So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
02 February 2021, 12:57 PM
#6453
The KINNOCKS!!!
I lay alot of blame for the public resentment of MEPs squarely at the feet of his parents! The gravy train and multiple state pension antics they accomplished do little favours for any member of the public. But if his son as an MP wants to right himself on Brexit, he needs to condemn what his parents did in tarnishing the image of the EU's image towards UK Eurosceptics.
Maybe then people would listen to him seriously.
02 February 2021, 01:34 PM
#6454
Scooby Regular
Literally just logged in to see what was happening after a long time away.
Cant believe some of you stupid ***** are still trying to argue that brexit was a good idea
Cant believe some of you stupid ***** are still trying to argue that brexit was a good idea
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02 February 2021, 01:49 PM
#6455
Scooby Senior
The KINNOCKS!!!
I lay alot of blame for the public resentment of MEPs squarely at the feet of his parents! The gravy train and multiple state pension antics they accomplished do little favours for any member of the public. But if his son as an MP wants to right himself on Brexit, he needs to condemn what his parents did in tarnishing the image of the EU's image towards UK Eurosceptics.
Maybe then people would listen to him seriously.
I lay alot of blame for the public resentment of MEPs squarely at the feet of his parents! The gravy train and multiple state pension antics they accomplished do little favours for any member of the public. But if his son as an MP wants to right himself on Brexit, he needs to condemn what his parents did in tarnishing the image of the EU's image towards UK Eurosceptics.
Maybe then people would listen to him seriously.
02 February 2021, 02:08 PM
#6457
Scooby Regular
Easy to throw insults isnt it
02 February 2021, 02:42 PM
#6458
Scooby Regular
02 February 2021, 03:12 PM
#6460
Scooby Regular
02 February 2021, 03:30 PM
#6461
So the EU made a bad decision, which I won't defend. But, they recognised that immediately, reversed it and apologised for it, saying they had learned from it. Can you imagine this bunch of liars and conmen doing that? No! The lies and cronyism continue, unabated, whilst the country suffers.
Typical Brexiteers, you pick on one thing in a sea of otherwise disasterous mire and hail it as proof you were right all along, whilst back in reality, problem after problem emerges, businesses suffer, we are still the laughing stock. Talk about confirmation bias!
As for the current EU vaccination level, what has that got to do with the price of fish? The UK has the 5th highest death rate in the world, I don't see you touting that as a failure of the UK government? Surprised you have tried to blame it on the EU, Brexiteers blame everything else on them
Typical Brexiteers, you pick on one thing in a sea of otherwise disasterous mire and hail it as proof you were right all along, whilst back in reality, problem after problem emerges, businesses suffer, we are still the laughing stock. Talk about confirmation bias!
As for the current EU vaccination level, what has that got to do with the price of fish? The UK has the 5th highest death rate in the world, I don't see you touting that as a failure of the UK government? Surprised you have tried to blame it on the EU, Brexiteers blame everything else on them
02 February 2021, 04:23 PM
#6463
Scooby Regular
So the EU made a bad decision, which I won't defend. But, they recognised that immediately, reversed it and apologised for it, saying they had learned from it. Can you imagine this bunch of liars and conmen doing that? No! The lies and cronyism continue, unabated, whilst the country suffers.
Typical Brexiteers, you pick on one thing in a sea of otherwise disasterous mire and hail it as proof you were right all along, whilst back in reality, problem after problem emerges, businesses suffer, we are still the laughing stock. Talk about confirmation bias!
As for the current EU vaccination level, what has that got to do with the price of fish? The UK has the 5th highest death rate in the world, I don't see you touting that as a failure of the UK government? Surprised you have tried to blame it on the EU, Brexiteers blame everything else on them
Typical Brexiteers, you pick on one thing in a sea of otherwise disasterous mire and hail it as proof you were right all along, whilst back in reality, problem after problem emerges, businesses suffer, we are still the laughing stock. Talk about confirmation bias!
As for the current EU vaccination level, what has that got to do with the price of fish? The UK has the 5th highest death rate in the world, I don't see you touting that as a failure of the UK government? Surprised you have tried to blame it on the EU, Brexiteers blame everything else on them
you seem to be happy to let them get away with even trying it.
Actualy its been nothing but the remoaners picking up one thing, like the whole steel conversation earlier, or did you miss that?
Word oif advice, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
If you really think brexit has anything to do with the death rate you are a proper tit, high death rate isn;t just down to one thing, although the massive infection rate caused by the mote transmitable version is high on the list, our older population, which has been responsible for most of the deaths, combined with higher infections prob is the actualy rteason for it, but hey lets use deaths to try to justfying the siutation eh.
02 February 2021, 04:25 PM
#6464
I never liked his dad, but I don't think you can hold a child to account for the sins of their parents. Actually Stephen Kinnock was one of the few (non UKIP) MEPs who actually had a public profile and did quite a lot to promote the EU, but sadly deafened by the noise of Farage and the anti-EU media! I don't necessarily agree with his political position, but he's always come across to me as a rare type of politician who actually answers questions directly rather than squirm out some party-line pre-rehearsed off topic non-answers that the majority of politicians these days gouge out! For that, I respect him somewhat more than the average politician even if I don't always agree with what he says and he is certainly not like his dad!
Not to forget his wife who compounds the issue....it needs about 11,000 people to donate £2 a month to Save the children just to cover her salary...double her predecessor's salary. Consider this family's multimillion income comes from the back of both public and charity sectors. I think their conscience of benevolence is very skewed to say the least.
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02 February 2021, 04:54 PM
#6465
you seem to be happy to let them get away with even trying it.
Actualy its been nothing but the remoaners picking up one thing, like the whole steel conversation earlier, or did you miss that?
Word oif advice, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
If you really think brexit has anything to do with the death rate you are a proper tit, high death rate isn;t just down to one thing, although the massive infection rate caused by the mote transmitable version is high on the list, our older population, which has been responsible for most of the deaths, combined with higher infections prob is the actualy rteason for it, but hey lets use deaths to try to justfying the siutation eh.
Actualy its been nothing but the remoaners picking up one thing, like the whole steel conversation earlier, or did you miss that?
Word oif advice, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
If you really think brexit has anything to do with the death rate you are a proper tit, high death rate isn;t just down to one thing, although the massive infection rate caused by the mote transmitable version is high on the list, our older population, which has been responsible for most of the deaths, combined with higher infections prob is the actualy rteason for it, but hey lets use deaths to try to justfying the siutation eh.
I said I'm surprised Brexiteers don't blame it on the EU, and the double standard of painting the EU evil empire due to a single event, but don't seem to mind an even more evil and inept administration simpy because they are British 
As for older population, I'm sure you are capable of a simple Google search which will show that countries with older populations than us, and greater population density, have faired much better than us, but don't let that get in the way of your narrative
02 February 2021, 04:57 PM
#6466
Come the EU's almighty f√ck up with precurement of vaccines, not understanding their own AZ contract, unreasonably expecting UK manufacturing to be under EU contract. The EU didn't accept the position and go about a quiet diplomatic discussion. They instead went on a media public campaign to try and bully AZ, and UK government give them millions of vaccines.
The UK, swiftly and early negotiated a deal where they were primary customer and had pretty much exclusive manufacturing rights of the vaccine.
The EU hadn't even a signed off the vaccine at this point. The Germans and French were going about, slagging off the vaccine even though they hadn't officially accepted the AZ vaccine. Both the French German still are threatening sanction, legal action.
This is because they had signed off procurement to the EU instead of their own national medical bodies.
The UK rollout of the vaccine has been a resounding success, much against the rather poor lockdown, immigration control trying to stem the explosion of the pandemic.
The UK has offered to improve the EU manufacturing process having learnt from the 3 months headstart.
The VDL has never apologized for jer actions. Others have but not her. VDL went into hiding, castigated by ambassadors, EU officials, press, and even her German backers. Truly an almighty f√ckup by VDL. Even now she is blaming others for the debacle. Its widely known she hates the British for leaving the EU., its all clear to see.
02 February 2021, 10:20 PM
#6467
Scooby Regular
Where did I say deaths were due to Brexit? I said I'm surprised Brexiteers don't blame it on the EU, and the double standard of painting the EU evil empire due to a single event, but don't seem to mind an even more evil and inept administration simpy because they are British
As for older population, I'm sure you are capable of a simple Google search which will show that countries with older populations than us, and greater population density, have faired much better than us, but don't let that get in the way of your narrative
I said I'm surprised Brexiteers don't blame it on the EU, and the double standard of painting the EU evil empire due to a single event, but don't seem to mind an even more evil and inept administration simpy because they are British As for older population, I'm sure you are capable of a simple Google search which will show that countries with older populations than us, and greater population density, have faired much better than us, but don't let that get in the way of your narrative
It's still surprising that you can't accept your in the minority.
I see how you ignored the much more virilant strain bit of what i said, which was specificly it is down to various reason and not just one thing.
So you cheery picked one part and ignored others cos google told you so,,, lol good job, good job
03 February 2021, 02:33 PM
#6469
Actauly if you look at it your all blaming brexit for eveyrthing, so its not just one thing lol
It's still surprising that you can't accept your in the minority.
I see how you ignored the much more virilant strain bit of what i said, which was specificly it is down to various reason and not just one thing.
So you cheery picked one part and ignored others cos google told you so,,, lol good job, good job
It's still surprising that you can't accept your in the minority.
I see how you ignored the much more virilant strain bit of what i said, which was specificly it is down to various reason and not just one thing.
So you cheery picked one part and ignored others cos google told you so,,, lol good job, good job
You are making this a Brexit thing, not me, it just so happens it came from a post about the EU and the vaccine.
03 February 2021, 04:38 PM
#6470
Scooby Senior
I haven't once blamed the pandemic on Brexit, feel free to point that out. It just so happens the people who delivered Brexit are the same people, but if this shower were in power and Brexit had never happened, the outcome would be the same. I ignored the more virulent strain as lots of countries have it, and there are other virulent strains that did not originate here, so not really relevant. Also, we had one of the worst death rates in the world before those strains evolved, but we still had the same demographic, so please explain again how countries who are older and denser than us are doing better?
You are making this a Brexit thing, not me, it just so happens it came from a post about the EU and the vaccine.
You are making this a Brexit thing, not me, it just so happens it came from a post about the EU and the vaccine.
Regarding the EU handling of the vaccines, yes its not been great, but there is no requirement for EU countries to source their vaccines collectively, each could have and still can set their own vaccine strategy as Hungary has actually done buying the Russian vaccine. So it would be wrong to say that the relative UK success is a result of leaving the EU because the EU would never have restricted the UK from doing its own thing anyway.
The enacting of Article 16 of the NI agreement also wasn't the smartest move from VDL, and had she properly consulted the EU leaders before hand, it almost certainly wouldn't have been done and was very quickly retracted. However the pressure and the threat of Article 16 certainly had a big impact on the seriousness of the issue and did force AZ (and the UK government) to ensure the EU supply was increased, so to an extent it worked for the EU even if there is some lasting political fallout. The fact is though, the EU was only able to impose the threat of export restrictions because the UK has left the EU, otherwise they wouldn't be able to threaten to restrict export of EU manufactured vaccines to the UK. So in this aspect, rather than Brexit taking back control, the UK has opened itself up to political pressures that otherwise would have been impossible!
Meanwhile the Ulster Unionists are threatening NI port workers because of the border Brexit has created in the Irish sea, effectively cutting NI from the rest of the UK. Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are now begging the EU the extend the phase in period of NI border checks from April to 2023!!!!! The Scottish are demanding another independence referendum which they are almost certainly to win, particularly given how Scotland is hardest hit by the disastrous fishing deal! So much for the EU falling apart, its the UK that is seriously creaking at the seams! Well done Brexit!
03 February 2021, 06:09 PM
#6471
In a sea of problems in the UK caused by Brexit, the Brexiteers are grasping at every little straw to justify why leaving the EU was really a good idea!
Regarding the EU handling of the vaccines, yes its not been great, but there is no requirement for EU countries to source their vaccines collectively, each could have and still can set their own vaccine strategy as Hungary has actually done buying the Russian vaccine. So it would be wrong to say that the relative UK success is a result of leaving the EU because the EU would never have restricted the UK from doing its own thing anyway.
The enacting of Article 16 of the NI agreement also wasn't the smartest move from VDL, and had she properly consulted the EU leaders before hand, it almost certainly wouldn't have been done and was very quickly retracted. However the pressure and the threat of Article 16 certainly had a big impact on the seriousness of the issue and did force AZ (and the UK government) to ensure the EU supply was increased, so to an extent it worked for the EU even if there is some lasting political fallout. The fact is though, the EU was only able to impose the threat of export restrictions because the UK has left the EU, otherwise they wouldn't be able to threaten to restrict export of EU manufactured vaccines to the UK. So in this aspect, rather than Brexit taking back control, the UK has opened itself up to political pressures that otherwise would have been impossible!
Meanwhile the Ulster Unionists are threatening NI port workers because of the border Brexit has created in the Irish sea, effectively cutting NI from the rest of the UK. Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are now begging the EU the extend the phase in period of NI border checks from April to 2023!!!!! The Scottish are demanding another independence referendum which they are almost certainly to win, particularly given how Scotland is hardest hit by the disastrous fishing deal! So much for the EU falling apart, its the UK that is seriously creaking at the seams! Well done Brexit!
Regarding the EU handling of the vaccines, yes its not been great, but there is no requirement for EU countries to source their vaccines collectively, each could have and still can set their own vaccine strategy as Hungary has actually done buying the Russian vaccine. So it would be wrong to say that the relative UK success is a result of leaving the EU because the EU would never have restricted the UK from doing its own thing anyway.
The enacting of Article 16 of the NI agreement also wasn't the smartest move from VDL, and had she properly consulted the EU leaders before hand, it almost certainly wouldn't have been done and was very quickly retracted. However the pressure and the threat of Article 16 certainly had a big impact on the seriousness of the issue and did force AZ (and the UK government) to ensure the EU supply was increased, so to an extent it worked for the EU even if there is some lasting political fallout. The fact is though, the EU was only able to impose the threat of export restrictions because the UK has left the EU, otherwise they wouldn't be able to threaten to restrict export of EU manufactured vaccines to the UK. So in this aspect, rather than Brexit taking back control, the UK has opened itself up to political pressures that otherwise would have been impossible!
Meanwhile the Ulster Unionists are threatening NI port workers because of the border Brexit has created in the Irish sea, effectively cutting NI from the rest of the UK. Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are now begging the EU the extend the phase in period of NI border checks from April to 2023!!!!! The Scottish are demanding another independence referendum which they are almost certainly to win, particularly given how Scotland is hardest hit by the disastrous fishing deal! So much for the EU falling apart, its the UK that is seriously creaking at the seams! Well done Brexit!
The newer AZ supplies sre coming from India to help the EU
Germany is doing a deal with the war crimes country which shoots down passenger planes, arrests dissenters, poison political enemies with nerve agents and invades neighbouring countries. Its like the 1940's. Germany should feel very much at home.
In the meantime UK is following procedure before possibly enacting A16
Good news 10 million have been vaccinated in the UK. 20 million hopefully before end of February
Last edited by andy97; 03 February 2021 at 06:11 PM.
03 February 2021, 06:24 PM
#6472
Scooby Regular
Geez you really need to get real - this is a Pandemic
there's no winners and losers country to country , trade block to trade block
actually disgraceful
there's no winners and losers country to country , trade block to trade block
actually disgraceful
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03 February 2021, 10:25 PM
#6474
Scooby Senior
Ha, now we know BMW, you're EU spin doctor.
The newer AZ supplies sre coming from India to help the EU
Germany is doing a deal with the war crimes country which shoots down passenger planes, arrests dissenters, poison political enemies with nerve agents and invades neighbouring countries. Its like the 1940's. Germany should feel very much at home.
In the meantime UK is following procedure before possibly enacting A16
Good news 10 million have been vaccinated in the UK. 20 million hopefully before end of February
The newer AZ supplies sre coming from India to help the EU
Germany is doing a deal with the war crimes country which shoots down passenger planes, arrests dissenters, poison political enemies with nerve agents and invades neighbouring countries. Its like the 1940's. Germany should feel very much at home.
In the meantime UK is following procedure before possibly enacting A16
Good news 10 million have been vaccinated in the UK. 20 million hopefully before end of February
Interesting the UK now hit 10 million vaccinations, but under 500,000 2nd dose (not a statistic thats being spoken about). Germany has only given the 1st dose to just over 2 million, but already 680,000 have the second dose. So despite starting 2 weeks after the UK and only having the Phizer vaccine, Germany has already overtaken the UK in numbers of fully vaccinated people. So while the UK is playing a numbers game, Germany is just getting on with it.
03 February 2021, 10:50 PM
#6475
If they are doing so well, why teddy throwing episode about AZ?
Germany is lagging, as is the rest of EU countries,. Most have suspended rollout for several weeks. It will take 10 weeks for EU to comeupto speed
Having a first vaccine will provide enough protection till second round. UK has 90,000,000 more vaccines coming from AZ
Germany is lagging, as is the rest of EU countries,. Most have suspended rollout for several weeks. It will take 10 weeks for EU to comeupto speed
Having a first vaccine will provide enough protection till second round. UK has 90,000,000 more vaccines coming from AZ
Last edited by andy97; 03 February 2021 at 10:55 PM.
04 February 2021, 08:00 AM
#6477
Its not irrelevant, however infection rates would drop more significantly. I suggest folk not living with foreigners and inviting their kin over for festive parties. The scenes at airports are of mainly younger people travelling-they should stop, and get have a sense of responsibility.
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04 February 2021, 09:21 AM
#6479
Scooby Senior
04 February 2021, 11:06 AM
#6480
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Interesting, it seems that only 54% of Germans want the vacine and even less French.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...tical-12207499
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...tical-12207499