jamin

Using me brothers email details here.....

I own a CTR and my best friend has just picked up a clio cup on Wednesday.

As far as performance goes I believe there aint much in it (yet to race him)
As far as cars and appearance I dont think you can compare them, if you have a CTR in your rear view it looks the dogs!

Also the interior in the clio is very bare obviously as it is a track car. The CTR has recaros and momo steering wheel etc...the seats in the clio look like the ones you would find in lower models..also it has no spare tyre and hardly any room in the back (you might not want this) Hence a lower price tag of £13k compared to £16k for the CTR.

If your after a track car with performance and not too bothered about looks then go for the Clio. If you want looks and want top end performance with the VTEC engine buy a CTR..Im gonna be v biast but it is one of the best cars out there for the price : )

wilf

Pick up me Clio Cup on 26th October. 2002. Looked at CTR as well but didnt bother cos it was 3k more.

CTR is more grown up sensible option. Cup is a hooligan of a car and all the better for it. Just as quick as CTR Autocar tested 16.7 0-100 for Cup vs 17.5 for CTR. Cup also has better PWR 171 bhp/ton.

Both are ace cars and reasonable Scoob alternatives.

PS I do reckon my old MY00 would take a lead on a CTR. Raced it on separate occasions against a Accord Type R and Teg R on rolling starts and it opened a gap on both.

Cup wont be as fast as Scoob on the twisties but more engaging and challenging. Anyway if I really want to drive quick I'll take the P1

N1 SPAN

Think anyone who has had turbo power misses it when they go back to n/a cars. Beauty with the scoob is the performance is so easy. Anyone can make them accelerate quickly. You barely need to rev them. Overtakes in the scoob are an absolute doddle compared to say an Elise and Pug 306 gti. Haven't driven CTR or Clio and their figures look mighty impressive, but surely 250 lb/ft of torque isn't on their menu!!!! Is that not what makes overtaking easy/fast, in pretty much any gear?

bumcrack

Wilf,,

Was your car standard?

lpitt

Yyyaaaawwwwwnnnnn!!!!

Oops sorry, came on here for some relief, found some sleeping tablets

Well said though fatherpierre

Go to the Scoobynet search engine and have a look.
Go to the Honda-R search engine and have a look.
Go to the Clio Owners search engine and have a look.

Laurence

cjaffray

I've been reading this topic and have to say, Do you folks not Race, I have a UK Integra Type-R and have raced both the Civic Type-R and the Clio 172, the civic Type-R lost, and yes it was on a quarter mile dash, and my mate is a Honda so we have tested it out, and the clio 172, no offence but they are not as quick as they are made out to be, my best mate bought a brand new one and he had an Integra before it and he sold it 2 months after, he now has a chipped Golf Turbo with 190 B.H.P and he has beaten Civic Type-R's on the quarter mile and I beat him by about 2 car lengths and he still says the Golf is quicker than the Clio, I can vouch for this as I whipped him when he had his Clio. I have raced a few UK scoobs and beaten them fair and square, the only reason Honda put a 6th gear in the Civic Type-R is because my Integra is a bit rev happy at 80 on the dual carriageway, becides who races in 6th gear anyway, its who gets there first that maters, its a cruising gear.

Hope this sheds some light on the subject and has not offended anyone.

I have to say I know 3 people who bought 172's and sold them for Civic Typr-R's.

No point speaking about it get out there and prove it.

cjaffray

Just noticed my mate is not a Honda, he is a Honda Mechanic.

RB5#295

Tony,

What can you do with a GTi6 to get more out of it then?

My next car is possibly going to be something along these lines (and probably not a CTR as I'd buy a 172 from a supermarket for under £12k if I was having one).

Fen

TonyBurns

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Fen,
there are a few conversions going for the 306 GTi-6, but the easiest way is just a decat system and an ecu to give you a decent upgrade of around 15bhp.
TB's are the other way to go, places like ecosse and LAD do these but id be weary of both these places as ive heard some bad stories, but the best people to talk to are those on www.peugeot-gti.net (i think thats the website).
Never did anything to either of my 306 GTi's but they are a well balanced car and handle very well (down side is a large turning circle though )

Tony

pisshead

I'd just like to confirm that the 6th gear in the CTR is not a cruising gear at all. Thats a typical comment from someone who does'nt own or understand one.
The gear ratios are so short that your up a gear than what you are in a 5 speed box. And before the usual "rev the nuts for performance" replies start flying across, its FUN to drive!! What F1 car drives round wanting to rev at 2K RPM for power?
As for the Integra beating the CTR, maybe it was the driver or perhaps the CTR was'nt broken in??? Even in Honda's Type R brochure the CTR is quicker on paper than the Teg and Accord. I could'nt prove it though because have'nt been up against a Teg or Accord. I would believe that a Teg could have the CTR around a track, but not by much seeing as the CTR beat the S2000 on track.
Seems to me that there is still a lot of speculation around the CTR. And I would'nt underestimate what a fully broken in one can do. Some standard CTRs have been rr'd (fully broken in) and churning out 200-202 BHP etc. Not much difference but you can see my point.

LG John

I agree with jaffray that the 172 is not as fast as it should be. My old VTS would keep up with them very well. In fact the only hot-hatch I've driven that I'd put my hand on my heart and say would hump the saxo was the CTR - once in the VTEC zone it would rip the *** out a VTS. That said though there is a lot of talk about these Honda's having UK scoobs and I have to say I think a classic shape stardard UK could hold its own against them even when traction isn't an issue.

You have to remember that a lot of scooby drivers are total pansies even at crail, I've yet to crail my scooby but when I do I'll be slip launching and only backing of a 1/4 throttle on changes. I did this away from a motorway roundabout the other day and if it pulls like it did then, I could be looking at some useful times

bluenose172

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I'll just add that I know for a fact that 172's come out of the factory with worrying variations in power outputs! At a recent ClioSport rr day the lowest 172 came out at <130BHP@wheels, and the highest came out at 152BHP@wheels, all completely standard, all on the same day, with the same conditions, kinda worrying eh?

So I'll guess CJ your mate was just one of the unlucky ones, I know for a fact I'd stay with the Type-R til stupid speeds, and pull away from a VTS with considerable ease. It's entirely possible to get a bog standard 172 to do high 14's over the 1/4, fettle with it slightly and your into the mid 14's, add race logic traction conrtol and your into the low 14's. Personally I'm saving for the new V6!

LG John

Maybe a cr@p one but not a good un' As I've always said you'd pull away from my old VTS but you'd have to work your 172's as5 of for it

What V6? Are renault replacing the V6 clio?

bluenose172

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Kenny, Kenny keep up boyo!

http://www.cliosport.net/specs/cliov6mk2.asp

0-60 - 5.5, 155 MPH!!

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LG John

Ooooooh! Hopefully it'll be the car it should have been second time round

cjaffray

Bluenose172,

High 14's, the timing gear must be out, and low 14's with traction control, they don't even crack a wheelspin, unless its raining.