Any easing of border controls that Blair brought in could be stopped at any time. The EU has never had a say in the UK border controls!

 

Don't waste your time, Man. He will be quoting the bendy banana nonsense soon

 

Successive EU supporting governments continued with it, cheap labour, soothing corporate lobbying. Except they forgot the folk outside the M25.

Chickens came home to roost on that 

 

So you do accept that we had full control over the borders but WE chose not to control them and we could have improved border control without having to leave the EU and your previous statement was just populist bullshat!

 

No, we could not stop EU people coming in. The UK didn't put the brakes on new EU entrants using free movement. The labour government at the time ignoring the warnings of mass immigration. They tried to suggest just a few would arrive. Literally millions poured in

 

No different to any other Northern European country


the turkish lie willing mopped up by gullile brexiters

 

Labour's well known 'Open Door' policy on immigration is one of the principal reasons they lost the Election

The Gov don't seem to be shouting about this either.... in 2019 1,800 Migrants arrived in small dinghys (everyone was appalled) - this year 1,880 arrived IN SEPT ALONE!! - it's all been kept very quiet...

From a side story on BBC news:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-54756575The migrants who drowned off the French coast this week were among thousands who have set off across the Channel in small boats this year - 8,000 had arrived in the UK by the end of September. A growing band of campaigners is doing its best to shine a light on the scale of the traffic, hoping to push the government into taking decisive action to stop it.

When Covid lockdowns put an end to his work as a wedding DJ, Jeremy Davis was free to launch himself into his other passion - trying to stop migrant boats heading from France to the shores of the UK.

He'd followed the news and been incensed at reports about the increasing number of boat crossings, with 1,880 migrants arriving in September alone - compared to 1,800 for the whole of 2019.

"I've been watching it every day and I've been fuming. I just got fed up with it. People were saying to me, 'Well, instead of screaming at the television, do something!'"

 

He sounds like a true saddo doesnt he ?

 

Scoop them all up, put them on a ship, once full( in a few weeks) travel to the Ascension Island. Process their fake torture allegations, send back to Africa/middle east/Asia.

It worked extremely well in Australia. Once migrants realised (rather quickly too) that they weren't getting a foot on Australian soil, they stopped trying.

 

Oh look , here's another one !

 

Can someone please explain to me how leaving the EU will prevent illegal migrants crossing the channel?

Surely if anything, the EU would now prefer they head to the UK where they will no longer be an EU problem! The EU solution to the migrant problem, just provide the little boats and point them in direction of paradise the Farage Garage!

 

They, the UK, will be screaming at the French "you have to stop them" without realising that, legally, the French do not need to do anything at all.

 

Some caring EU

 

Why should they care for a non EU country! They look after themselves first!

 

You are a joke. So the UK should look after the EU first from next year, yes?

 

These migrants pass through numerous safe EU countries, but do they care, house and assimilate them into their first country. No do they hell. The EU overarching governance is just a con. Each country just passes the buck until they reach our shores.

ECHR is deployed when they are pushed over the water boundary into UK waters

Hopefully not for too much longer.

 

So what you're saying, its that its ok that the UK doesn't want them, but its not OK that other EU countries don't want them?

What planet are you living on?

If someone applies for asylum in a country then that country is legally bound to process the asylum claim. The asylum seekers themselves are supposed to apply in the first 'safe' country in which they arrive, but the reality is, they don't apply until they reach the country where they want to go to, which is usually driven by having a relative or some other connection to that country. Pretty much every country which they pass through will receive a certain number of applicants. Its simply not a case that they ALL head straight for the UK, they don't, they are heading to every EU country. In the end, no country really wants to deal with them, so if you know that many will simply move on to the next country, you're not going to go round waving the forms at them and say "come and sign up here" are you? The UK actually ranks pretty low on the list of European countries taking in asylum seekers. Actually a large number of the people arriving in the UK have already registered in other EU countries and then subsequently move on. When processed by the UK, they are then sent back to the originating EU country. All that will stop come Jan 1, when the UK will no longer be able to send them back to other EU countries - every single one of them will be the UK's problem! Bet Farage didn't tell you that did he?

 

This is the problem with these people. They think Brexit will apply to non-EU asylum seekers. If anything it will make it easier for them to get to the UK and consequently stay there as the UK will not be able to send them back to the port of entry.

 

How many of the current 6000+ have been sent back?

They all came through safe EU countries

How many have been stopped from being sent back by frivolous ECHR cases?

 

6000 non-eu asylum cases , all come through eu countries ?

i dont think so !

 

They're coming on boats from France. Isn't France a safe EU country?

 

How does that figure compare to the numbers coming to France and Germany

 

Andy, I think your train of thought has stalled at the station.

I have no idea how many have stayed or been sent back. What I do know is this: a European country cannot force a person to stop and claim asylum. The UK was entitled to send them back to the country of first ingress into the EU. The fact they did not tells you two things: either the UK were stupid or they simply did not care. Either one is not the fault of the EU.

But do not worry, in the future the UK can force them back........just not to a EU country.

 

What makes me laugh is how these Brexidiots complain that the EU isn't doing something they want them to do one minute, then complain that the EU interferes too much the next minute!

 

Not at the moment as muslims keep shooting people or cutting their heads off.

 

Covid has started to undo the Blair open door immigration policy, and the conservatives failed to get a grip of. Way to go covid

 

And the Union British Isles .too

Biden / America and elsewhere isn’t going to like England for breaking international law


But that’s ok your sovereign isle will soon be expensively cut off from everywhere ( while asylum seekers will still come )

 

Generally the response to the covid epidemic has been a uniting force around the world ...btw

...unless youre tinpot nationlist desperate to explloit the situation for your own ends

 


The clause of the internal market bill, is only activated if the EU restricts free movement of goods from the UK mainland to NI. Then it is put to the vote in parliament to enact said clause.

Its a sleeper clause, if the EU play silly beggars

 

Andy, you are whipping a dead horse. Even the UKs own lawyers have advised the government not to implement it into legislation as it will go against a signed treaty/law. But I suppose you know better than than all the governmental and non-governmental lawyers.

Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis admitted in parliament it will break international law. The permanent secretary to the Government Legal Department, Sir Jonathan Jones (UK governments most senior lawyer) resigned as it breached the governments obligations under international law.