Mr Fuji

Been reading some interesting articles on solid state batteries recently, how they offer twice the energy (and hence range) for the same weight, plus they don't have the same limitations on the number of recharges (not infinite, but much better). Ten years is a long time in technology, will be interesting to see where we actually are when this comes into force in 2030!

andy97

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Rumors before Tesla's battery day in September that they had developed a cost effective d solid dry cell, but tabless was their big announcement. Still with some performance improvements.

With more and more governments giving a date to stop ICE sales I anticipate alot more battery announcements

BMWhere?

I suspect in 10 years time, the battery replacement cost bombshell will have hit and nobody will be buying 2nd hand EVs, so the market will collapse.

By that time, Hydrogen should be fully online and that will be the vehicle of choice! BEVs will only be a stop-gap until Hydrogen fueling networks are expanded.

Saying that, the UK is still likely to be flogging the dead BEV horse long after the rest of the world has moved on!

andy97

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You're right there will be a huge backlash if recycled batteries and replacement are ridiculous in price. Necessity will probably bring those doomsday scenarios to nothing

mrtheedge2u2

I think BMWs announcement that their batteries will not use precious minerals/metals and **** on the distance of Tesla and other rivals batteries was a big announcement for the recyclability of batteries

BMWhere?

EU and China are getting fully behind the Hydrogen future...
https://www.h2-view.com/story/plans-...hydrogen-week/
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/11/22...ps-at-sea/amp/

Meanwhile in the UK its down to private investors to realise the future while the government (and Andy) continues to flog the dying horse!
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/br...112831026.html

andy97

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I did say 10 years for Hydrogen to get going. That seems to be what the article is suggesting.

Hardly can say a dead horse, EVs are already here, rapidly increasing in numbers and variety


In the meantime, there are some angry deluded drivers out there aswell as idiots all caught on Tesla's built in cameras
https://insideevs.com/news/456128/vi...pickup-flying/

andy97

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Just watched fully charged with a Ferrari 308 GTS EV conversion. Its faster, significantly, like half the time to 0-60, lighter in weight, more range than when an ICE vehicle. The owner is now adapting for a winter battery storage when not in use with electric feedback.

IdonthaveaScooby

Total sacrilege , saw similar with sixties Alfa gtv

But if you want throwaway the value And sound like a milk float then little choice I suppose

mrtheedge2u2

Ok, will bite. How much did that set him back to convert? Did he have to buy a Tesla to be able to rip it apart for the batteries?

andy97

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He owned the Ferrari since 1990, the conversion company sourced a Tesla rear performance motor and batteries. He spent £60k, £10k of which was for restoration and suspension upgrade.

His use before conversion was 8 miles a year, now its a regular spring and summer car.

He sold all the parts back into the collectors market so recouped a fair bit there.

Its taken a garage queen and made it useable and reliable

andy97

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We have been doing a fair bit of mileage taking a longer loop for school run due to road issues. So we are doing 160miles a day. This morning I had to slow downto to a crawl for one mile due to a truck breakdown.

In that time my range increased 4 miles. You wouldn't get that with a ICE car, infact the ave mpg would plummet.

IdonthaveaScooby

Not everyones school run involves 160 m round trip ...

Very bad for the planet !

BMWhere?

Nail on head with that one!

It shouldn't be a question of looking for greener alternatives to maintain the status quo, we should be looking at changing the status quo to be greener.

Instead of replacing the car with a greener alternative, get rid of the car, or at least reduce our dependency on it!

I'll be moving into my new house next month, instead of 20km car commute each way, I'll now be 3km on the bicycle or two stops on the bus! I can even walk to work in about the same time as it currently takes me to drive!

There is way more that we can change in our lives that have greater positive impact on the environment than simply switching away from an ICE vehicle!

NOSSY_89

Sorry, I've kept out of this for so long but is that an everyday thing. Are there no schools closer. Your school is 80miles away and you do that everyday. Are you mad.

How many cities away is that from you. And what about the catchment area

andy97

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Our house move didn't go to plan, hence the distance, new farm is much nearer.

Remember, I'm using an electric car, much much much greener than doing same journey in a ICE vehicle.

mrtheedge2u2

Thank God for that. I was worried it would be out of reach of normal, everyday people. But now we know it only costs 50k (excluding buying the car etc) in the first place makes it very very easily affordable.

NOSSY_89

But really?

When you factor in the rare earth metals, not to mention the source of where your electricity has come from. Wars that have been started and governments that have been overthrown to get those materials for corporations.

The margin on petrol/diesel cars is far greater than it is on electric cars. An over simplification but think pence on the pound vs 10s of pence on the pound. Years of refining the manufacturing process and supply chain. In the UK not everyone has a drive. Look at the Big cities, London and Birmingham where property prices are through the roof and parking is at a premium. Majority of reports etc about EVs are mainly based around the US market. Remember, they as a country are very young, they haven't been around that long at all. Where the EU countries have been around for centuries. The US was built around the car while we decided to fit it in.

My opinion is for this reason the like of Toyota, Nissan etc who could quite easily be a real competitor in alternative fuels are holding out till Elon Musk makes Tesla put all their eggs in one basket. It looks like Hydrogen fuel will be the better option.

BMWhere?

Corrected for accuracy!

ALi-B

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And there lies the prime reason why so many classic sports cars end up running and driving like bags of shyte.

So many ‘enthusiasts’ buy these cars without the time or knowledge in keeping them running properly, as such they end up with ethanol corrosion from using modern petrol wrecking the entire fuel system (steel tanks, rubber hoses, o-rings, brass and aluminum in pumps and carbs/injectors. The results is they get fixed and tuned by a professional, then the owner totters about and then parks it up without brimming the tank (air space in the tank allows moisture ingress due to the ethanol). Plugs foul, carbs go out of sync, jets/injectors clog, pumps stick/sieze, so 12 months later it’s all back to square one.

These types of people are poseurs, they just want the looks and image of owning a particular type of car but non of the stuff about actually driving them properly or keeping the maintained (usually these cars are accompanied by bodywork full of filler and dodgy patch welds under that gleaming paint from iffy ‘restoration’ work...I call them pigs with lipstick ).

Happened to me with a customer’s AMG 500SEC, spent weeks cleaning rust and corrosion out the fuel system, replacing perished pipes, o-rings and sorted out the metering unit (jetronic mechanical injection). Gave him strict instruction to only use Esso super (ethanol free) and brim the tank before storing.

Nope he left it on dregs again (as he did before) with Vpower (he thought shell super would be the same, alas no). Rust forms in fuel tank in the air space that sloshed about when he next used it contaminating the filters and messed up the metering unit again. Petrol I sucked out looked like an alcoholic’s p*ss after two weeks off the wagon. What a t**t.

Some think that starting and letting it idle in garage helps...no it just fouls the plugs and sends moisture into the crankcase. So now you have moisture and unburnt fuel in the oil which then attacks the bearings and journals. Then they wonder why tappets stick or a big end starts knocking after so few miles after a rebuild. These cars need to be used, and properly used. So sadly, for the poseurs that have no idea of what’s under the bonnet, an electric powertrain is a inevitable reality.

Personally though I’d mothball the engine on a stand in a humidity controlled glass case and centre it in the middle of my living room.

IdonthaveaScooby

Wow , i assumed he made a slip up / perhaps combining with work


i feel any green credibilty has slipped through the floor

andy97

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Tell me how many grams of CO2 emitted from an average car would emit per 160 mile journey?

My car emits zero, even charging is from renewable sources.

Significantly savings like 30kg per journey saved in CO2. in the region of 10 tonnes saved per year

Then shall we talk about Nitrogen Oxides, soot particulates

NOSSY_89

You might have solar panels but not everyone does. But then how many people do a 160 mile journey to get to school everyday. If you wanted to be green you would look at a different alternative

andy97

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Best education cannot be missed

NOSSY_89

Ah yes the good old this is the only decent school in a 500 mile radius. Didn't realise there weren't other schools that doctors, lawyers etc came from.

IdonthaveaScooby

He likely believes if he pays enough they’ll have an advantage over the ranks of newly unemployed youth as a result of his brexit wishes ...!

BMWhere?

Tell me what your CO2 deficit is from manufacturing your batteries?
Once you've recouped the manufacturing deficit, then you can start claiming you're saving CO2.

And as we've said before, regardless of what your tariff says, your electricity is not greener than anyone elses, you just pay more so you can pretend it is!

andy97

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I don't need to, I'm way ahead of any ICE vehicle in emissions and savings. Ah, the naysayer is strong in you

IdonthaveaScooby

Over 100g per kilometer

only reason might not is because we import lots of energy ! Thus completely shifted the goalposts

BMWhere?

I'm not a naysayer, I just do my research and consider all the facts rather than jumping on the populist bandwagon with selective truths!