definition

1. An economic migrant is someone who leaves their country of residence to seek improved quality of life and a chance to use the skills they have acquired - or in order to acquire ones they are unable to in their own country. They often have skills to offer and will typically be working in the country they migrate to - and contributing to the economy through the taxation system. They come in all colours and go to all manner of countries.

2. An asylum seeker is someone who leaves their country of residence for fear of persecution or death at the hands of the state becuase of their religion, politics or, in some cases, sexuality. They are, to all intents and purposes, on the run for their lives. Again, they come in all colours: most famously Russians fleeing the former Soviet Union; Germans and other European Jews attempting to escape the *****; and Ugandans fleeing Idi Amin.

3. An illegal immigrant is usually neither of the above, and as such and by UK law, should not be allowed qualify for residency in this country.

Now will someone please implement a sensible policy that follows the above clear and fair definitions.

GaryC

Hollywood - I'll have some of whatever you're smoking

With a country partly in recession, and heading further into it, the average wage earner just under 10% WORSE off compared to the last full year under the tories, the stock exchange crashing weekly (now lower than it was over 6 years ago), total taxation higher than any other 1st world country, the govt about to sell out to the Germans.....and you thinking it's all rosy because you haven't been nicked under New Labia Pass the hallucinogen around

Last year I paid over 65% of my gross wage in direct and indirect taxation. Still think we live in a fair country?


Bytheway - the original post wasn't my own composition and was intended as a humourous friday afternoon read - albeit with many a true word said in jest. The fact that so many have jumped on it from both sides proves the problems this country faces

Darren Thompson

Gary C's first post was a bit of fun and it seems to me some of you out there are loosing site of the FUN bit of the post.

We all know there are worse places to live and this is proved by people wanting to escape there countries risking there lives to tie themselves to the undersides of lorries, still all the European Governments should do more to help and not just push them on to the next country !!!

As for Gary C's last post again there is no arguing with that either.

Darren.

letdown

Couldnt agree more Gary.
The one that gets me is the so-called asylum(sp) seekers. I know of an 2 areas in Southend that have become complete no-go areas. And to top it off the poor people who live in those areas cant sell up and leave as know one will buy their houses. So they have the daily ritual of abuse and theft.
Im speaking from local experience before anyone throws their toys out of their pram.

robski

Gary,

was a classic, and I laughed with humour and unfortunately sadness at the same time as I agree with most of what you said.

This country has got worse and better, what REALLY gets my goat is the muppets who cannot spot the difference between a global and a national infulence. The whole of the developed world has been riding high, so there has been positive benefits to britain, most of these have NOT been influenced by Britain directly, but you could honestly say that the same effect would not have been felt if the tories had not have changed what they did in the 80s and early 90s.
What will actually show if New Labour are capable of governing is if they can keep us out of recession. Sadly I doubt it. I cant see them biting the bullet and saying they are willing to stop all their spending plans (which already are set to cost US about 4p tax in the pound with 2 years), if unemployment rises due to us suffering recession then it will be more than 4p.

Immigrants will always try to move to where its "known" that they are less likely to be caught, and are going to get the easiest ride. Unfortunately this is what britain is seen as.

The French grrrrr. So they set a very poor detention camp up right next to the Euro tunnel. Whilst we think they are thick they aint really, you could say bloody smart.

Public transport in GB is ****e, the only way people are being persuaded to use it is to be forced out of their own cars, not very democratic is it?

General public attitude is deteriorating, just look at the thread about parent and children places for an example. People are more and more selfish all the time, sad but true.

BUT, where else would you go? I cant really see a much better option. US, higher serious crime, recession. Canada, racial tensions never go away. France, too socialist. Germany, maybe. Belgium, get real. Rest of Europe, nah!

All the above have their good points, but so does britain, you just may have to move to get that standard of living that you want, but unfortunately you need money to do it.

Oh and one last thing, a lot of our growth and reduced unemployment has been directly funded by borrowing (we now have Record average personal borrowing as a nation, increased GREATLY over the last few years).
Great, but at some point you have to pay it back, when you start doing that, and stop spending in the shops what affect is that going to have?

robski

DavidLewis

While I believe that all (genuine)asylum seekers should be treated fairly, I also believe that a country should not accept and house asylum seekes until their own homeless are dealt with first. I cant grasp why we have so many homeless people in this country, yet we can house asylum seekers as soon as they set foot on our soil.

Anyone?

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BarryK

But you're missing the point. None of you have any humble opinion worthy of consideration, only racist, homophobic, hypocritical cynicism.

dba

bloody hell,Italy and france are much better places to live imo.Al fresco dinner and cafe-in-the-street culture (without a fight at 11pm).Bliss.Its **** here really.Except Stones draught,Id probbly stay for that

davyboy

These people are so bloody desperate, have a bit of charity.

Your income tax would not reduce if these people did not come into the country.

Really, a lot of people get upset at something that does not directly affect them.

skipjack

muppets. the lot of you. couldn't argue your way out of a packet of crisps.

Stelios

Moderators, please redirect the UK immigration threads to the "grey import" section


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Murray53

Gary.


If you don't like it, get out.

Go and live somewhere else!

Gary Foster

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by skipjack:
<B>point of definition
3. An illegal immigrant is usually neither of the above, and as such and by UK law, should not be allowed qualify for residency in this country. [/quote]

Whoah there !! thats just not true !! an Illegal Immigrant is an Immigrant who has entered the country Illegally

This does *not* mean that they weren't being presecuted in their own country. They may well have a valid claim for Asylum.

And why do they do this ? because countries as per our own make it as difficult as possible to have asylum granted.

- Edited to make my point clearer

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