dogmaul

My god is the almighty car god

Im right your all wrong so p1ss off now or i will start to fire

I must admit on the census form my religion is down as Jedi
I have also been christened but thats only so i can get married in church and when it comes to be asked if i believe i will just lie

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

Apparently in one of the old books it says that priests should celebrate.........however this was copied incorrectly to a different version and the word became celibate. You've got to be gutted about that!

Jen

Good Elf - agree with you there, it was only some written 500 years later, most were within the witnesses lifetime - 50 years the longest. Could Mark have been at the scene if he waited 'till 500 years later to write a book?

Btw - you'll find alot if you look for contridictions, you'll find alot of contridicitions in many histoical texts...the bible is full of contridictions due to the amount of time it was written over, i.e. things before Jesus came were alot different to after...I can think of about 3 of the top of my head...you'll also find alot on the web if you look for proof

Oh, and I defend the right of anyone to talk about what they beleive, and I'm not scared of aethests - I married one

Jen

Jerome

For some reason, Quentin Crisp was giving a talk in Nortern Ireland some years ago. He mentioned that he was an atheist. A woman stood up and asked him "Is it the God of the Catholics, or the God of the Protestants, that you don't believe in?"

I'm atheist, but have a healthy respect for others beliefs.

It does annoy me when people hijack their religion for their own violent purposes. Both sides of a war both praying to God for a victory would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

dogmaul

jen was not saying you are scared of atheists but i find alot of people are

jonny gav

iTrader: (1)

i havn,t got time for religion.

Jen

Dogmaul - that's ! It's wasn't aimed at you partic. I've found that happens quite alot too

Jerome, have to agree with the war point

puppypower

Brick

Nice passage but the mention of a "GOD" saying that disturbs me.

Dog

Why get married in church? I don't out of principle go into churches, they are money making factorys for the upper class. I got married in a civil ceromony next to a lake.

Why christian babies? we had a p1ss up for our daughter when she was born.

I believe that to think there is a higher being is the same as your down and out Heroin junkie. He needs his fix three times a day to keep him going. Some believers need that thought that they have someone looking over them to keep them going. Chemical clinical both the same.

We are animals, we made nice things but we are just fluid and flesh and we will die and rot, end of.

PP

Sheepsplitter

I'm amazed in this day and age that so many people still believe in religion. It certainly is the cause of most of the worlds troubles.

IMHO all of the people I know who are athiest tend to be of a much higher IQ than those who follow religion.

It's all a big con put in place by the powers that be to control the masses, and most people are stupid enough to believe it.

Appologies to anyone offended by my statements above, but I have more belief in pixies at the bottom of the garden than an all powerful mega-being in the heavens.

what would scooby do

Just to enlighten you all - Religions are all man made. Before law & order and modern social values, there had to be a mechanism to control the population.

All they needed was FUD - fear uncertanty and doubt.

dogmaul

why would i want to get married in a church well the other half does as her family is religious and it just looks good really and she wants to wear a bloody big expensive dress and have brides maids and all that. and there is just something about a reg office it just feels like no effort has gone into it really but thats just my thoughts

MarkO

Why not get married in a church? After all, unless you're religious, a church is no different to any other piece of architecture!

And most churches are cheaper to hold the service in than, say, a hotel.

dogmaul

exactly its just nicer than been married in some grotty council building

Jen

eh? most churches I know are starved of money. The one I go to puts all money earned into projects for the community, they run a youth club, familiy support centre for disadvantaged, sponsor local schools....seems the norm around here...

It's a well known fact alot of the leading scientists of the time are Christians...Robert Boyle*
George Washington Carver*
Christohper Columbus*
Kenneth H. Cooper - "Father of aerobics"
Michael Faraday*
Jim Irwin* - astronaut, Ark Hunter
Samuel Morse*
Isaac Newton* - inventor, scientist
Louis Pasteur*
Hugh Ross - physicist
Francis Schaeffer - theologian and thinker
Carol Swain - political scientist, author of Black Faces, Black Interests and The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration (a convert to Evangelical Christianity)
Wright Brothers*

...just a few I dug out

MarkO

Another good one: Stephen Hawking (current Lucasian professor of Physics).

But the reverse is also true - just 'cos somebody smart is religious, doesn't necessarily mean they're right. They could just be hedging their bets.

Good_Elf

Initially, thousands of years ago, "religion" or faith, such as it was, was matriarchal, in that women were revered as the bringer of life.

Then along stomped a few Romans and declared women inferior, men to be the Be All and End All and We're Right so Naff Off - oh and we'll put to death anyone who doesn't believe in us.

Niiiice. And thus it began.



You only have to contrast Paganism with Christianity to see the similarities and where certain rites, festivals, times of year, beliefs were "adjusted" to become eeeeeeevil and therefore the work of "the devil". Or wallpapered over to become "Christian".

Incidentally, the Christian Devil is modelled on the Horned God - from Paganism. Only the Horned God in Paganism is the co-host of the religion, along with what is essentially Mother Nature. So you get the Female aspect and her partner Pan - the Horned One, often represented as a stag. Pan is not evil - the Devil IS, because he looks like Pan and Paganism is EEEeevil, because they said so.

Same with Easter - from the Goddess Eostre (pagan)
Easter Bunny - the Hare (Pagan symbol for fertility)


etc.....

Jen

Indeed! Not a bad idea though (d'oh meant to be after Mark O's! lol )

[Edited by Jen - 8/23/2002 11:49:53 AM]

dogmaul

anyway can somebody please ask god to tell me where my printer driver disk is as god only knows where it is

Jen

Good Elf - good points

...The actions of the Early Christian Church in the UK were awful, walking over oher points of view, not catering for the masses (services in Latin), "bent" preists (by this I mean keeping all their money etc.), Henry the 8th essentially created the CofE for his own gains.

...however, all these actions don't change the pure beliefs?

Jen

Dogmaul - check behind your desk,lol, I donno, but that's where mine always is

puppypower

lol

As stated though Dog my Mrs did have a bloody expensive dress and we got married next to a lake in the countryside, not some grotty council office.

PP

dogmaul

oh and for anyone who is interested god is a bloke called Roger Moore and he sits behind me as he just told me where my disc was

Jen

lol - can he tell me why my diary is too?

dogmaul

im not saying you cant have a nice non church wedding its just the dream of a lot of women to have a nice big white wedding in a church and if thats gonna make life easier for me giving her that then thats what she will get

Jen

Dogmaul - glad you know your place

We got married in a nice hotel in the New Forest and had a BBQ and Quiz night afterwards - oh, and a Scoob on top of the cake

[Edited by Jen - 8/23/2002 11:59:15 AM]

dogmaul

he says no only one public performance a day

Jen

Fair enough

TelBoy

Was the disc For Your Eyes Only?

Does he have Gold fingers?

Does he have Thunderballs???

Etc etc...

puppypower

Damn, thats bloody good having a scoob on the cake, unfortunately I was a member of the MR2 club then , so had a bottle of conditioner and brush on top

Anyway off to work now.

No doubt my scoobynet e-mails will be overflowing on my return this PM

PP

Sheepsplitter

Jen: I did say IMHO and of people I knew.
Sorry I don't personally know any of the people you listed, but I do know a number of people (12 actually) who are in MENSA with IQs >160, without exception they do not believe in a god.
Also just because you are a leading scientist of the time doesn't mean you will have by default a high IQ.
Mind you some on the list you picked had very high IQs.

Success doesn't mean high IQ.
For example the most powerful man in the world today (President Bush) has an IQ of 97!! Which is more than a little worrying if that's the best person the Americans can field to be president.