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Old Oct 23, 2016 | 09:12 AM
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in the big picture just doing hg are not that costly probably around 1500£ or so depending on where you go , if it's a recent build then it should hopfully just need hg done and not valves water pump etc
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Once a 2.5 has been overheated, its a downhill spiral, the block fire face distorts, bores oval & taper easily, even if the head gaskets were not the initial cause of the overheating, they are weakened, it might not fail for weeks or months but the damage is done.
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Old Oct 23, 2016 | 09:26 AM
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yes and no , my fsti over heated , rebuilt at i think 83 k miles it's now on 164k miles
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Old Oct 23, 2016 | 09:32 AM
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sorry but yes i think it will be hg , it sounds like classic hg issues , if you go rebuild route get arp head bolts or similar and cosi or the like gaskets as it helps that bit extra , your bottom end should be fine if it has been forged , the issue you have with yours even as a forged lump if it's putting out that power it's a lot more strain on every thing , if you want better reliability plus fuel economy i would get it down tuned , i recently did a 1 mile drag in a v8 , mines na the supercharged lot were only 20 mph more but were running a load more power mines 500 v some putting out nearly 700 , yes they are quicker but the higher tuned cars get more issues use more fuel so for me it's not worth it , i don't want a slow car either , i bet off the line a heavily tuned car v a standard car with a map yes heavily tuned probably quicker but not much in the time , i know it's been bought up many times , i prefer the 2.5 lump but they have there issues , but issues made worse or more likely with more power , a friend with a similar fsti tuned it all up turbos injectors etc , got problems and crap mpg , he now regrets what he did , it is at the end of the day your car your choice
Yea I appreciate what you are saying but it's just a weekend car for fun so fuel isn't an issue, obviously reliability is but I'm guessing the previous owner just didn't look after it proplery as I haven't had it long. It had been built with 11mm arp head bolts and 1.1mm cosi gasket but only lasted 15k miles roughly. I guess I'm just going to have to get top end rebuilt and look after it properly. Just hope there isn't too much damage to other things too.
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Old Oct 23, 2016 | 09:39 AM
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Once a 2.5 has been overheated, its a downhill spiral, the block fire face distorts, bores oval & taper easily, even if the head gaskets were not the initial cause of the overheating, they are weakened, it might not fail for weeks or months but the damage is done.
So I take it I'm best off not driving hard until I get the work done as this could make things a lot worse if it overheats again?
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Old Oct 23, 2016 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Vxr2010
in the big picture just doing hg are not that costly probably around 1500£ or so depending on where you go , if it's a recent build then it should hopfully just need hg done and not valves water pump etc
Yea hopefully it's just that as everything got done with the build with top end stuff.
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Its no good just chucking new head gaskets on 2.5's as the block & heads warp, people who just skim the heads & refit still have issues a year or so down the road, either do it properly if your keeping it long term, or as most do, chuck head gaskets on it & sell on.
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Originally Posted by MOTORS S GT
Its no good just chucking new head gaskets on 2.5's as the block & heads warp, people who just skim the heads & refit still have issues a year or so down the road, either do it properly if your keeping it long term, or as most do, chuck head gaskets on it & sell on.
It will be getting done properly
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Originally Posted by MOTORS S GT
Its no good just chucking new head gaskets on 2.5's as the block & heads warp, people who just skim the heads & refit still have issues a year or so down the road, either do it properly if your keeping it long term, or as most do, chuck head gaskets on it & sell on.
This.

I cant beleive people dont check and deck the block etc...
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my heads were not skimmed , thicker gaskets were put on and it's been fine , i would not drive the car till its repaired , been there twice now plus one bottom end rebuild , and who knows if you get hg done they could be fine for a long time , sorry to state the obvious slow warm up, and sensible cool down , once coolant is up to temp then same time again till the oil warms up , it takes a lot longer to warm up than most people think , power wise that's your choice it's definitely a factor on a 2.5 or any car
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Old Oct 23, 2016 | 10:09 AM
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on the hg side of this , if hg goes then get a full rebuild done if not already done , my hg was done bottom end seemed fine a year later bottom end went so i ended up paying double
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my heads were not skimmed , thicker gaskets were put on and it's been fine , i would not drive the car till its repaired , been there twice now plus one bottom end rebuild , and who knows if you get hg done they could be fine for a long time , sorry to state the obvious slow warm up, and sensible cool down , once coolant is up to temp then same time again till the oil warms up , it takes a lot longer to warm up than most people think , power wise that's your choice it's definitely a factor on a 2.5 or any car
If your heads & block were not skimmed why put thicker head gaskets on ?


So just because yours happened to work up to now, does not mean it was done correctly, its something I would not do, especially if a warranty is given on such work.
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yes and no , my fsti over heated , rebuilt at i think 83 k miles it's now on 164k miles

Its had a rebuild after it overheated, so how does that mean No it cannot happen.
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Originally Posted by MOTORS S GT
If your heads & block were not skimmed why put thicker head gaskets on ?


So just because yours happened to work up to now, does not mean it was done correctly, its something I would not do, especially if a warranty is given on such work.
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Thicker gaskets are a bodge and the issue is masked at best or you are very lucky that the heads and deck arent warped...

If hg is gone youbwill need a full rebuild, new bearings etc too.
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Old Oct 23, 2016 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Vxr2010
my heads were not skimmed , thicker gaskets were put on and it's been fine , i would not drive the car till its repaired , been there twice now plus one bottom end rebuild , and who knows if you get hg done they could be fine for a long time , sorry to state the obvious slow warm up, and sensible cool down , once coolant is up to temp then same time again till the oil warms up , it takes a lot longer to warm up than most people think , power wise that's your choice it's definitely a factor on a 2.5 or any car
Yea that's what I have done while I have it with the sensible warm up/cool down. Im prepared for the worst now anyway so it is what it is... I tried to save some money and get a car that's already been built but it's come back to bite me on the ****, lesson learnt. I'll take it to a proper garage and get the job done right with whatever it needs and they reccomend.
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Yea that's what I have done while I have it with the sensible warm up/cool down. Im prepared for the worst now anyway so it is what it is... I tried to save some money and get a car that's already been built but it's come back to bite me on the ****, lesson learnt. I'll take it to a proper garage and get the job done right with whatever it needs and they reccomend.
Has the work been done or is it just receipts, it has been known for sellers to lie . . .
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Yea work has been done.
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Yea work has been done.
So why not contact the company who did the work and ask if they think it should last longer then 15k?
Who did the work ?
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Old Oct 23, 2016 | 10:32 AM
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Yea I was thinking about doing that, I think they are a small business in the midlands somewhere from research I've done. They are called PR developments. Surely they will just say it's had a different owner since and blame it on not been looked after properly though.
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there is not a lot about them on google
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Old Oct 23, 2016 | 10:57 AM
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I know they are a small father and son company. There's a link on jap performance parts to them.
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i found the link , nothing to say they are not competent , i would contact them and see what they say , if they are good and are surprised about the failure i would hope they would be helpful
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Bottom ends going, top end rebuilds, skimming heads...what the heck you lot doing to your cars?!? I'm guessing their used for racing, launches or tracks days etc cos if not, if they are daily runners doesn't it seem barmy to spend so much time and money 'fixing' them?

Is it just a 'scooby thing'?
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it's definitely a scooby thing , a good car that has a downside not as strong an engine as
we all want , an all too common issue
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Bottom ends going, top end rebuilds, skimming heads...what the heck you lot doing to your cars?!? I'm guessing their used for racing, launches or tracks days etc cos if not, if they are daily runners doesn't it seem barmy to spend so much time and money 'fixing' them?

Is it just a 'scooby thing'?
or a poor rebuild in this case,
It is the same with all car manufacturers once you start to mod,
and a lot of owners just don`t look after them correctly.
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maybe a poor rebuild , could just be unlucky , as above i would go back to them and see what they say
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Should the header tank be full of water or nearly to the top because it's pretty much empty now? Rad is full and overflow is on full mark but header tank is nearly empty!
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Header should be full overflow shouldnt so i would say you are pushing water into overflow due to hg failing
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Should the header tank be full of water or nearly to the top because it's pretty much empty now? Rad is full and overflow is on full mark but header tank is nearly empty!
as your levels are all over why not drain down into a clean bowl and refill,
follow the instructions and it will also rule out any air locks.

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Originally Posted by JDM_Stig
as your levels are all over why not drain down into a clean bowl and refill,
follow the instructions and it will also rule out any air locks.

^^^this
Good advice,got to be worth a go before you write it off.
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