Peedee

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I would disagree with that. He gave her ample opportunity to answer. It is a 'yes or no' question, and a seriously important one at that. Labour know that issues like nuclear defence are what sways a lot of people, but they decided to send on this blithering idiot to answer questions.....but then it has to be her because she is the shadow Home Secretary, which is worrying. Labour need to actually start answering the important questions. This isn't the first time Labour has failed to answer questions on defence, pressing the button, drone strikes etc. They won't answer them because they know their stance will lose them votes. Anyway, I'll just leave this here....

Paben

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Are you really defending this stupid woman? Morgan is an odious git but his question was simple enough: 'Would you/Corbyn ever push the nuclear button?'

Her pitiful non response indirectly confirmed two facts:
a) The button would never be pushed by Labour, so no nuclear deterent
b) She is a complete idiot

If Corbyn had any sense he would ban her from ever appearing in public again. But the fact that he actually supported her interviews says it all really.

alcazar

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To be honest, she should be gone, along with all the others who voted agaisnt his three-line whip over Brexit.

Apparently, that's their rules...but Corbyn, the hero, the strongly principled man, fudged it. Again.

Can ANYONE seriously vote for this shower? Even if the Tories are awful, could anyone???

EddScott

Not at all. I just think Morgan saw an opportunity to bully her and took it.

She can no more say "Yes, f*ck it, press the damn button and send all the commies to hell!!" then stumble over the question and do her best to provide a non-committed answer.

It's more my unreasonable disgust of the duo of Morgan/Reid than the incompetence of Abbott.


It's almost another in/out vote.

In = Tories

Out = Lib Dem

Guy I work with is voting Lib Dem purely on nothing but the in/out stance of the above parties.

Peedee

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The thing is, if people want to vote labour, that is fine, I've no problem with that whatsoever, but how can even the most die-hard lefty say that what happened yesterday wasn't an absolute car-crash for labour? I'm a pretty die-hard conservative voter, but I'll happily admit when something has gone t1ts-up for the Conservative party, whether it be a PR gaff, publicity stunt gone bad etc. I genuinely don't know how anyone can sit there and say that that yesterday went well for Labour?

Tidgy

With the labour MPs being at odds with the leader (who has the support of the members) why would anyone vote for them? they don't even seem to know where they stand.

Paben

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She could have simply committed and answered yes or no to a simple yes/no question. Either way Morgan would have been left dead in the water and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

EddScott

If she'd have said yes, we'd be talking about the "warmonger" Abbott and enjoying the inevitable red-button-pushing memes with Abbotts face 'shopped in.

Peedee

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No, just her supporters would have been saying that. Everyone else would have respected her for giving a straight answer, whether she'd have said yes OR no.

Paben

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No one accused TM of being a warmonger when she said during TMQs that she would press the nuclear button if the situation demanded it. Are we to pretend that we don't have submarines equipped with nuclear missiles prowling the world's oceans? Unless Labour is planning to disarm those subs (and perhaps they are) then the only logical answer would have been 'yes', the illogical answer 'no', but not fudge and re-fudge.

legb4rsk

Strangely I have seen nothing of this debacle on any of the major news channels,BBC,ITV,CH4 etc. Seems to have been swept under the table..........

Sad Weevil

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39775693

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-poli...erview-blunder

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-poli...lice-interview

Dingdongler

Towardd the end of that last interview it's pretty damn obvious that she doesn't know what the levels of capital gains tax are in the UK. Shocking.

It's really bad news for this country that we have a non existent opposition. My politics are right of centre but the Tories need to be kept in check.

neil-h

It's not a simple yes no question though.

Peedee

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Of course it is, how is it not? Yes, the circumstances leading up to pressing the button are wide and varied, but it's a simple yes or no question........would you be willing to press the button if the time arose. It's really not that hard. Theresa May managed to give an answer.

alcazar

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WHY do liberals and left-whingers (deliberate typo) ALWAYS want to fudge the issue and dodge the question by claiming stuff "isn't simple" or that other see stuff in black and white, while they, of course, understand better and see in shades of grey?

It really is the height of arrogance.

neil-h

You're talking unleashing the most powerful weapon in our military arsenal. A weapon capable of killing huge numbers of people and having serious long term effects on the land it's used on. Deploying nuclear weapons isn't something that should be done trivially and boiling it down to a straight yes/no question is massively simplifying what is actually a very serious argument.

You really need to learn to relax. It'll do your blood pressure wonders.

Paben

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That's rubbish. If you have a weapon that you declare you will never use then you may as well be weaponless. If you have a nuclear deterrent then how on earth does it deter anyone if you admit you will never use it?

If Ms Abbot meant that under certain circumstances these weapons would be deployed then her answer should have been 'yes'. If she meant they would never be deployed under any circumstances then her answer should have been 'no'. Then the voting public would understand where the Labour Party stood on the defence of the UK.

Peedee

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I know what a nuclear weapon is and what it does. I will direct you to Paben's reply just above this, he's hit the nail on the head. We all knows it's not something that would be done lightly by any leader, that's a given, but when the time is right I.e there is deemed a serious enough threat to our country (someone uses a nuclear weapon on us), would she launch a nuclear strike. Let's be honest......her answer is 'no' because Labour wants to scrap trident completely, but she knows if she says no on national TV, Labour will lose votes (I would happily bet that the majority of people want a nuclear defence capability), so she doesn't give an answer. It's a bit of a lose / lose situation for her, granted, but she didn't do herself any favours. I would rather jump off a bridge than vote labour, but I would have genuinely had a bit of respect if she'd have given a straight answer, even though I wouldn't have agreed with it.

alcazar

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This^^^^

And neil: my blood pressure is spot on for my age, checked last week at a hospital appointment to remove a small cyst from my eyelid.

Thanks for worrying

jonc

Diane has another go with some numbers.....
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-losses-video

alcazar

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Interesting interview.
Asked about Labour's nett losses, she glances up and to the left: just about to tell a lie.

And is immediately caught out.

Liability.

jonc

Is there no end to her ineptitude?! Forget Labour's policies, Diane Abbott alone is enough to put you off voting Labour!!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7774626.html

dpb

We think she unfortunately may have bit the ole dementia coming on

JTaylor

When I put my cross next to the Labour candidate on Thursday the thought of Ms. Abbott may cause me to swallow a little vomit. Inept. Silly accent, too.

jonc

I shudder at the thought of her becoming Home Secretary, especially in light of the recent terror attacks.....

Paben

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I wouldn't leave her in charge of a class of 5-year olds, let alone the Home Office. The thought of Corbyn as PM is actually worse though, as those two would then occupy two of the four most senior cabinet positions. Bloody hell, you couldn't make it up!

Paben

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You're fxxcking mad

JTaylor

The more I look at Abbott's glaikit expression and hear her faux posh accent, the more I think I might be.

JTaylor

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politi...20170606128946