andy97

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I bought a tyre plug kit and compressor rated less than 10Amps. As for charging at distance. I carry a 18m extension and charge at rate below cable capacity. I cant see a problem with a 30 or even 50 metre extension uncoiled at 6-10Amps charge rate.

Yes there are so many idiots in the world. Daughter was charging our Leaf in Fulham. It has Shell's first total EV service station. A ICE pulled into the station, started ranting, but quickly left when he saw that fines were being issued for any bay blockers

IdonthaveaScooby

blumin Waitrose and costa , no wonder he left !

IdonthaveaScooby

20k for a new battery ffs

https://futurism.com/the-byte/man-bl...tesla-dynamite

IdonthaveaScooby

Hang on

so its ok to run out of battery but not petrol ??!!

https://aboutautonews.com/car-review...l-this-winter/

NOSSY_89

So with inflation being the highest we have seen in a number of years. price of literally everything increasing including fuel, in your car and at home what are we meant to do. Wages haven't kept up in the slightest and now we aim our sights at the motorist. Some people are struggling as is and don't have the luxury of full tanking so why penalise the people who are already hard up. I know it was illegal to go on the motorway knowing you were going to run out but that is different.

BMWhere?

Don't forget that NI is also set to rise in 2022 and controls on imports from the EU from 1st Jan will push up prices even more. 2022 is going to be financially tight for many in the UK. Nothing to do with Brexit of course

NOSSY_89

If I said I was surprised I'd be lying. In all honesty I don't keep up with Brexit news now, nothing good ever comes from it. On a slightly different note are the Green Grants stopping next year for electric cars.

IdonthaveaScooby

Still get fifteen hundred toword your 65k telsa by the looks of it -subsidizing billionaires , meanwhile house green grants just ended straight

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...time-in-a-year



https://www.gov.uk/guidance/apply-fo...s-grant-scheme


more superglue required

TheVoices

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You get a maximum of £1500 off vehicles up to £32k list price, nothing on electric cars over this price

ALi-B

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The EU (and UK): We're going to ban cars that emit greenhouse gases.

Also EU: We're going to label gas as a green energy

IdonthaveaScooby

So this is from burning crops from unsustainable monoculture and the waste from intensive animal farming practices

im all for recyling / renewables but it feels like a con to me

fpan

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https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...es-2021-12-30/

andy97

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Tesla model 3 no1 car for sales in the UK for Dec21.

IdonthaveaScooby

isnt the whole market for cars a bit flat ?

suspect this is essentailly older poeple cashing in their chips

theyre not going to buying a corsa after all

andy97

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Not from what I've seen, lots of younger folk late 20-40s. driving them. I stopped at Tesla Leeds today and everyone there looked young driving off the forecourt

Mr Fuji

EVs will be good for the manufacturers who have lost custom to premium car makers, as the EVs from Audi, BMW, Mercedes etc have now jumped out of affordability again. Ford may even make a saloon again!

BMWhere?

2nd hand market for EVs will crash once it becomes apparent to the general public you'll be lumped with a £20K+ bill shortly after purchase to replace the battery!

IdonthaveaScooby

I can’t quite imagine how many 25 year olds pay for a 40 grand car …

ALi-B

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Just seen the latest Rich Rebuilds' Tesla V8 episode. At the end they worked out the final weight:

Stock P85d weight: 4953lbs (2246.6kg)

Tesla V8: 3500lbs (1587.6kg)

That's 659kg less! So the Model S's chassis is probably class leading terms of weight vs. rigidity/crash safety. Its just the batteries, motors and all the inverter/charging/drive hardware that makes the thing so damn heavy!

ALi-B

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Bit like used/old private jets and helicopters: You can buy some that are dirt cheap, some can even outperform average civilian airliners by cruising faster and higher and yet costing less than £100k to buy....

BUT

You'll find the logs show that the engines only have 20 or so hours left until a mandatory major inspection/overhaul to maintain its airworthiness, and costing over £100k+ to complete - assuming they find nothing else is knackered along the way. In other words it's only good for breaking for spare parts.

I can see 'leccy cars going the same way. Like buying an old Maserati 3200gt that's got no service history and never had its timing belt changed. Yeah they're cheap...and there's a good reason why.

The big loop hole is the plug in hybrids: When their batteries have worn out to the point they have next to no electric only range, they'll still chug along on the combustion engine but still get the perks of cheap tax and entry into ULEZ zones etc. Despite polluting more; and there's currently no MOT test criteria to properly verify Hybrid emissions, they just need to have no check engine lights illuminated.

There's an increasing amount of scraggy looking old Prius and Insights around here, which I suspect are mechanically/electrically dubious but these remain exempt from any real world emissions testing

andy97

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You are going on the premise that batteries will forever be extremely expensive.

It will always be an expensive component, but not to the point of scrapping a car..

There are already companies who are doing battery cell repair or individual pack replacement for a fraction of the cost to replace a whole pack. This will be more commonplace

IdonthaveaScooby

Dont go out in the snow

andy97

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I wouldn't go out in a supercar whether it had autonomous features or not when snowing. Thats what a Tesla is, a Supercar

IdonthaveaScooby

You wouldnt take the highest selling car in the first month of winter out if its snowing ??.....

ALi-B

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On the average car there's a few things that would still cause it to be only worth scrap value if it's a common major failure component(s).

Main one being a dead engine; Especially if prone to failure, so good second hand units are scarce or expensive (Land Rover TDV6 common example) and rebuild parts are in very short supply or accumulated cost as much as a brand new engine.

With batteries it's going to go down a similar path. True, many can be swapped with used second hand units...assuming controllers will allow coding to a second vehicle without locking out or having to swap every electronic control module from the doner (costly in parts and labour). But when secondhand supply dries up from demand, scrap dealers will profiteer.

Repairs/rebuild in principal always seem easy. If it's a single component that's easily sourced and swapped. Happy days. No problem.

If it's total strip down and replacement of cells that becomes labour intensive..add storage costs of vehicle whilst this goes on (each bay at a garage occupied by pending jobs is income lost for quick turnaround jobs). This is assuming control and monitoring components don't permanently lock out. Either requiring specialist "hacking" at a cost for expertise and cover equipment invested. Sometimes this involves de-soldering surface mount microchips in order to place them in a isolated programming device. Add to that replacement parts may only be sourced from the vehicle manufacturer; And sometimes they refuse to supply or will only sell you the entire unit and not the little broken bit. Aftermarket may help here; But can be prevented by patent/copyright infringements. After all that the repairer has to warranty the work, not just the longevity, but also the insurance liability incase it goes up in flames and that costs. Currently liability insurers are getting a bit twitchy here (Got an EV H&S training course booked for next week purely to satisfy liability insurers) so that also has to be factored into the overheads.

BMWhere?

Great, so you're in and out of the repair center every few weeks as the cells progressively fail and instead of a single huge bill, you get hundreds of smaller bills which ultimately cost more than the full battery replacement in the first place!

andy97

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A battery pack will be performance tested to ascertain the level of degradation. There will be no in and out every few weeks. Those who do a thorough diagnosis, offer a warranty will the those companies that thrive.

Early example. Robert Llewelyn from Fully Charged had his 2011 Nissan Leaf battery pack swapped to a larger 40kWatt pack from a later car. He said he paid £4k for an exchange process. He loves his early Leaf so wants to keep it. Now much happier with performance and range increase.

BMWhere?

Fake news!
https://insideevs.com/news/499301/cleevely-replacing-nissan-leaf-pack/
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It costs £8500 to replaced the pack which is more than the original price of the car!

andy97

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Well if youd like to watch this recent YouTube from Robert for his own vehicle. He exchanged his 24kW for a 40kW battery pack. He traded his old pack which had a trade in value. He states he paid £4k to do the swap. Plus a few figures to maintain a Leaf over nearly 10 years. That was around £200 over 10 years.
So not fake news

BMWhere?

Either way, very few owners would be willing to plough that sort of money into a 10 year old small car. The general public hasn't really become aware of the battery replacement bomb for EVs yet, but when they do, used car prices will tank and EVs will be a big no-go for used car buyers.

Hybrids will fair better as they will still run inefficiently when the battery is dead. For EV owners, there will be a lot of angry people when they realise their expensive EV has become worthless on the 2nd hand market!