EddScott

Well if it's the old model then its £25K ish for a 5 year old hatchback on a platform that's over 10 year old. If it's newer model then its a £40K hatchback and needs to be asked if it offers £15K more smiles over the S3.

Gambit

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your numbers are a tad high....id be saying closer 20k (as opposed to 25k) and circa 33k (as opposed to 40k) for new platform 1yr/2yr old.

just an option mainly as ive been down the whole what car next plethora as i also thought about changing and couldnt find anything over & above the 330s i have now. Ive basically decided to hold off for a year or so till latest gen rs3 comes down into the 20's price band

10yr old platform wouldnt bother me - id rather that with the 5cyl than a current platform wrx with 12yr old flawed engine design

Example of local to me RS3 pricing

EddScott

When reviewed in comparable company the current platform STI doesn't have many complaints other than better tyres than the Dunlops and need for a stiffer ARB - the case for Imprezas since 1992.

The underlying mechanics haven't really changed since a similar time. Does that matter? Does that make it instantly sh*t? Apparently not given the reviews - outside of the UK anyway.

If I were spending £20K on an sporty petrol Audi, I'd want something a bit special so B7 RS4 would be my choice (Was top of my list before buying the STI)

SmileyScooby

Yeah, as the rear facing car seat is massive and has a support leg...the leg room seems quite a lot more in the S3.

SmileyScooby

In the end, it all came down to the monthlies for me.

lordharding

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I've watched Subaru decline since 2009 and the 2.5 chocolate pistons disaster
Customers had to pay for new engines
When your spending 20-33k on a car you're expect the engine to last more them 40k miles
Petrol costs
Better cars out there
140i 45 Amg type R etc

The enthusiasts have moved on to other marques

rob84

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Just arrived late yesterday evening
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bioforger

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What like you into a run of the mill Honda civic?

drummog

Talked to a dealer today and as advised here there are no unallocated final edition cars which seems a bit iffy as there was no problem getting a new STI and there are 20 to 30 existing model cars still available and unregistered.

Subaru are now doing a dealer deposit contribution for PPI on the existing model.

There also appear to be a lot of 1 to 1.5 year STI's coming on to the market according to my trade contacts.

Something just feels wrong here, that a car with some go faster bits, "the final edition" that was not selling that well in it's "existing spec" and as has been advised above the "PPI payments" were higher than a Golf R or S3 and these other brand cars are probably nicer to live with etc.

OK we know that VW, Audi and Merc are throwing money at PPI sales by quoting very high balloon payments that punters will not pay after 2 or 3 years nor will the trade pay at the end of the PPI for secondhand stock. Therefore in three years or so time there will be loads of stock of large diesel SUV's, Golf R and S3's at some disused airport so as not to tank the secondhand market.

As also advised above, I feel the order book for the final edition which must be to a "named person" is bluff on the part of certain purchasers either in the trade or private purchasers.

If we look about, I believe there will be PPI payment reductions on the Golf R this month and Mazda are now getting dealers to pre register MX5's. OK not exactly the same market sector but no STI, Golf R or MX5 is in a lot of cases a purchase made with the sensible head on.

I think there will be plenty of of final editions STI's on the market in early 2018 from those who did think they were going up in price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drummog

Just looked on Autotrader no shortage of 66 or 17 registered cars with small mileages.

Just putting in 2016 and onwards in Auto trader with Max 10,000 miles and it comes up wit the following but this will be a bit high as there will be the odd Cat C etc in there

STI 33
Golf R 190
Audi S3 150

Oh and two Subaru dealers advising you can order a final edition STI so they must be wrong on that and one has a car in stock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

plenty

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I must admit I too smelled a rat. No idea how many WRX STi cars have been sold in three years but I can't imagine many...then 150 final edition models sell out in days?

fawor

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300 a year and they struggle to sell them,
on ebay is no34- final edition

EddScott

The Final Edition didn't get the Recaros?

The interior parts can't be sourced in the UK - I've tried using genuine part numbers.

Can either import from US or have them re-trimmed here (I'm thinking of having centre console re-trimmed in Alcantara) Have a mate in the US who will forward 2018 US interior parts on to me.

Had a chat with a dude who can re-trim Recaro CS to match the rear seats and can mod chassis rails to fit.

Much cheaper than buying a FE.

Oh, and a set of 6 pots

https://www.jauce.com/auction/n238069719

Subaru US doing marketing soo much better than UK.

lincsnick

I pick my FE up on Tuesday then a long drive back from Scotland. Sod's Law says it'll be rubbish weather and gritted roads! All sold according to the dealer, there are a few cancelled orders floating around though.

WRXrowdy

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Car tax changed in the last 12-18months, based more on list price of car instead of emissions now.

EddScott

I think the post 17s will have a slightly higher resale value as the tax is only £140 a year rather than £500+

bioforger

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You mean just for cars reg'd last year when the £140/yr tax came into force or whenever it was. My '14 is still £500+/yr for example.

EddScott

Yes, sorry. From April 17 although the first year is high, thereafter its £140 a year (currently anyway)

Pre April 17 cars will stay on the higher rates. The new tax rules to counter all the low emission = low tax cars has helped the performance cars quite a bit.

drummog

So if you keep a pre April 17 car or 16 car say 5 years you pay £2,500 VED, on a post April car you pay £700. Therefore a saving of £1,800, second hand prices for 17 reg cars are a bit too new to get a real idea of secondhand prices but a quick Autotrader scan shows.

2015 £21k to £23k
2016 £23k to £26k
2017 but a 66 reg £28k but only 42 miles.
17 reg around 25 cars £25k to £32.5k
67 Reg not Final Edition £29k to £32.5

A 16 car has a years less warranty say £500 and should be say £3,000 less expensive and £1,700 more to pay in VED so we are looking to pay circa £5,000 less than a 17 reg car. The difference at the mid point of the ranges is around £5,000 from the scan.

The 2015 cars the reduction in price starts to flatten out at about £2,000 lower than a 2016 as always there are higher mileage cars at dearer price than lower mileage cars at the same age.

Too new to actually put your finger on real changes in secondhand prices and too many cars still with Subaru dealers that tends to increase the price of the 1 year old cars as to what they would be sold at via the independent car dealer.

Gsi Jay

There are 4 final edition sti's in KT Greens car park, 2 black, 1 white and 1 wr blue one, look quite nice actually, the yellow Brembos look good.

Don Clark

Maybe again in 2020......(although we've heard it before)

The Next Subaru WRX STI Will Almost Definitely Be a Hybrid - Motor Trend

lincsnick

If a hybrid, bye-bye traditional manual boxes.

drummog

Yes Subaru are phasing out manual boxes as they have stated during the summer.

No manual on the new Impreza available December nor on the new XV again similar launch date.

waxil

It does look nice but disappointing limited editition touches. Just a couple of door stickers and gearstick surround??

Lets hope they hold their value RIP

drummog

Not convinced about holding their value in today's, I want it and want it now and do not want to pay up front so I will have it on PCP or PCH.

Far too many cars coming from other companies on a regular basis with less than sensible payment schemes.

EddScott

As the "last" STI they may well become sort after but it will take years. Also, low sales will make them rarer which usually increases values.

PH and Ebay has loads of Focus RS for sale and once the lease deals run out on Golf Rs and S3s they'll be filling up airfields all over the country.

They are just 2018 US versions with the steering wheel on the correct side and a little plaque. Don't think they even got the Recaros. Other than the brakes the only mechanical difference is the diff and I'm not sure how much different it is.

drummog

On Autotrader there are three recent cars for private sale. The majority of the others are for sale via Subaru dealers therefore the three cars reflect what you would get for a car as these people have tried o sell via the dealer network and are hoping for some more Sir!

2015 64 plate 39,000 miles, £20 250 assume £31,000 new, lose £10,750 over 3 years 33% which would be good if they get that but high miles compared to what is available but pretty normal miles for a three year old car. £16,435 at webuyanycar

2016 16 plate 24,000 miles, £21,000 therefore lost £10,000 over 2 years. £17,390 at webuyanycar

2017 17 plate 9,880 miles. £24,500 therefore lost £7,000 over a year. Webuyanycar £20,115

Around 20 or so unregisterd non final edition cars in the Subaru network.

I make no comment on the retained value of the final edition but another poster has advised only 300 cars were imported a year in the recent past. Have these cars retained value been poor or are they average for second hand cars or are they doing better.

Do the panel think the final editions will do better comments please.

lincsnick

Just enjoy driving them while you can and forget the values. Thinking of investment potential is what is wrong with the classic car market although I shouldn't complain, selling two classics has paid for my FE.
I picked mine up yesterday. First impressions are very good, interior quality and fit and finish are a big step up from the RB I had. The ride is surprisingly comfortable and quiet apart from tyre noise on some surfaces. The tweaks to damper and spring settings and extra sound deadening have made a difference according to someone I spoke to who has driven all model years.
It was filthy by the time I got home so I'm glad I picked silver.
Yes, it's essentially a 2018 US car but it's the only way to get a UK 2018 spec car so I think they're justified in calling it a special edition for the UK. I wonder if there will be any grey imports?

drummog

You are a long time dead so if you have it and you want it why not buy it.

riiidaa

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Yay