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I've recorded 3,800 lumens on my E14 II and around 1,800 after 30 seconds. It's a serious light, but fcukin heavy. Emisar is smaller and lighter so I really can't wait, just hope I don't have the usual postage ****-up's from the USA.
I've just ordered the Emisar 219C too and short tube, gonna solder a keychain link onto it.
If mtn elec, Richard is very good and should have it from shipping date, 6-10days. I decided to go direct to int outdoor, also less chance of customs .
I did not bother with the 18350 or 18500 body, simply 2 reasons. Main one was it just eats through an 18650 vtc6 or 30q in minutes never mind an 18350. Also personal here, just dont like the look. But damn, killer key chain for sure!
Ano is nice, but not HAIII by any means, it will come off easy living with keys, just a warning if that bothers you. Just make sure you lock out at tail cap, this light gets very very hot fast and could easily damage something(even with the clever UI stepping/ramping down quick).
A lot has gone into this light, UI, design and components. Simply put, you would struggle to get a better light(internals as well) for the money. On lower levels it can be used as a normal edc etc.(up to around 600lm is its limit for heat due to size).
Enjoy!
Oh to add, this is the 1st light i have actually burned myself with OUCH!! Being a muppet and doing an iron fist impression, it burned my fingers/hand from the front!
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When the light gets too hot does it ramp down to about 140 lumens. Or does it depend what you set the thermal limit at?
Last edited by RS_Matt; 23 August 2017 at 10:03 PM.
I ordered from International Mountain Electronics.
Your item departed a transfer airport in HEATHROW, LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM on August 22, 2017 at 1:51 pm. The item is currently in transit to the destination
When the light gets too hot does it ramp down to about 140 lumens. Or does it depend what you set the thermal limit at?
Its comes set at 45oC but there is a 10oC variable. On standard thermal setting mine with the 219c takes around 12s before stepping/ramping down. Well within 1m, its anywhere between 300-600lm(our eyes are a poor judge of lumens).
From cold and off, click 10+ times and hold button down. It will blink out the temp setting( 4 flashes, then another 5 for example). Then keeping button held down all the time during this, it the flashes rapid for 2s(if you release during this, it sets temp to max 70oC). Keep hold through the fast flashes and then it goes to turbo/max. Keep held down till it gets hot or the temp you want it to be at................By releasing at that time sets the temp manually to your hand and blinks out new setting temp before switching off.
Now if you double click for turbo again when the light is warm/hot it gets super toasty, so be warned.
Make sure the high drain cell is charged up, you can get it to 3.6v in no time(like a minute!!!) . Crazy max is just for fun. The UI is pretty awesome, hold to ramp, the little blink tells you its going past 140lm basically. By locking out, lock in it blinks twice and 1 click brings you to this level(140lm). This is a good do it all level imo, useful with no heat issue.
Being small/compact, 5-600lm is about its limit/output with heat management. Still 600lm is not to be sniffed at................Anything over this level will always be short lived due to physics.
Enjoy, it should give you a big Its the craziest little light i have and i have a few................
Can't fcukin wait, I won't be pushing max temp, burned my hand on the X80 tonight!! Hopefully I'll get a little leeway with the cooler 6500k one and be able to push it around 800. I go for walks with my DT70 set to 1000 lumens and it's more than enough. It feels antisocial to go above this level for too long.
Most of my uses are probably this side of 200lm, general or daily work uses. The HDS rotary is still a fav and even though only 200lm(proper calibrated, so probably = 300-400lm of a Fenix or nitecore). Still its nice to have more on tap, even for short blasts. Saves taking the big guns around all the time(convenience to).
I thought the x65vn got hot fast(couple of mins at 10,500lm), but now it feels like forever compared to the D4. Once the D4 has been used(from cold) so 10-15s later the step downs start. Even rested and cooled a little(still warm to touch), it goes from warm to hot almost instant. The body gets very warm within a minute or 2................crazy light. If there was a light to keep away from kids, this is the 1!
Using the rc40vn the other night, around 8000lm on 100% and it can just run and run, gets pretty warm/hot eventually but no issue for this light. Throw wise is around the 500kcd mark(ample for me), spill enough to light up a field. The x65vn is 2500lm more, 5x xhp35 HI V the rc's 5x xm-l2 de-dome, voltage is 16.8v V 8.4v.............certainly feel the heat difference with the xhp35's.
The copper nichia BLF X5 is an impressive light, it's like a mini TN40 in beam/spill pattern, don't think I've ever noticed it get hot or step down, probably because the tiny battery is depleted after 20 seconds!
Yes 18350 will not give it anywhere near what a good 18650 cell can do, eyes are a poor judge but you will be loosing 2000lm ish(need 4x the lumen to appear twice as bright). For me its compact enough in 18650 form, with the benefits of a bigger tank. I can get through a 3000mah cell very quick(minutes), so 18350 is no use for me.
During autumn/winter i tend to edc in my inside coat pocket, so size is no issue. For key chains, i prefer 10180 size(car keys). Work i have AAA lights i swap about, but carry 18650 lights in pants pocket.
Sounds like your meter is reading high, iirc it should be around 4200lm for a few seconds before the step downs start. The 219c is very hot fast, but i like the clean tint free beam for accurate colours.
Might get the 4000k xp-g2 at some point, for that slightly warm beam. Its a crazy fun light either way, still very useful on lower levels. Love the UI, works great without any complications ...........
Sounds like your meter is reading high, iirc it should be around 4200lm for a few seconds before the step downs start. The 219c is very hot fast, but i like the clean tint free beam for accurate colours.
Not a factor, at immediate turn on It's reading twice as high as the Olight H2R, Manker E14 II and DQG 22650, all certified 2,400 lumen lights.
ToyKeeper didn't use VTC5A which boost Vinh torches massively and I tested in 10c weather which I doubt ToyKeeper did.
power wasn't much higher than 4200 with my VTC6.
I've just ordered a 3rd!!!!
https://youtu.be/jFxaEI1hOJc
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Only xpl HI i like are 5000k and the 4000k, much over the 5000k and too cool for me(colours can be washed out..............does not bother everyone).
Have a few quads, some have the xpl HI 5000k in and iirc over 3000lm and heat is handled better in the p60 hosts(surefire).
Yes the 219c is crazy hot, but if i need 4000lm for long duration's, i just grab a bigger light to handle it. Even if the d4 could handle heat, an 18650 would be down to 3v in no time of which the output would be a lot less than 4000lm anyway.
As it is, a fun little light with 4k on tap for short bursts, 500lm ish for longer duration's which is plenty for most applications.
I obviously like my big lumens, but i am far more interested in beam/colour temps these days. After all, i dont care about lighting a field up if its icy cold and washed out colours. I would rather light a bit up and it be easy on the eye.............subjective of course.
Happy medium would be the 5000k xpl HI but i have those coming out of my ears, so the xp-g2 4000k for a little warmth in the beam may be my next.
Tested the 219C at 4,000 lumens tonight with VTCA5 (3800 with VTC6)
Surprising thing is is that with a Keeppower 18350 battery the 219c knocks out 3,400 lumens.
I've done a heat test too v all the other notorious hot lights and it was the hottest after 30 seconds. The X80 came close! The D4 is actually cooling at this point as it's stepped down a lot. Something I don't like is when it steps down to 100odd lumens it doesn't step back up after cooling
Always hard to judge on a monitor, plus cameras are not very accurate to what we see by eye. I have found using a few different ct's, they make our eyes see colours/tints different. Hard to explain, but to get use to a certain ct, just use that for a while. Using a warm, then cool can make it blue, using a cool then warm can make it yellow or even orange.
The olight looks real nice! If you like that ct, check the xpl HI 4000k and although not as bright, the 219b 4000k . Latter is real nice for close up work and edc type applications. All subjective again though
Think Maukka measured 3800k for the Olight H2R, advertised at 4500-5000k I believe, it's a good durable light tbh but not as bright as the D4's!
My camera is pretty accurate tbh, I film in 4K with white balance turned off. It makes street lights appear a little red but once lumens increase it becomes very very close to what I see. My 1080 vids on youtube capture light better but colour goes out the window. Everything looks 6000k
Tbh I like all tints in the lights I have, WW to CW, of all my lights only the D4 6500k feels like strong moonlight and not sunlight, but it's so bright and cool operating I don't care. The only issue is the tint variation in the X45, lavender spill, yellow hotspot.
When you fire up a high end cool white light up next to a mates blue tinged £10 special it instantly looks warm and linear lol.
Last edited by RS_Matt; 03 September 2017 at 11:46 PM.
Ha ha yes, sure makes those cheap chinese junk look..............well junk!
I have a few CW and not too bad, the tk75vnQ70 is cool and xhp70(dome on). Defo cool side, but not blue or washes colours out too much. If i could pick, 5000k would have been preferred. Either way i prefer to have some choice(not all the same). My preference is defo 4000-5000k though.
Just been out with my 3 x Emisars and tbh I'm coming to the conclusion cool white is the best light for the addictive "turn night to day" effect. The Nichia is nice but it's not bright enough to get the effect and the 5000k XP-L is way too yellow. The 6000K Acebeam X80 and 6500k Imalent DT70 also trump the 5000K Acebeam X45 for the addictive sunlight effect! Ladies and gentleman I've changed my outdoors tint preference yet again!
219 too red! 5000k too yellow! 6500k just reyt!
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Nice beam pics, got a v54 version today the d4vn. xp-g2 PDT which certainly has a more concentrated hot spot and less spill
Not many of my lights go above 5000k, 6500k bit too cool for me(can stand it, just not preferred as it washes colours out............just like bright day light). Tint/colour temp is completely subjective though.
Night time 5000k is too cool for me, closer to 4000k works better personally. Wont even go into blue tint head lamps on cars....................and people think they can see better lol
TBH I like 5000-7000k for outside and 4000-5000 for inside.
That way I get sunlight temps for a natural feel on my walks and the warmer lights are kinder for indoors and give you that halogen/fire place cosyness.
I noticed the warmer light were making grey footpaths and roads beige outside, almost like sand, it's looks naff. I'm all for showing colours but not adding it! The X80 at 6,000k really opened my eyes to what a CW light can replicate.
Ha ha like it, the most powerful key chain light ever! Dont think the ano will last too long..............not the best ano i have seen. No chips yet but not lived with keys or coins.
ano is ****e. but still a bargain. I tried soldering the ring on, burning my finger was all I achieved. Just used steel putty in the end, holding nice.
I still use the quantum on my keys, maybe AAA size odd time but even that wears thin for me. AAA on work keys is fine, but not ideal for me. The little 10180 lights are good for 100lm ish, plenty for flooding close up with night adapted eyes. But then i always have another light on me(away from keys, as keys just destroy ano).
Looking forward to this D1 when it arrives, should be a pretty cool compact thrower with 43kcd.
Little delivery at work, D4 xp-g2 4000k(like the slightly warm side of neutral for evening/outdoor use) D1 xpl HI 5000k , cool side of neutral...........nice! Well focused hot spot, decent usable spill(no pencil beam). Heat wise not an issue so far, even though tiny, the 1600lm gets it warm but not hot after a couple of mins use.
19 August 2017, 11:52 PM
Its the craziest little light i have and i have a few................
