jjr1

Mine is not a company car either.

CraigH

How come if the Scoob is so perfect, so many people are selling up and buying proper cars?

Arron,

Should be next month.......
Not sure if you're chunky mate will fit in

jjr1

not getting a Turbo as am not into 4wd but may get a GT3

chrisp

Scoobs are not perfect we have all been around long enough to know the faults and we accept them, but they scare M3's for half the price . If the M3 seems to be the ultimate driving machine just wondered why Chins now drives a mini and Birdy went back to a 330. Surely its about upgrade and moving on not backwards but each to there own they must have their reasons.

It is also unlikely that a company car M3 driver is going to visit scoobynet just to say "yes I have an M3 and yes its a company car" just to back up my pub stats we are talking about the silent majority here . The only guys I know personally with M3's are the older ones ie 2nd hand and done some serious depreciation or they have got through their company.

Suppose its latest toys for the boys eh .

ChrisP

Adam M

jjr1

nice to see you lurking there! how was your flight? couldnt believe the traffic on the way back from luton at midnight on a sunday!

drop me an email, adammessulam@hotmail.com

I hate threads like this and its a shame you had to come out of the woodwork for this kind of thing!

I do want one question answered!

why have arron and chins bought an M3 then sold it just to buy another one?

is it simply a case of the fact that they can because the depreciation is so low?

jjr1

Nearly missed my flight altogether as the holiday makers were returning North along the coast !!! It was a total nightmare.

As for why some have sold and reordered so quickly, it is because for a while there, you could buy one sell it on and get a newer one, while losing no money on them

The other reason is that a couple were faulty and they needed rid quickly. [wink]

As for Scooby v M3 it is a personal choice and I considered both and the Evo VI all as direct competitors. They may be a lot more expensive but they lose little in depreciation (at the moment) and so work out as cheap to run if not cheaper than Scooby's/Evo's

akshay67

why wouldn't anyone buying a new M3 spend the money on a nissan skyline (R34)?

This is a question. I'd be interested to hear your views.

jjr1

Skylines are beautiful cars but they also depreciate like buggery and do about 12mpg especially if tuned. They are also 4wd which is not a problem to most people, but for me that takes some of the satisfaction out of driving the car. Don't get me wrong they go loony tunes sideways but recovering them does not take as much skill as in a RWD.

Fantastic cars but just not my peronal choice.

PS As for the most fun car I have ever driven that is unquestionably a Caterham. Used to own an Elise and wished all the time I had it that I had, had the ***** to get a Caterham.

Adam M

the skyline is a little dated by comparison with the M3.

it doesnt have the build quality or the interior design.

there are also those who are hard core RWD fans and consider the a 4 wheel drive car to be cheating.

I can kind of understand that point of view.

Add to that those who appreciate a normally aspirated engine from one of the greatest engine building companies in the world and you can kind of understand.

Personally I would take the skyline as where I live, I see 4 to 5 M3s on the way to work each day.

To me, you choice in car should make you feel special or individual. There is nothing worse than getting in a car that makes you feel a little bit special and seeing another 4 or 5 other "special" people on the way to work each day!

TYhe rarity factor will always make my car feel special, and I am yet to cross another on the road to this day after almost 2 years of owning it.

Simon K

Hello,

I dont often write, but felt I had to about this subject. I agree with the chap who said that he hated threads like this. I have a Sti version 6 coup, a twin turbo supra and a e36 m3 evo. They are such all different cars, with different aims / niches, offering different pros and cons.

Comparing a Sti v6 to an Evo 6 is easy, both are the same, but a e36 M3 or e46 evo to a P1 isnt easy.

My sti 6 is the bollocks to 100mph, the grip is tremendous and the surge is addictive. However, after 90-100mph my supra will take and blast past, reaching a terminal speed of around 165-170mph. My m3, well, thats just a quick tourer, like a porker 928 gts. Its fast enough, has good brakes, and depending if you catch a P1 off boost, will beat it especially in the high 120+. But, on the whole a P1 will beat a M3 e36 evo, and I have raced many come to that conclusion.

Also, age plays an important part on which car you would choose. I see the P1 as a young man's car. Its like the young bull, kicking his rear feet to get noticed by the females. The supra and the M3 are a little more mature, under stated, not so aggressive and not so noticable.

If I had to choose one car, to drive all the time out of my m3, sti and my supra then I would choose the supra. It offers the best overall compromise of performance, comfort, running costs and reliability although not as stunning to look at as the other two.

Depreciation isnt as good as you think with e36 or e46 M3. "Supply and demand" and supply of e46 has reached demand. So, you will be effected aswell. I ordered an e46 M3 2+ years ago, number two on the list. When the time came to choice the spec, I had a test drive on a demo car, and although better, wasnt 23k+ more than my e36 IMHO (i.e. was only offered 20K for my e36). I even considered the M5, which although is quick, isnt the sports car you think.

Mind you, at 30, Im now looking at a Merc 500sl. Either a 2rd hand X reg AMG version or put my cash down for a new one and wait the 1.5 years. Yes, not as sporty as the other 3 but more suitable for my wants

What ever the car, lets just respect them for what they are and what niche they were designed for. Some races you will beat them, some you wont, as long as it s fun, who cares.

SBK

CraigH

Agree with Adam for once.

The M3s (for me) major weakness is that it is hard to differentiate itself from lesser cars in the range.

That said, it may be expensive when you compare it to a P1, but at the same time it's a viable 911 rival in all areas, bar looks. And looking at it that way, it's cheap.

Arron - told you Silver was the colour to go for

davyboy

Simon K, their is no need to have 3 cars like that.

Sell me your v6 at once!

ARRON BIRD

Craig going with fat boy to test drive the Radical this Friday
Should be fun.Reckon he`s up for one.

davyboy

With a lot of people on this board, it always comes down to which is better round the twisties.

I must admit I am not a fan of this word, whats worng with calling a corner a corner, plural is corners?

CraigH

That boy has got toooooo much money.

No wonder he's so chubby the amount of pies he can afford

If he can afford the Radical they'll be no reason to buy the Westie - assuming they've got them road legal now.

If you want someone along who can compare the performance of the 2, gimmee a shout "cough"

W9GTR

Craig
Does your CHIN fit in the westie, that is the question?, if it does I reckon my lardy **** will have no trouble
Anyway how the **** do you have time to build cars with such a tight filming schedule now that you have a blockbusting movie on your hands

Waaaaaaagggggggggggggggyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Steve

[Edited by W9GTR - 7/15/2002 7:02:26 PM]

W9GTR

ooooooooooopss
Nearly forgot. I reckon M3 handles vastly better than P1 period. Just a shame it looks like a 318i eh Birdy
P1 is no more like a rally car than my ****'s a kipper. It is a saloon road car just as the Bimmer with the benefit and detriment of AWD. Scooby owners do not have a rally car for the road just one that looks like a WRC contender, when will you guys ever learn.
As a road car a Scoob is good in many areas but designed for a racetrack it most certainly isn't. Next track day at Dono just go stand at the Melbourn loop and listen as all the scoobs crawl by accompanied by a wail of flailing understeer and then come back to me. Still not convinced try keeping up with a Lotus Elise (only 120bhp) and watch him dissapear.
Steve

droid42

p1 is definitely faster than old shape m3(with performance exhaust) as proven tonight -p1 pulled away fromit (admittedly not as fast as i would have liked but a win is awin!)

It cracks me up every time I read a story like this quoted as "proof" that one car is quicker than another. The reason such stories are completely worthless is because they're one-offs, involve different drivers, different cars with different mileages and, most importantly, are completely subjective.

If you want objectivity, look at road test results in magazines. I'm fairly certain that an old shape M3 Evolution (with 0-100 in 12.2s) will outdrag a standard P1 in a straight line. The newer E46 is noticeably quicker than the E36 and most definitely will

Ian.

importsti

W9GTR

Lotus Elise I think not.
So what? Get a Caterham if u want real fun.
I think u are missing the point with Scoobys.

For 15K you can get a good looking STi V5/6 which demolishes the vast majority of cars on the road and can be driven fast by average drivers.

No need to defend the Scoob it's place in the hall of fame of cars is cemented.

Oh yeah M3 or P1? M3 if u have the money. But I'd buy a 911 Turbo (993) for 40 K instead. Leave a P1/M3/EVO eating dust.

P1Fanatic

W9GTR and a £40k bimmer is a better track buy? If u want flat out track speed buy a westie type car or a bike. People buy an M3 cos it is better in nearly every area - maybe not as much as owners would like but then again is a ferrari 3-4 times better than a BMW etc.

If I was spending over £40k the Tuscan would get a look which beats the M3 by over 3 secs to 100mph and handles better on a track as proved by nearly every test Ive read. For £8k or so more than the M3 whereas the M3 only beats the P1 by just over 1 sec to 100.

P.S. Going on WRC regulations I would suggest the P1 shares a fair few parts with the old WRC car - so I shudder to think of the state of your manhood

davyboy

Good, good, this looks like turning bitchy and in to a versus thread, cool

If I had the money I would buy......blah blah blah.

Car x is 1.2 quicker 0-100 so my **** cant possibly stick, and based on that theory my car must be quicker round the m25 in rush hour.

I thank you.

ARRON BIRD

You boys just dont get it....I HAVE HAD BOTH!
And I would never buy another P1......but I am getting another M3.
I wouldnt EVER buy a TVR anything as in my experience with folk who actually own them Blackpool is enough of a hole when you visit just the once to find out but gets even worse when you have to visit all the time cos your car keeps fecking up.
Face it even the humble 911 has met its match with the M3 and the Beemer cost less.
I am however not saying that Subaru`s are **** merely that they fall well short on cubes and quality.
I was VERY impressed with the STI7 and the performance pack and If I HAD to but another one thats what I would get....not another P1.
The STI was much better in all areas.
Craig I want to rag your Wesite
PS hows the box office ratings going

droid42

But I'd buy a 911 Turbo (993) for 40 K instead

Where would you find a RHD, Porsche main dealer 993 Turbo with full Porsche history for £40k???

Ian.

ARRON BIRD

Droid why would I want to when I can have an M3 brand new and better for £40K

Phil M

I think he was quoting importSti's post on the top of page 3.

droid42

Droid why would I want to when I can have an M3 brand new and better for £40K

Even as the owner of a new M3 I'd have to think long and hard before choosing it over a mint-condition 993 Turbo.

Very long and very hard ...

Ian.

P1Fanatic

How do you know the M3 is better, have you owned a 911? If not how can judge when you have made a point that youve owned both the P1 and M3 yet seem to dismiss the 911 without so much as one reason why. Smacks of hypocrisy to me.....

davyboy

Those that have never driven the cars are often the best to comment on them.

Well thats how it goes on this BBS anyway

911 - the history, noise, racing heritage, let me have some

scoobysnacks

Hmmm, interesting....
My view:
M3 - not as quick to 60 as a P1
M3 - faster 60 - 100 and beyond than a P1
M3 - better motorway cruiser than a P1
M3 - more expensive than a P1
M3 - better paint work and 'nicer' interior than a P1
M3 - slower on tight winding roads than a P1 due to less chuckability and less traction, especially in the wet
M3 - faster in long sweepers due to wider tyres giving more grip
M3 - looks as good as a P1? - totally subjective
M3 - Arguably more 'fun' (due to tail outness) and requires more skillful driving to go very quickly, than a P1
What's best then? Depends which of the above is your priority. Simple.



[Edited by scoobysnacks - 7/15/2002 9:58:35 PM]

droid42

Scoobysnacks,

Excellent, sensible post IMHO.

However, a couple of things to say:

1. The M3's stability control (DSC) is very, very clever and it's still bloody quick in the wet. In an EVO group test, the author commented that they believed the M3 would be the quickest car in the wet. The group included a Skyline and RS4.

2. In the wet or dry, the M-differential (still unique I think) is effective beyond belief. After several trackdays, it still surprises me every time I realise how soon I can get the power down out of a bend.

Don't forget ... a 4WD car only has more traction in a corner than a RWD if the RWD was going to lose traction anyway (did that make sense?)

Ian.